Do non-Christians go to Hell after death?

[face2face]

No, I believe hell is the consequence of our sin. For example, if you rob a bank, you go to prison. I don't think you'd enjoy being in prison. (And so the Lord cautioned us not to steal.)

No Bob,

What is a consequence of sin?

6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord Ro 6:23.

Hell is one of the many words used of the grave and death.

@St. SteVen, the Word Steven, the Word - not Bob but the Word

F2F

p.s the irony is Bod is right in the red text however in his mind he is wrong - what a paradox

 

[Windmill Charge]

lets see what john once wrote .
He who hears us IS OF GOD and he who hears us not is NOT of GOD .
paul once said No man can call HIM LORD but BY THE SPIRIT
and that no man BY THE SPIRIT would call him accursed . YET EVERY OTHER RELIGION does so .
In fact HOW is GOD , THE TRUTH even in one if one calls GOD A LIAR .
He who believes not the testimony that GOD gave of HIS SON , calls GOD A LIAR .
WHO is a liar , but he who denies JESUS is the Christ , he is anti christ . said the same john .

Backing up my posts, God does Not live in non Christians.

 

[GISMYS_7]

ALL people that choose to reject Jesus and the salvation He offers to all that will choose to believe are choosing hell ===all their choice!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Given that unborn babies are conceived through irresponsible circumstances, would a loving and just God condemn these innocent unborn babies to eternal punishment simply because they aren't Christian?

Babies don't go to Hell anyways.

Babies are just as mortal as their parents…..mortal means that they can die….and in the beginning it meant living forever on earth in mortal flesh, God provided the means for them to do so….all they had to do was obey his command concerning the TKGE. “The tree of life” was right there in the garden with no prohibition attached…UNTIL…they disobeyed and brought sin into the world. Only then was the way to the tree of life placed off limits. (Gen 3:22-24)

Since “hell” is “hades” and equivalent to “sheol” in Hebrew, hades is simply “the grave”….all humans who die, babies included, go there to await their promised resurrection. “The wages sin pays is death”….we are all born with sin and death is result. Jesus came to undo what the devil did….he took the human race away from God and by lying, and he has lied to them ever since.

 

[LoveYeshua]

In this scenario I'm discussing a person who died having NOT believed in Jesus.

John 3:18 says that an unbelieving person is condemned.

So, my question remains, did the woman in my example go to Hell?

I am late in the thread but I know God is just, and knows the heart, If the woman was a "good and loving " person but had not the opportunity to know Jesus she would not go to hell, it would be unjust if she did.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Babies are just as mortal as their parents…..mortal means that they can die….and in the beginning it meant living forever on earth in mortal flesh, God provided the means for them to do so….all they had to do was obey his command concerning the TKGE. “The tree of life” was right there in the garden with no prohibition attached…UNTIL…they disobeyed and brought sin into the world. Only then was the way to the tree of life placed off limits. (Gen 3:22-24)

Since “hell” is “hades” and equivalent to “sheol” in Hebrew, hades is simply “the grave”….all humans who die, babies included, go there to await their promised resurrection. “The wages sin pays is death”….we are all born with sin and death is result. Jesus came to undo what the devil did….he took the human race away from God and by lying, and he has lied to them ever since.

Oh, you are saying that hell or Hades is not the eternal sea of flame? Well, you are right. Since you said everyone goes to hell when they die, is it the scene where the rich man and the poor man end up? But there are two sides: one is sorrow, and the other is happiness. There is a cliff between them. So that no one can go to the other side. Actually, it is a rhetorical question. I am just suggesting that since unborn babies do not go to hell, they will not experience the same fate as those fallen angels. By saying these things, I am only implying that God—the God of justice, the God of love—is the only one who can decide where He will put you. God is the only one who can see your heart. He knows what you have been through. @NotTheRock Some say that at some point in one's life, God will lead you to the right path, and if you ignore that, you will not be saved. Well, I guess they are right. I think she also had her moment. She heard the right gospel but hardened her heart. It's just a scenario I am considering—just a guess. Like I said, God sees the heart, but man can only see the external and can only make guesses about what an individual hadexperienced. Let us take, for example, that we do not know what happened before she died. What if she had already accepted Christ Jesus in her heart but was not seen as such in her actions? Perhaps she knew she might end up dead because her family might kill her or something like that. In this case, I am no longer talking just about her, but about everyone.

