Difficulty Reconciling

[GracePeace]

Reader..

Do you have a time, a date, a day, in your past,..... that you can clearly remember that you understood that you needed to be forgiven for all your sin, and you turned to Jesus and received Him as your Savior in your heart?
Do you have that MOMENT in your past?
So, that has to be there......or no peace, and no salvation.

Now, if you have that SALVATiON Moment..........and are born again, then the way you stay out of condemnation is very simple.

Paul teaches that "there is now (NOW) (right now) (today and everyday) . no condemnation to those who are (Christians) in Christ"

What does that mean......

It means something astounding, and wonderful, and eternal.
It literally means that What Jesus has completed for you, on The Cross, that is your "Gift of Salvation' from God... always keeps God in perfect peace with His Born again.

That means that God is always kept in perfect relationship, with His Born again Sons/Daughters, ONLY because of The Cross of Christ.

What does that do for you once you realize it, as the Revelation of "the Gift of Salvation""?

it takes the heavy weight of self effort to try to please God off of your BACK..... It takes all the guilt that would try to dominate your mind, out of your mind.

See, once you understand that God's Salvation, = always Keeps God in perfect relationship with you , in perfect peace with you, then you stop trying to EARN IT.......by behavior.
And that is the moment when you finally find God's GRACE as your JOY of Salvation that is your power.
That is the moment that you understand God's Grace.

1. This does not even come close to answering the OP.
2. Nevertheless, I am interested in anything that will get me God's love and peace... but why did God's love and peace go away? Doesn't Jesus say "He has never left Me because I always do what pleases Him"? I must have sinned.

 

[marks]

Yes, I'm aware of your belief that is based on a single line of Scripture; still, my question hasn't been answered : how do you reconcile that one line of Scripture with all the rest of the things written in John? For instance, did the leaders who believed, but loved sin, and, therefore, wouldn't confess Christ, have eternal life just because they believed?

True confession is followed by a changed life. If you don't have a changed life, there is no evidence of true faith.

I see many NT Scriptures addressed to all in the church, but with the understanding that not all are true Christians. We inherit eternal life in patiently doing good works, but those works only come if we are regenerate.

We are justified by faith in Christ, and so made acceptible to God. "And such were some of you," Paul wrote, then admonished them to not do those things that the wicked do.

Eternal life comes if we are regenerate in Christ. Faith opens the door to that happening, but faith by itself does not grant eternal life. Faith in Christ allows us to be reborn, and rebirth is into eternal life.

And we are warned to examine ourselves to see if we are truly in the faith. Your wording there is good, "who believed, but loved sin", that's the big question. What is in my heart? Do I do what I don't want to do, hating the sins I commit? Or do I do what I want, sin or not, without a care?

God knows the reality of our faith, and He knows what's in our hearts. We don't always know, and so God gives us warnings and such, by which we can know if we are deceiving ourselves or not. If we are deceiving ourselves, there is hope that the Holy Spirit will use these words to convict our hearts so we will turn to Him.

I feel like I'm coming up short, I hope this has helped some!

Much love!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I went to pray, God told me I was trying to save myself. I said, "Yeah, what's wrong with that? I have to do works to save myself." He said I was trying to repay Him for my sins, and it's just Jesus.

OK, so you are hearing voices now???

To avoid being deceived, you'd better go by what the Lord already said in His Word....

 

[GracePeace]

True confession is followed by a changed life. If you don't have a changed life, there is no evidence of true faith.

1. They didn't confess--that is the issue.
2. The text says they believed. Aren't you adding to and removing from the text when you deny they believed?

 

[GracePeace]

OK, so you are hearing voices now??? View attachment 52528

Isaiah 30:21You will hear a voice behind you saying, 'This is the way; walk in it'"

To avoid being deceived, you'd better go by what the Lord already said in His Word....

I am here trying to discuss the Scriptures so I don't get deceived. lol

 

[marks]

1. This does not even come close to answering the OP.
2. Nevertheless, I am interested in anything that will get my God's love and peace... but why did God's love and peace go away? Doesn't Jesus say "He has never left Me because I always do what pleases Him"? I must have sinned.

Remember that He is right there with you, and that He loves you. You are accepted in Jesus Christ, not in yourself, so it's about what Jesus did, not what you've done, or even what you may be doing right now.

People say God breaks off fellowship with us when we sin, but that would only be true if our reconciliation to God had a foundation in our behavior. We are reconciled to God in Christ Jesus, Who never changes, Who ever lives to intercede for us. So our reconciliation never changes.

