Israel

[Eternally Grateful]

How do you know they are still in sin? You don't. Do YOU ever sin?

Have they repented? Have they said blessed is he who came in the name of the lord?

come on man.

Were you ever "in sin"?

Ezekiel 36:24-29
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.

And He is!

25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Did God do that for YOU?

27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you.

Lev 26:

27 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols;and My soul shall abhor you.
31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your [h]sweet aromas.
32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you; your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.




40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.
43 The land also shall be left empty by them, and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them;
they will accept their guilt, because they despised My judgments and because their soul abhorred My statutes.
44 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them;
for I am the Lord their God.
45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God:
I am the Lord.’ ”

Have they repented yet?

 

[Jack]

Have they repented? Have they said blessed is he who came in the name of the lord?

come on man.

I don't know and neither do YOU!

Lev 26:

27 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols;and My soul shall abhor you.
31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your [h]sweet aromas.
32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you; your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.

And He did, but He brought them Home just as He said He would!

40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.
43 The land also shall be left empty by them, and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them;
they will accept their guilt, because they despised My judgments and because their soul abhorred My statutes.
44 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them;
for I am the Lord their God.
45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God:
I am the Lord.’ ”

Have they repented yet?

You really should be careful about judging Israel. That's VERY dangerous territory!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't know and neither do YOU!

Yes I do. Because they have not called out and recieved jesus yet.

And He did, but He brought them Home just as He said He would!

They are not home yet.

1. They do not live in peace
2. Jesus in nor rulling in Jerusalem
3. They are still in sin

You really should be careful about judging Israel. That's VERY dangerous territory!

I am not judging anyone. I am just stating what has to happen before God restor them in peace to their land. (see ez 37)

If you think they are restored now. You need to study more

 

[Jack]

Yes I do. Because they have not called out and recieved jesus yet.

You do not know that!!!

They are not home yet.

Israel was reborn in the Land of the Bible in 1948. You need to keep up. God FIGHTS for Israel, in the Land of the Bible!

1. They do not live in peace
2. Jesus in nor rulling in Jerusalem
3. They are still in sin

Do you know what the Bible says about all liars?

I am not judging anyone.

You are indeed! You're obsessed against Israel!

I am just stating what has to happen before God restor them in peace to their land. (see ez 37)

If you think they are restored now. You need to study more

You need to read what God said will happen to Israel wannabees.

Zechariah 14:1-12
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must [a]shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,

The 7th angel hasn't sounded, the time of the dead being judged hasn't taken place, these are future events unfulfilled

Revelation 1:19KJV
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Revelation 11:15-18KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You do not know that!!!

everyone knows that.

Israel was reborn in the Land of the Bible in 1948. You need to keep up. God FIGHTS for Israel, in the Land of the Bible!

Do you know what the Bible says about all liars?

Yes I do. so why are you lying?

You are indeed! You're obsessed against Israel!

No. I am not against Israel. I am just stating a fact. When they repent. God will bring them peace. are they in peace now? No. why? because they have not yet repented.

If you read the prophets. they will repent when Christ returns. and THEN he will restore them completely in their land..

You need to read what God said will happen to Israel wannabees.

Zechariah 14:1-12
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Yes. this happens right before isreal repents. in fact. it is the cause of her repentance. when they cry out to God and God returns and destroys her enemies.

before you go attacking people. you should study some

 

[Truth7t7]

They are not home yet.

1. They do not live in peace
2. Jesus in nor rulling in Jerusalem
3. They are still in sin

Jesus warned his followers against your teachings, he won't be found upon this earth ruling in Jerusalem as you claim, Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) will be ruling from Jerusalem, AKA (The Antichrist)

"READER BEWARE"!

"BELIEVE IT NOT" "GO NOT FORTH"!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus warned his followers against your teachings, he won't be found upon this earth ruling in Jerusalem as you claim, Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) will be ruling from Jerusalem, AKA (The Antichrist)

"READER BEWARE"!