 

[TheHC]

Aside from John 3:18 (which I previously shared), can you share any additional, supporting, scriptures of unbelievers being sent to Hell after death?

“Unbelievers”?

According to Ecclesiastes 9:10, everyone (who reads that verse, hence it applies to everyone) goes to Hell (Sheol in Hebrew, Hades in Greek) at their death.

Even Jacob said he was going there! He thought Joseph was already there! Genesis 37:35…
“35And all his children being gathered together to comfort their father in his sorrow, he would not receive comfort, but said: I will go down to my son into hell, mourning. And whilst he continued weeping,”

Hell is not what Christendom has portrayed it to be!
Such a tenet, that God torments unbelievers & the rebellious, was used to control the masses. Ultimately though, this heinous teaching has backfired; it has simply turned people away from our Creator, exactly what the Devil wanted. And overall, Christendom’s laity class is dwindling.

Hell is only the Grave, aka the common grave of mankind, to which everyone goes at their death. The result of Adamic sin (imperfection inherited from Adam - Romans 5:12)

 

[NotTheRock]

“Unbelievers”?

According to Ecclesiastes 9:10, everyone (who reads that verse, hence it applies to everyone) goes to Hell (Sheol in Hebrew, Hades in Greek) at their death.

Even Jacob said he was going there! He thought Joseph was already there! Genesis 37:35…
“35And all his children being gathered together to comfort their father in his sorrow, he would not receive comfort, but said: I will go down to my son into hell, mourning. And whilst he continued weeping,”

Hell is not what Christendom has portrayed it to be!
Such a tenet, that God torments unbelievers & the rebellious, was used to control the masses. Ultimately though, this heinous teaching has backfired; it has simply turned people away from our Creator, exactly what the Devil wanted. And overall, Christendom’s laity class is dwindling.

Hell is only the Grave, aka the common grave of mankind, to which everyone goes at their death. The result of Adamic sin (imperfection inherited from Adam - Romans 5:12)

 

[Aunty Jane]

Oh, you are saying that hell or Hades is not the eternal sea of flame? Well, you are right. Since you said everyone goes to hell when they die, is it the scene where the rich man and the poor man end up? But there are two sides: one is sorrow, and the other is happiness. There is a cliff between them. So that no one can go to the other side.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is just that. Taking it literally makes the whole scenario rather ridiculous.
It is an illustration that demonstrates God shifting his favor from the corrupt Jewish leadership and giving it to the “lost sheep” to whom Jesus was sent. These spiritually impoverished “beggars” welcomed Jesus as Messiah, but the Jewish leaders rejected him. The “bosom of Abraham” (a position of favor with God) was taken away from the rich man and given to the beggar.

Their deaths illustrated a change in their status, not from the human perspective, but from God’s perspective. The rich man was suffering the heat of God’s displeasure because of the fact that they were lying to the the people about Jesus, refuting his teachings and plotting his murder. Jesus castigated them at every opportunity and exposed them as the corrupt hypocrites that they were. No wonder they were in anguish, wanting to do away with him as their forefathers had done away with the prophets sent to them all through their history! (Matt 23:37)

Jesus had powerful works to back up his claims, but the Pharisees had nothing but satanic lies to offer the people. And as it was prophesied, only a “remnant” of the Jewish nation accepted Jesus as the son of God….their promised Messiah, whom the Father sent to redeem them. They got to “know” Jesus and in doing so became more truthfully acquainted with his God and Father….Yahweh. (John 17:3)

The beggar was now safe from the fate of the rich man whom Jesus had relegated to “Gehenna”. (Matt 23:33)
Gehenna is not “hell“…..it is eternal separation from God in a death from which no resurrection is possible.
It is a place where the incorrigibly wicked will go…..and the “goats” whom Jesus will judge at the end of this current world order, (Matt 25:41).…and a place reserved for the devil and his cronies when the final test of redeemed mankind takes place at the end of the thousand year reign of God’s Kingdom. (Rev 20:1-3, 10)
Death and hades are also cast into this “lake of fire”….so as these are not material things, the lake of fire is not literal either, but represents eternal destruction of all that is cast there.