Because you are reconciled to God in Christ, and not in yourself, your Heavenly Father is there with you now, loving you, there for you, to care for you, to comfort you, to guide you and direct you and to heal your heart.

Much love!

 

[marks]

1. They didn't confess--that is the issue.
2. The text says they believed. Aren't you adding to and removing from the text when you deny they believed?

The demons believe and shudder. There is believing that something is true, and there is believing in a commitment to that truth. The demons believed Jesus is the Son of God, the Holy One. But that kind of believing doesn't save.

What verse in particular are we talking about? Would you post the one?

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

Remember that He is right there with you, and that He loves you. You are accepted in Jesus Christ, not in yourself, so it's about what Jesus did, not what you've done, or even what you may be doing right now.

People say God breaks off fellowship with us when we sin, but that would only be true if our reconciliation to God had a foundation in our behavior. We are reconciled to God in Christ Jesus, Who never changes, Who ever lives to intercede for us. So our reconciliation never changes.

Because you are reconciled to God in Christ, and not in yourself, your Heavenly Father is there with you now, loving you, there for you, to care for you, to comfort you, to guide you and direct you and to heal your heart.

Much love!

But, then, howcome I didn't experience God's love and peace (though He always whispers "peace" to me, among other things) until I decided to focus on loving God rather than just "believing"?

 

[Behold]

1. This does not even come close to answering the OP.

Thank you for your opinion.
You are certainly welcome to it.

2. Nevertheless, I am interested in anything that will get me God's love and peace... but why did God's love and peace go away?

That is your mind.
You are confusing God's Grace with how your mind has decided to view it.

So, when you view it wrong, when you believe wrong.... you end up with the end result you are getting.

Peace with God, is eternal, because Its Jesus who established it for you...........between you and God.
So, when you try to DO THAT... or try to KEEP THAT of yourself.....you get a bad feeling, and you are confused by your Feelings.

The issue is wrong understanding, regarding WHY God has peace with YOU. always.

You are trying to be the Bridge, and only the Cross of Christ, is the Bridge.
You can't DO That.....you can only exit IN THAT Grace of God.

 

[GracePeace]

The demons believe and shudder.

Yeah, I think, in context, James's point in referencing the demons' "belief" is to point out that they have no plans (and perhaps cannot have plans) of actually changing the way they behave--James says "behave in a way that is in keeping with your faith", seemingly, the same as Romans 14:5, 23 say.

There is believing that something is true, and there is believing in a commitment to that truth. The demons believed Jesus is the Son of God, the Holy One. But that kind of believing doesn't save.

James says faith is incomplete, and is completed by works, and that this completed faith is what saves and justifies--and references father Abraham's works of faith justifying him.

What verse in particular are we talking about? Would you post the one?

The verse we refer to was posted in the OP

John 12:42Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God.

 

[GracePeace]

Thank you for your opinion.
You are certainly welcome to it.

When you supply me with your way of reconciling the passages I asked about reconciling, I will recognize you have answered (or, at least, have attempted to answer) the OP; until then, how can I "opine" you have answered?

That is your mind.
You are confusing God's Grace with how your mind has decided to view it.

So, when you view it wrong, you end up with the end result you are getting.

Peace with God, is eternal, because Its Jesus who established it for you...........between you and God.
So, when you try to DO THAT... or try to KEEP THAT of yourself.....you get a bad feeling, and you are confused by your Feelings.

The issue is wrong understanding, regarding WHY God has peace with YOU. always.

You are trying to be the Bridge, and only the Cross of Christ, is the Bridge.
You can't DO That.....you can only exit IN THAT.

Maybe that is true, because God always shows me "the Cross", or Jesus bleeding and dying on the Cross, and I'm confused by that.

 

[GracePeace]

Yeah, I think, in context, James's point in referencing the demons' "belief" is to point out that they have no plans (and perhaps cannot have plans) of actually changing the way they behave--James says "behave in a way that is in keeping with your faith", seemingly, the same as Romans 14:5, 23 say.

@marks In the context of John 12, this would be important, because the text says many of the leaders believed, but ("but" being a seeming negation of the conclusion that their "faith alone" would result in eternal life for them), because they loved sin, they would not confess their belief--ie, they loved sin, so they would not behave in keeping with their faith, and their failure to behave in keeping with the faith that they had negated any benefit of their faith.

 

[Behold]

When you supply me with your way of reconciling the passages I asked about reconciling, I will recognize you have (at least attempted to) answer the OP; until then, how can I "opine" you have answered?