"BELIEVE IT NOT" "GO NOT FORTH"!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

smh

You people make me laugh

I guess according to you I should not believe a thing God said..

Good luck with this

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Modern Judaism as a religion is anti-Christ.

Yet it seems many believers are drawn towards supporting the building of the third temple as if it will hasten the coming of Jesus.

I am guessing that when it is built, believers will not only support it but there will be those who will convert to Judaism, failing to discern the true spirit behind it.

Future temple priests (in regalia) who are descendants of Aaron, recently went to the temple mount and prayed blessing in the Stone which supported the Arc of the Covenant.

With the likely expulsion of an Arab presence on the mount during the present war, plans for the temple, which are well advanced, will be rapidly implemented.

Comments welcome.

Jesus is our King and His temple is now believers who are indwelled by Him.

- Maybe in the future there will be a massive repentance among Jews but this has not yet happened. Meantime to support unredeemed Zionism is a big mistake. Not that in ethical terms, Israel is the worst player in the present conflict, but we are seeing a proud unrepentant people with plenty of human wisdom, and God given talent, refusing Jesus as King and trying to recreate a covenant that God terminated at the Cross.

Please understand that I have a deep love for Jewish people and the return to the land is part of God's plan, but resurrecting Judaism with the sacrificial system which was a shadow, and still refusing the light is spiritually evil, deceptive and dangerous.

The Late Arthur Katz used to say that given these circumstances the Jews may need to be expelled from the land before finding repentance, may be so, but maybe the two witnesses will bring them to their senses and repentance will come without that needing to take place?

I am musing and have no authority to say how things will pan out, but I think these matters need to be discussed as the implications of misplaced loyalties are very severe if we end up supporting a false religion unwittingly.

Readers be warned.

Well your comments are indeed simple musings.

I await the 3rd temple merely because it is declared in Scripture. It does not mean that god will accept the Mosaic sacrificial system of offerings again, but it is merely reporting it will be rebuilt and operating when Antichrist enters the temple.

We must remember that Israel is still gods covenanted people and the land is their covenanted land.

God is bringing Jews back as prophesied to do the following:

Ezekiel 20:33-38

King James Version

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Zechariah 13:8-9

King James Version

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Jeremiah 31:33-37

King James Version

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33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Romans 11:25-27

King James Version

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Romans 10:19
But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Romans 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Zechariah 2:8
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

Jews are still being saved. god has not forgotten or revoked His covenant with all of Israel. He is working His plan according to His will.

Yes Judaism is the shadows and Jesus is the reality, but we are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem as the psalmist wrote and pray for the Jews- they still are gods only covenanted people.

We gentiles are merely the fuflilment of OT prophesy that God would call us out of the gentile peoples to be a people for His name (Jesus)

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


We saved gentiles in a very real sense are gift to Jesus from God the Father.

 

[quietthinker]

Sorry QT, but you are trying to put words in my mouth as if I have dismissed the authority of Jesus, Paul and John as well as other NT authors and insisted that the OT writers had a flawless paradigm.

What Amos was pointing to, was a time in our near future, when Israel will become a Kingdom of priests, a Holy Nation and God's possession among the nations such that the Israelites in our near future until the end of the seventh age will be a blessing to all of the peoples of the earth as they demonstrate and show that God wants all people to inhabit His fertile fields/soil.

The OT passage from Amos 9 which I paraphrased above is consistent with what is presented in the NT.

You need better arguments to support your apology rebuttal.

What do you want Hebrew priests for (intercessors) when Jesus is THE High Priest (intercessor) and God's people from all nations are deemed THE Holy Nation ie, God's possession?
Isn't this the message and the thrust of Paul

 

[quietthinker]

The 7th angel hasn't sounded, the time of the dead being judged hasn't taken place, these are future events unfulfilled

Revelation 1:19KJV
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Revelation 11:15-18KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

You've missed the input of Revelation 1:1....particularly the part highlighted. There, you have it on a plate!