Taken literally, it means that heaven and hell are in viewing and speaking distance to one another….imagine how soothing it would be to hear the cries of anguish of the wicked for all eternity for those in heaven!……and to watch their suffering.

And that a drop of water on a man’s finger can cool another’s tongue in a blazing fire.

Actually, it is a rhetorical question. I am just suggesting that since unborn babies do not go to hell, they will not experience the same fate as those fallen angels. By saying these things, I am only implying that God—the God of justice, the God of love—is the only one who can decide where He will put you. God is the only one who can see your heart. He knows what you have been through.

Depending on the period of gestation, unborn or stillborn babies are consigned to a grave these days, but in times past they were not considered “souls” unless they breathed, so their bodies were simply disposed of.
Mothers were left grieving the loss of their child without the closure of a funeral, so in recognizing the loss and having an appropriate way to say good bye, parents these days can be comforted by the fact that other share their grief.
Life begins at the miracle of conception.

Since a “soul” is a living creature, these unborn babies are having oxygen and nutrients pumped into their bloodstream through the mother’s placenta. In the Bible if a pregnant woman was accidentally involved in a scuffle between two men and was injured to the point of losing the baby, the one who caused the death of the unborn child was given the death penalty for murder. (Exodus 21:22-23) That is how God views the unborn…as precious as any other life/soul.

All souls who die, go to Sheol/hades…..a place of peace and rest awaiting Jesus’ call to come back to life. (John 5:28-29)

 

[NotTheRock]

All souls who die, go to Sheol/hades…..a place of peace and rest awaiting Jesus’ call to come back to life. (John 5:28-29)

I thought the faithful in Christ immediately go to him in Heaven. Didn't Jesus promise such a fate for the faithful?

 

[TheHC]

I thought the faithful in Christ immediately go to him in Heaven. Didn't Jesus promise such a fate for the faithful?

What did Paul say at 1 Corinthians 15:6, about those of the “more than 500” who had died? They had “fallen asleep in death.”

 

[Aunty Jane]

I thought the faithful in Christ immediately go to him in Heaven. Didn't Jesus promise such a fate for the faithful?

Did Jesus go immediately to heaven? NO! He was in his tomb (Sheol) waiting for his Father to resurrect him…he hadn’t gone anywhere. And he remained on earth for 40 days before returning to heaven.

The Jewish belief was not in an immortal soul…the soul would sleep in death until the resurrection…..immortality of the soul was introduced from pagan Greek origins. There are no immortal souls. Those in Sheol are not conscious of anything. (Eccl 9:5,6,10; Psalm 115:17)

 

[Aunty Jane]

I thought the faithful in Christ immediately go to him in Heaven. Didn't Jesus promise such a fate for the faithful?

Many refer to the words Jesus spoke to the thief hung alongside of him.....perhaps this is what you are referring to?

Luke 23:39-43....
“One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” And He said to him, “Truly I say to you today, you shall be with Me in Paradise.” (NASB)

As you may or may not know, there was no punctuation in Koine Greek, so the commas inserted are put there by the English translators. If you remove the comma in Jesus’ response to this man’s request to be remembered, from after the word “you” to after the word “today”....it changes the whole meaning of what Jesus said, especially when you examine the details of the situation.....

So what are the details? Was this man a follower of Christ? Or did he have a last minute change of heart before justice was carried out?

Did Jesus promise the man that he would be with him heaven? Or did he promise him paradise?

When was Jesus to “come in his kingdom”? Was it immediately that day? Or did Jesus tell his apostles to wait in Jerusalem for the promised holy spirit to direct them further?

What was the kingdom that the thief referred to? Didn’t Jesus teach his disciples to pray for God’s Kingdom to “come”, so that God’s will could be “done on earth as it is in heaven”? Did the Kingdom come that day? Has God’s will been “done on earth as it is in heaven” since then? Or are we still waiting for that to take place at Jesus’ return?

