Counting to Three

[RedFan]

What I am saying:

"Let every man be a liar so God can be true"

People have poked and poked at this for years.
WHY?
The length Jesus stayed "dead" is more than long enough. He was dead. The spear in his side where his blood had coagulated to the point of separating out from the plasma is more than sufficient.

Then Jesus's body was placed in a tomb, then sealed, and had guards placed over his body. But Jesus, being God, is more than just a body...capable of being in more than one place at one time and too immeasurable to measure.

That's what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is:

He wasn't in the tomb ANY PART OF A THIRD NIGHT. I can see how he was in the tomb for part of three DAYS (a sliver of Friday just before sunset, all day Saturday, and a sliver of Sunday just after sunrise). But THREE NIGHTS? I can't see a way to squeeze three nights into the 36 - 38 hours he was in the tomb.

That's what I'm saying.

 

[Aunty Jane]

What I'm saying is:

He wasn't in the tomb ANY PART OF A THIRD NIGHT. I can see how he was in the tomb for part of three DAYS (a sliver of Friday just before sunset, all day Saturday, and a sliver of Sunday just after sunrise). But THREE NIGHTS? I can't see a way to squeeze three nights into the 36 - 38 hours he was in the tomb.

That's what I'm saying.

This means that Jesus spent part of the Thursday in the tomb,

No. He was still on the cross on Friday afternoon.

The evening of the previous night (Friday began at sundown on Thursday for Jews, because they had a different way of counting a “day”…sunset to sunset) so Thursday night to us is counted as part of Friday. Their day consisted of any part of that day.…just like we count the night as part of our day.…12 midnight to 12 midnight the next day. The fact that Jesus mentioned the nights is inconsequential.

 

[JohnDB]

What I'm saying is:

He wasn't in the tomb ANY PART OF A THIRD NIGHT. I can see how he was in the tomb for part of three DAYS (a sliver of Friday just before sunset, all day Saturday, and a sliver of Sunday just after sunrise). But THREE NIGHTS? I can't see a way to squeeze three nights into the 36 - 38 hours he was in the tomb.

That's what I'm saying.

Right....that's prima fascia. The MOST OBVIOUS THING. But it does not negate a word I said.
Jesus also said for the Apostles to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Both were real meat and drink....according to Jesus.
Was Jesus promoting cannibalism?

 

[Brakelite]

I think you need to first ascertain for certainty an answer to...what is meant by the "heart of the earth".

 

[Jay Ross]

No. He was still on the cross on Friday afternoon.

So, you are claiming that Jesus died during the day of the Passover. An interesting perspective since the Jews would not have walked that far because it was a Sabbath Day for them.

 

[Fred J]

In Jerusalem a day of 24 hours, is from 'sunset' to 'sunset', and not like ours, 'midnight' to 'midnight'.

In Jerusalem, Jesus was not in the heart of the earth by afternoon, but rather towards evening and reaching sunset.

After 'sunset' it's a whole new date and today in Jerusalem, and the prophecy clock starts for Jesus in the heart of the earth.

It doesn't matter His clock starts and end by, 3 nights and 3 days, yet can also be counted as, 3 days and 3 nights, equally both completes the cycle.

Even though we may claim, Jesus was buried in the afternoon or before 'sunset', yet it doesn't complete a day's cycle of 12 hours.

And claim He was buried on Friday afternoon 3 pm and risen on Sunday 'sunrise' just after 6 am, doesn't add up.

It does not complete the cycle of 3 days of 12 hours per day and 3 nights of 12 hours per night?

When supposedly to complete the cycle, He should have risen by Sunday afternoon 3 pm, and not at 'sunrise'.

The weekly Sabbath in Jerusalem ends by Saturday 'sunset', and Sunday is the first day of the week after 'sunset'.

Apparently, no normal and right thinking women of that day would visit a grave yard at 'night'.

Hence, they did at 'sunrise' rather, when it was day, and bright, and safe, and moreover found the tomb already empty.

 

[Fred J]

Remember in Israel there's the 'yearly' Sabbath and the 'weekly' Sabbath.

Jesus was buried by 'sunset', before the Thursday 'night' begins for the observation of the 'yearly' Sabbath.

He risen after Saturday Sabbath 'sunset', and by then turns 'night', and probably He appeared to some of His followers.

Probably even before Mary Magdalene discover the Lord after 'sunrise' and is 'day' near the tomb.

Apparently the scripture does not document every account there is and to detailed explanation given.

But by only wisdom given us, we're able to add the pieces together reasonably.

Yet it is not necessary that everyone should come to believe.

For now there's faith, hope and love, but the greatest is love.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred J]

So, how do we know that "three days and three nights" should be interpreted literally?

Think about it.

'Sunset' to 'sunset', is a night and day cycle for Jerusalem, and besides ours, 'day' and 'night'.

If we were to say, by Friday 'sunset' He's already in the heart of the earth.

Then he will rise on the first day of the week Sunday at 'sunset', completing 3 'nights' and 3 'days'.

So Thursday at 'sunset' He's already in the heart of the earth, and Friday 'sunset' begins the yearly Sabbath for Jerusalem.

And, 3 'nights' and 3 'days' cycle finishes on Saturday 'sunset', hence at 'sunrise' the tomb was already empty, fits the story.

What was He doing during 6pm 'sunset' to 6am 'sunrise', to fit the story, probably He appeared to His followers before to Mary Magdalene.

This is what i believe happened and am not forcing this on others.

Because being a 'doer' and 'abider' to the teaching of Christ is the will of GOD rather.

In the name of Jesus, shalom

 

[Lambano]

I think you need to first ascertain for certainty an answer to...what is meant by the "heart of the earth".

Thank you. I was hoping someone would point that out.

 

[Lambano]

Yup. Pretty sure everybody here realizes this.

Yep. And since we're in the realm of metaphorical language, is it necessary to interpret "three days and three nights" literally?

(Especially when interpreting "in the heart of the earth" figuratively.)

 

[RedFan]

Yep. And since we're in the realm of metaphorical language, is it necessary to interpret "three days and three nights" literally?

(Especially when interpreting "in the heart of the earth" figuratively.)

I don't see how ascertaining the "Heart of the earth" reference helps us get our arms around the 3+3 duration.

 

[Brakelite]

I don't see how ascertaining the "Heart of the earth" reference helps us get our arms around the 3+3 duration.

Because nowhere in scripture is there a hint that "heart of the earth", or
Jonah's fishing trip, meant death. I mean it could, but there's no supportive evidence to suggest it. Thus far it's a simply an assumption.

 

[Brakelite]

I don't see how ascertaining the "Heart of the earth" reference helps us get our arms around the 3+3 duration.

Suggestion: throughout His ministry, even from the wedding at Cana, Jesus repeatedly asserted that His time was "not yet come". Yet at the same time, warned that His time would come. And that time He spoke of wasn't only about literal death. He said,
“18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. ”
Matthew 20:18-19 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

From the time Jesus entered Jerusalem for the last time, in fulfilment of Zechariah 9:9, to the time of His resurrection, was 3 nights and 3 days. That was His "time" of self sacrifice. The time He submitted Himself to the will of others. The powers of darkness and to Satan's kingdom of darkness... the evil heart of this world. Just a suggestion mind, not a doctrine.

 

[Lambano]

I don't see how ascertaining the "Heart of the earth" reference helps us get our arms around the 3+3 duration.

Why do we need to take "3+3" literally when we're not taking "heart of the earth" literally? Does the earth literally have a heart?

"Have a heart!"
"Thanks, but I think I'll have a drumstick instead."