Why I'm NOT a Christian. - Or so they say...

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

St. SteVen

Well-Known Member
Feb 5, 2023
13,927
5,682
113
69
Minneapolis
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
That tree had only one use; it symbolized God’s right to set the standards for man as to what is “good” (or approved) by God
and what is “bad”(or condemned) by God. It was there only to test man's respect for his Creator’s position as Sovereign.
Why do you suppose it was called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

[
 

Jack

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
11,403
4,675
113
Midwest
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
St. SteVen said:

wrong idea about God.

Not you specifically.
"... humans that have given us the wrong idea about God."

The concern is with erroneous claims about God.

The conversation starts back on page 7.

[
MOST will learn the hard way in Hell FOREVER:

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 

St. SteVen

Well-Known Member
Feb 5, 2023
13,927
5,682
113
69
Minneapolis
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
MOST will learn the hard way in Hell FOREVER:

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
You should be VERY afraid.

[
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheHC

Jack

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
11,403
4,675
113
Midwest
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
You should be VERY afraid.

[
I am! I highly recommend it before it's too late. Forever is a long time to burn in Hell with the Devil and the worst beings who ever lived!

I Cor 6 Gays will burn in Hell forever!
 

ThePuffyBlob

Well-Known Member
Dec 16, 2019
1,265
497
83
in a secret chamber and needed help
Faith
Christian
Country
Philippines
You're now referring to Paul who was taught by Jesus. Better repent!
Even if you ask God, He will tell you, "No, you are wrong." What I am really referring to is that part of you and that part of the mentality, Well, you see, I just shared with you that thing that you cannot see, my heart, when I said those things.

And now, should I also say that you should be the one to repent, since you measured and judged me.

Many of my countrymen have this kind of mentality online. When you correct them, instead of being thankful, they will curse you right after praising God.
You're playing word games.
You see it that way because you are offended, right? I told you earlier that I was sharing my opinion on the matter you mentioned, and yet you're accusing me of playing word games? Oh, come on! Why don't you calm down first so you can think clearly?
Bible believers burn in Hell? LOL!!!
Your judgment seems to have been clouded by what? Anger? You must have been offended then, as you fail to see that I am referring to the shared verse this time. I am not referring to you or any part of you.
 

Jack

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
11,403
4,675
113
Midwest
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Even if you ask God, He will tell you, "No, you are wrong." What I am really referring to is that part of you and that part of the mentality, Well, you see, I just shared with you that thing that you cannot see, my heart, when I said those things.
The Bible is God's Word. I stick with Him.
And now, should I also say that you should be the one to repent, since you measured and judged me.
You're not gay?
Many of my countrymen have this kind of mentality online. When you correct them, instead of being thankful, they will curse you right after praising God.

You see it that way because you are offended, right? I told you earlier that I was sharing my opinion on the matter you mentioned, and yet you're accusing me of playing word games? Oh, come on! Why don't you calm down first so you can think clearly?

Your judgment seems to have been clouded by what? Anger? You must have been offended then, as you fail to see that I am referring to the shared verse this time. I am not referring to you or any part of you.
I Cor 6 Gays will burn in Hell FOREVER!
 

TheHC

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2021
524
521
93
Columbus
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Why do you suppose it was called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

[
Good question!

It seems to have been called that, because it represented God’s right to determine what was “good” and what was “bad (evil).”

God is the only one who has the right to determine those standards of good & bad. No one else.

So, symbolically, the fruit ‘belonged’ to Him…. No one else.
 
  • Like
Reactions: St. SteVen

St. SteVen

Well-Known Member
Feb 5, 2023
13,927
5,682
113
69
Minneapolis
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
be very careful with that word 'bind'....It is use in witchcraft,
Perhaps as a counterfeit. They stole it from us.
  • Matthew 16:19
    I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven,
    and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

  • Matthew 18:18
    “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven,
    and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
[
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nancy and amadeus

St. SteVen

Well-Known Member
Feb 5, 2023
13,927
5,682
113
69
Minneapolis
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
It seems to have been called that, because it represented God’s right to determine what was “good” and what was “bad (evil).”

God is the only one who has the right to determine those standards of good & bad. No one else.

So, symbolically, the fruit ‘belonged’ to Him…. No one else.
Not everything that the serpent said was a lie.
Look at what happened. It was a real eye-opener. - LOL

Genesis 3:4-7 NIV
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.
5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

[
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nancy

RedFan

Well-Known Member
May 15, 2022
2,871
1,257
113
70
New Hampshire
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Not everything that the serpent said was a lie.
Look at what happened. It was a real eye-opener. - LOL

Genesis 3:4-7 NIV
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.
5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

[
It has always struck me that Adam and Eve's not "knowing good and evil" before taking those fateful bites would be a defense to guilt in a court of law. Was the serpent right about that too?
 