At their last Passover with him, Jesus also told his faithful ones....
“You are those who have stood by Me in My trials; and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” (NASB)

Those promised places in his Kingdom were the ones who had proven their faith by the endurance of trials along with their Master. Satan would see to it that their faith was tested to the limit and each one would have to prove faithful to the death in order to receive the crown of life that awaited his “chosen ones”. (Rev 2:10; Rev 20:6)

A last minute change of heart would not earn this man a place in heaven....so what was Jesus promising him? Since Jesus did not ascend to heaven for 40 days after his resurrection, he could not promise him that he would be with him “that day” in heaven.....what Jesus did promise the man, was a place in his kingdom when the earth was under the control of his heavenly government.....he would be resurrected along with the faithful, and others “who committed evil” as part of the kingdom arrangement to bring all the dead in Sheol back to life. The man will get to prove his faith then, during a period of judgment.

Jesus said....
“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil to a resurrection of judgment. For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is Son of Man.” (John 5:26-29 NASB)

Jesus said “an hour was coming”, not that the time for this resurrection had already arrived. No one went to heaven before Jesus, (John 3:13) so all the dead slept in death (in Sheol) and the majority of them are still awaiting their restoration back to life....to the kind of life we were meant to live at the beginning.
Only the elect (those “dead in Christ”) were to “rise first”. (1 Thess 4:13-17)

So there is much lack of genuine Bible education in Christendom, who are stuck with trying to perpetuate their false teachings in the light of the truth that is now shining in a dark world. As the day for Christ’s judgment approaches, the light on the path of true believers grows brighter. (Prov 4:18)
Those left behind in the darkness cannot see it. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

 

[NotTheRock]

Many refer to the words Jesus spoke to the thief hung alongside of him.....perhaps this is what you are referring to?

Luke 23:39-43....
“One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” And He said to him, “Truly I say to you today, you shall be with Me in Paradise.” (NASB)

As you may or may not know, there was no punctuation in Koine Greek, so the commas inserted are put there by the English translators. If you remove the comma in Jesus’ response to this man’s request to be remembered, from after the word “you” to after the word “today”....it changes the whole meaning of what Jesus said, especially when you examine the details of the situation.....

So what are the details? Was this man a follower of Christ? Or did he have a last minute change of heart before justice was carried out?

Did Jesus promise the man that he would be with him heaven? Or did he promise him paradise?

When was Jesus to “come in his kingdom”? Was it immediately that day? Or did Jesus tell his apostles to wait in Jerusalem for the promised holy spirit to direct them further?

What was the kingdom that the thief referred to? Didn’t Jesus teach his disciples to pray for God’s Kingdom to “come”, so that God’s will could be “done on earth as it is in heaven”? Did the Kingdom come that day? Has God’s will been “done on earth as it is in heaven” since then? Or are we still waiting for that to take place at Jesus’ return?

At their last Passover with him, Jesus also told his faithful ones....
“You are those who have stood by Me in My trials; and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” (NASB)

Those promised places in his Kingdom were the ones who had proven their faith by the endurance of trials along with their Master. Satan would see to it that their faith was tested to the limit and each one would have to prove faithful to the death in order to receive the crown of life that awaited his “chosen ones”. (Rev 2:10; Rev 20:6)

A last minute change of heart would not earn this man a place in heaven....so what was Jesus promising him? Since Jesus did not ascend to heaven for 40 days after his resurrection, he could not promise him that he would be with him “that day” in heaven.....what Jesus did promise the man, was a place in his kingdom when the earth was under the control of his heavenly government.....he would be resurrected along with the faithful, and others “who committed evil” as part of the kingdom arrangement to bring all the dead in Sheol back to life. The man will get to prove his faith then, during a period of judgment.

Jesus said....
“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil to a resurrection of judgment. For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is Son of Man.” (John 5:26-29 NASB)

Jesus said “an hour was coming”, not that the time for this resurrection had already arrived. No one went to heaven before Jesus, (John 3:13) so all the dead slept in death (in Sheol) and the majority of them are still awaiting their restoration back to life....to the kind of life we were meant to live at the beginning.
Only the elect (those “dead in Christ”) were to “rise first”. (1 Thess 4:13-17)

So there is much lack of genuine Bible education in Christendom, who are stuck with trying to perpetuate their false teachings in the light of the truth that is now shining in a dark world. As the day for Christ’s judgment approaches, the light on the path of true believers grows brighter. (Prov 4:18)
Those left behind in the darkness cannot see it. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

Didn't Jesus say that believers will never die? Are you saying that believers don't immediately go to Heaven but instead are in some sort of suspended animation? Wouldn't that make Jesus's statement false?