You didnt ask me for that, before you accused me in your post.
Next time, just ask me.
And note that normally... i only respond to what i Quote..... from someone's Post.

Maybe that is true, because God always shows me "the Cross", or Jesus bleeding and dying on the Cross, and I'm confused by that.

Do you know what a SELF Saver ...is?

Its an unbeliever who believes that...""""in the end, God will judge all my good works vs all my bad works, i ever committed... and i believe that i will have more good then bad to show to God....., so God will let me go to heaven""""

Whereas the Believer who is confused... has a similar problem, and its called Legalism......Its really the same thing..

Paul describes this Christian as : "fallen from Grace"... and '"IN the Flesh".
That means they NOW believe that Jesus ONLY began their Salvation.... and now its their problem to finish it for themselves.

That is : Broken Faith.

This is .. "i only believe that Jesus saved me...... but i do not believe that Jesus keeps me saved.. because that is my JOB, until i die.".

See that "JOB"?

That is a Christian who has ripped Jesus off the Nails, and now they are hanging on The Cross of their own Self Righteousness as a : Self Saver.
A Legalist.
"fallen from Grace".

 

[Dan Clarkston]

God always shows me "the Cross", or Jesus bleeding and dying on the Cross, and I'm confused by that.

If you are confused by that... it's because you don't know His Word very well yet.

 

[GracePeace]

You didnt ask me for that,

The thread has an OP, and the understanding is that we are going to be on topic.
If you came in with a different understanding--that you would be off-topic--I guess I can't help that.
I had an expectation, and maybe you had a different expectation.

Do you know what a SELF Saver ...is?

Its an unbeliever who believes that...""""in the end, God will judge all my good works vs all my bad works, i ever committed... and i believe that i will have more good then bad to show to God....., so God will let me go to heaven""""

I have a topic I'm discussing, and I don't want to get off topic.

Paul describes this Christian as : "fallen from Grace"... and '"IN the Flesh".
That means they NOW believe that Jesus began their Salvation.... and now its their problem to finish it for themselves.

That is : Broken Faith.

This is .. "i only believe that Jesus saved me...... but i do not believe that Jesus keeps me saved.. because that is my JOB, until i die.".

See that "JOB"?

That is a Christian who has ripped Jesus off the Naisl, and now they are hanging on The Cross of their own Self Righteousness as a : Self Saver.
A Legalist.
"fallen from Grace".

Maybe that's true.

 

[GracePeace]

If you are confused by that... it's because you don't know His Word very well yet.

OK I'm going to go ahead and block you, because I've seen your posts elsewhere, and you only chime in in order to offend people and be abrasive.

 

[GracePeace]

Thank you for your opinion.
You are certainly welcome to it.

Here, you assert that my "opinion" that you have not answered the OP was an erroneous opinion; but, later, you admitted that I was right that you didn't answer the OP, because you weren't even trying to answer it. It seems like your practice is to try to put people down without thinking about what you're saying.

And note that normally... i only respond to what i Quote..... from someone's Post.

 

[Behold]

The thread has an OP, and the understanding is that we are going to be on topic.

I just posted a Thread on the topic we are discussing
A member has already changed the topic., first post., and posted a lot of Videos also.

So, This Thread's Op posted that He's having difficultly reconciling Having Eternal life, as being completely faith based.

So, that is an "inner confusion" that is based on not understanding that Eternal Life is Jesus Himself, and to have faith in Jesus is to have HIM< in you, who is eternal life.

 

[GracePeace]

I just posted a Thread on the topic we are discussing
A member has already changed the topic., first post., and posted a lot of Videos also.

So, This Thread's Op posted that He's having difficultly reconciling Having Eternal life, as being completely faith based.

So, that is an "inner confusion" that is based on not understanding that Eternal Life is Jesus Himself, and to have faith in Jesus is to have HIM< in you, who is eternal life.

I was asking how you all reconcile the verses shared.

 

[GracePeace]

I just posted a Thread on the topic we are discussing
A member has already changed the topic., first post., and posted a lot of Videos also.

So, This Thread's Op posted that He's having difficultly reconciling Having Eternal life, as being completely faith based.

So, that is an "inner confusion" that is based on not understanding that Eternal Life is Jesus Himself, and to have faith in Jesus is to have HIM< in you, who is eternal life.

I guess the inference that I was looking for how you all reconciled the passages I was having difficulty reconciling wasn't enough, so I amended the OP to explicitly ask how you all reconcile the passages.

Thank you for helping me make the discussion a smoother discussion.