  • Like
Reactions: St. SteVen

St. SteVen

Well-Known Member
Feb 5, 2023
13,927
5,682
113
69
Minneapolis
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
It has always struck me that Adam and Eve's not "knowing good and evil" before taking those fateful bites would be a defense to guilt in a court of law. Was the serpent right about that too?
Interesting point.
Their actions broke a law (commandment) known to them. Therefore they were guilty by acting in full knowledge of the law. IMHO

On the other hand, I don't think they had any way of really understanding the consequences. Whether stated, or hidden.
What was death to them? And why were the full list of consequences hidden from them?

Was the threat of death any indication that they would be expelled from the garden?
Did it indicate that they would battle thistle and thorn to raise crops by the sweat of their brow?
Or the pain of childbirth? Or the immediate consequence of access to their minds by the enemy of our souls.

[
 
Last edited:

Carl Emerson

Well-Known Member
Apr 6, 2022
1,351
1,048
113
79
Auckland
Faith
Christian
Country
New Zealand
Believer = no questions = heaven

James 3:16-18

16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18 And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

The conclusion then is that presenting 'truth' without allowing for discussion is coming from a wrong spirit and is not the 'wisdom from above'
 
  • Like
Reactions: St. SteVen

Skovand

Active Member
Jul 13, 2022
580
205
43
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I also don’t typically use the word Christian but rather say I am a disciple of the teachings of Christ. Christian nowadays definitely carries a lot of baggage with it. Especially in America where so many associates it with the hate of conservatism, young earth creationism and general anti science and conspiracy theories and I don’t want to be associated with that at all.
 
  • Like
Reactions: St. SteVen

Skovand

Active Member
Jul 13, 2022
580
205
43
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
You are misunderstanding the meaning of baggage. It’s ok, but you are not understanding the contexts of what was written. So the baggage is not the burden that comes with being a light to this dark world, being hated by the hateful. It’s the baggage of the injustices, the racism, the transphobia, the homophobia, the classism, the slavery, the KKK and so many other evil forms of conservatism that tries to latch into the term Christian. When I say baggage I mean people hearing the world Christian and thinking of
The Republican party instead of the body of Christ.

Here another way to out it.

When many black Americans hear Christian they often are think of European Americans with slaves being beaten and chained on ships. They think of the slave Bible and of the segregationist of men bombing churches and white hats gleaming in the bright light of crosses on fire.

When many indigenous people hear Christian they think of men spreading blankets with diseases, of land being stolen, treaties being broken and schoolyard graveyards filled with their kids.

When LGBT teens think of Christian they think of being called bigoted names, of being called unnatural or fake. They think of conversion camps and of pastors saying their dead friends are in hell. They think of being allowed to serve in the army, die for America , die for your rights but not able to get married to their partner and served openly, at least until “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” was appealed.

When vegans think of christian they often think of being told animals don’t matter, god put animals here for us to eat.

When immigrants think of Christian they often think of people on stolen land, who stole our land, telling us to get out, taking away our kids, calling us trash.

When liberals think of Christian they often think of those who fight tooth and nail to take away the consensual freedom and happiness of others.

When Palestinians think of Christians they think of support for bombs and bullets to rain down on them.

When scientists think of Christian they think of people rejecting science in favor of bad theology.

When those with compromised immune systems think of Christian they often think of anti vaxxers and people who care more about BBQs than about the elderly or those with aids.

So I want to avoid all that baggage. When I’m thought of as a disciple of Christ , a servant to the incarnation of a divine being of justice and love who said “ love your neighbors, don’t horde your wealth, don’t praise yourself for doing good, stand up for those suffering. Cloth the naked, feed the hungry and give drink to the thirsty. Look after orphans and widows.
 
Last edited:

talons

Well-Known Member
Oct 18, 2024
558
911
93
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
It’s the baggage of the injustices, the racism, the transphobia, the homophobia, the classism, the slavery, the KKK and so many other evil forms of conservatism that tries to latch into the term Christian. When I say baggage I mean people hearing the world Christian and thinking of
The Republican party instead of the body of Christ.
I doubt you will escape this kind of thinking , at least from some people . Hard to control what people think one on one .
The Trump/Vance bumper sticker won't get you into heaven .
I am a disciple of the teachings of Christ.
Ask the people you tell "I am a disciple of the teachings of Christ." what does that mean to you ?

I believe most people will think " Why didn't you just say you are Christian ? "