 

[Jack]

everyone knows that.

Whopper alert!

Yes I do. so why are you lying?

Quote my "lie"!

No. I am not against Israel.

You should read your own posts!

I am just stating a fact. When they repent. God will bring them peace. are they in peace now? No. why? because they have not yet repented.

I think you should repent for attacking Israel.

If you read the prophets. they will repent when Christ returns. and THEN he will restore them completely in their land..

No Scripture? Of course you don't!

Yes. this happens right before isreal repents. in fact. it is the cause of her repentance. when they cry out to God and God returns and destroys her enemies.

Won't do the Israel identity thieves and good!

before you go attacking people. you should study some

You're attacking Israel and playing the victim! Just like Satan's Dems!

 

[Jay Ross]

What do you want Hebrew priests for (intercessors) when Jesus is THE High Priest (intercessor) and God's people from all nations are deemed THE Holy Nation ie, God's possession?
Isn't this the message and the thrust of Paul

Now you are talking rubbish and unbiblically.

 

[Brakelite]

nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

11 But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them.

Sounds like people to me...

Yes. Well you aren't alone. It's the most popular view. Used to believe it myself, as did the rest of my futurist contemporaries in the churches I assembled in.

 

[Truth7t7]

We must remember that Israel is still gods covenanted people and the land is their covenanted land.

God is bringing Jews back as prophesied to do the following:

God has no covenant with any Nation (Israel) based upon race and heritage as you suggest

If a person has .1% Jewish DNA is he part of this covenant people?

Big Smiles!

 

[Carl Emerson]

In the light of our dicussion - what are opinions on this ???

Midrash Hints that Trump Will Return Glory to Western World by Building Third Temple

Rabbi Yosef Berger revealed some amazing aspects of Donald Trump’s potential role in building the Third Temple. As the spiritual descendant of Rome, the nation that destroyed the Second Temple, Trump has the potential to do a tikkun, fixing the sin of Rome, and returning the glory to Western...

israel365news.com

 

[Truth7t7]

In the light of our dicussion - what are opinions on this ???

Midrash Hints that Trump Will Return Glory to Western World by Building Third Temple

Rabbi Yosef Berger revealed some amazing aspects of Donald Trump’s potential role in building the Third Temple. As the spiritual descendant of Rome, the nation that destroyed the Second Temple, Trump has the potential to do a tikkun, fixing the sin of Rome, and returning the glory to Western...

israel365news.com

Rehashed Jewish claims made in Trumps 1st Admin 6 years ago

The temple faithful will be glad to flatter Trump in the hopes he supports starting war again in Israel, because if Israel takes the temple mount where the Muslim 2nd holiest site is it will be immediate war from world Muslims, not just Hamas

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes. Well you aren't alone. It's the most popular view. Used to believe it myself, as did the rest of my futurist contemporaries in the churches I assembled in.

Then how do you interpret the verses ?

 

[Brakelite]

Then how do you interpret the verses ?

Thanks for asking. I don't have time at the moment to give a comprehensive answer, but it starts with using a different hermeneutic than the current popular and modern method of futurism devised by Jesuits in the counter Reformation which effectively hides 2000 years of prophetic history, in am attempt at absolving Rome of 1500 years of responsibility of warring against the truth. Revelation 11-18 is a written prophetic Testament to Roman Catholic apostasy, perfidy, and intolerance over that period.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Thanks for asking. I don't have time at the moment to give a comprehensive answer, but it starts with using a different hermeneutic than the current popular and modern method of futurism devised by Jesuits in the counter Reformation which effectively hides 2000 years of prophetic history, in am attempt at absolving Rome of 1500 years of responsibility of warring against the truth. Revelation 11-18 is a written prophetic Testament to Roman Catholic apostasy, perfidy, and intolerance over that period.

I think you will find such interpretation dates way further back than that...