 

[NotTheRock]

What did Paul say at 1 Corinthians 15:6, about those of the “more than 500” who had died? They had “fallen asleep in death.”

Didn't Paul also say that to be absent from the body is to be with God?

 

[TheHC]

Didn't Paul also say that to be absent from the body is to be with God?

You are now implying the Bible contradicts itself? (Both of us know better.)

Or is there a way to correlate the two statements?

No one is ever away from God’s purview, even if they’re “sleeping in death.” Are they?

Ezekiel 18:4 tells us that God says “All the souls, TO ME they belong” — even the ones that have died.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Didn't Jesus say that believers will never die? Are you saying that believers don't immediately go to Heaven but instead are in some sort of suspended animation? Wouldn't that make Jesus's statement false?

What were God’s people taught about death? Because whatever they were taught, is what Jesus taught.
Are the dead really dead….? Or are they alive somewhere else?
what did God tell Adam about death?

Gen 3:19…in sentencing him, Yahweh said….
”In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken.+ For dust you are and to dust you will return.”

Was Adam told that he would go to heaven or hell? Or that he would return to the dust.

Speaking prophetically about this time of the end, Daniel wrote…..
“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. 2 And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt.”
3 And those having insight will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven, and those bringing the many to righteousness like the stars, forever and ever.
4 “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and knowledge will become abundant.” (Daniel 12:1-4)

This prophecy is not referring to a symbolic resurrection, a spiritual revival of God’s servants that occurs during the last days....but rather, these words refer to the resurrection of the dead that takes place in the coming new world. Why can we draw that conclusion? The expression “the dust” is also used at Job 17:16 as a parallel of the expression “the Grave.” This fact indicates Daniel 12:2 is referring to the literal resurrection that will occur after the last days have ended and after the battle of Armageddon.

What does Daniel 12:2 mean, though, when it says that some will be resurrected to “everlasting life”? It means that those who are resurrected and come to know, or continue to know, and obey Jehovah and Jesus during the 1,000 years will ultimately receive everlasting life. It is what God has wanted from the beginning....(Isa 55:11) he never designed humans to live anywhere but here, on a lovingly prepared earth.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Nottherock,

Nope. Hell is done away with.

 

[Taken]

Do non-Christians go to Hell after death?

Do on-Christians go to Hell after death? No.

Christian is a Title / Description.
There are Converted Believers who do Not carry the Title or Description of Christian.

Christians are Titles/Descriptions of PEOPLE.
PEOPLE do not go to hell.

Unsaved souls go to hell.
Dead bodys go to the grave.

Departed (out of a dead body), unsaved souls go to hell…to wait in agony and discomfort, separated from God, beauty, pleasures….waiting…For their “hearing, ie. appearing before the Judge, Judgement, Sentence.”

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Aunty Jane]

Hello Nottherock,

Nope. Hell is done away with.

That is true…..”hades“ along with “death” are forever destroyed in “the lake of fire” (Rev 20:13-14)…..because it was never in God’s original purpose for man to die and be placed in sheol (hades or the grave) at all. Being granted everlasting life means that death is conquered and the grave (hades) will have no occupants.

“Hell“ is a mistranslated and very misunderstood term because several words are translated by this one word with very pagan connotations.
There is no “hell” as is taught and dreaded by Christendom’s adherents….”hades” is the grave, from which the dead are resurrected…even those who did evil things, perhaps in ignorance? (John 5:28-29)

“Gehenna” is another word under this umbrella, but it is not a place of conscious torment either, because the dead are not aware of anything at all. (Ecc 9:5, 10) “Gehenna” is eternal death, which is the very opposite of eternal life. Those in Gehenna will not be resurrected…their life is forfeited, permanently.

There is no immortal soul to go anywhere….the dead sleep peacefully in their graves awaiting the promised resurrection. Why would God want to torment the wicked before he sentences them to more torture? What law of God involved prolonged and painful suffering?
Only God knows who is in hades and who is in Gehenna.

He is not a sadist.