How can anyone fall for the errors of Calvinism ?

[Ritajanice]

I think you understand very little of God's word.
And I do believe I should leave this nonsense of a conversation with you.

Thanks for voicing your opinion.

You've never sinned in all the years you've been saved.
Yes. Once again denying the simple word of God.
Read up on 1 John....
Good night.

Sorry..a Born again doesn't sin, they have been Born Of God’s seed.

When you understand what it means to be Born Of God’s seed, ?

Which comes by divine heart revelation..We are Born Of The Spirit, which is Gods Living seed.. Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

[Behold]

Sorry ,I have supported what it means to be Born Of The Spirit..

Once a person, a sinner.. ("Jesus came into the world to save sinners).. (not just the pre-destined).....So, once this SINNER, gives their Faith in Christ to God.....then God forgives their sin with the Blood and Death Sacrifice of Jesus, and then now being Forgiven... God's Holy Spirit "births their spirit" as "born.... .again".

So, what you are teaching is that the spiritual birth, is caused first, so that the person now born again, can finally have faith in Christ.

That's a false Gospel. Galatians 1:8

Only a Calvinist, who is under the spell of Calvinism, can't realize that this is impossible., because God has to have our FAITH first..., before He will "impute the Righteousness", that can't happen until all the sins are forgiven.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You now admit that i have posted verses to you..
In fact ive posted them in my THREADs, that expose the Satanic Heresy that is Calvinism, and you will read the Threads, that have verses in them, and say....>>>"NO VERSES"

So, you have some issues, and being John Calvin's Tool, is not the only one. @Ronald Nolette

No, I have admitted that you have posteds just a few verses. And as I said I will not go through all your threads to find where you may or may not have posted verses to others in the past.

Yopu are debating with me now in the present and you should as one who claims to be a believer to post verses as I have to you.

I would venture a conservative guess and say that for every one vewrse or partial verse you have posted to me in a dozen threads I have posted forty or so.

Over 99% of your replies are just dark vile slander.

Well you have shown yourself to not be a bible student,

but please do not try to be a counselor either, you really suck at it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well I went back to your post 388 and showed you that Paul in verses 22-24 is specifically speaking to all! Romans 9-11 is a commentary by Paul mostly on Israel and showing Gods OT promises to Israel will still be fulfilled.

So you consider yourself a biblical scholar?

Is this self proclaimed or have you labored and been shown by those over you to be a scholar?

Actually Ronald...post 388 was to Scott Downy, so I don't really know what you mean.
So you agree that Paul is speaking about Israel in Romans 9?
So you agree that it's discussing corporate salvation and not individual salvation as Calvinists try to make the case?

So we agree that Paul was discussing the Israelites, the golden calf, the longsuffering of God's waiting at the behest of Moses and how the vessels meant for destruction are those that had build the GC?

 

[Ritajanice]

As you might have noticed....
I don't post opinion...
I post verses.

Apparently some on this thread (you) cannot counter those verses because they ARE TRUTH and truth is difficult to deny.

You have posted scripture, and interpreted it to mean, that’s how one is Born Again,that’s your own belief system..

I don’t agree with your belief system, that’s all...because it’s not the word of God, it’s your word, to make scripture say what it’s not saying, on how we are Born Of The Spirit..my opinion

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hmmm.
Nothing on post 388.
Nothing on what the aorist tense means.
Waiting on verses showing that man has no free will.

I posted them to you as you requestd on this thread. Now go and read them.

When you respond to my question as to whether you believe in the Trinity or not.

I went to post 388 and learned what you posted, now go learn from any of over 1000 sources what the aorist means.

And you were wrong on your conclusions to SD that Chapter 9 is just for Jews.

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

I hope you are not going to devolve into behold and toss aside grammar like he does.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Actually Ronald...post 388 was to Scott Downy, so I don't really know what you mean.
So you agree that Paul is speaking about Israel in Romans 9?
So you agree that it's discussing corporate salvation and not individual salvation as Calvinists try to make the case?

So we agree that Paul was discussing the Israelites, the golden calf, the longsuffering of God's waiting at the behest of Moses and how the vessels meant for destruction are those that had build the GC?

Well Paul was speaking to Jews for the most part, but as I have told you now 3 times verses 22-24 specifically is for all. Paul said so. A scholarly commentary would see that plainly.

 

[GodsGrace]

You have posted scripture, and interpreted it to mean, that’s how one is Born Again,that’s your own belief system..

I don’t agree with your belief system, that’s all...because it’s not the word of God, it’s your word, to make scripture say what it’s not saying, my opinion

Sorry RJ
It's not MY belief system.
It's what the NT teaches, which is why I use scripture.
If you don't care to believe what the NT teaches, that's fine by me.
I'll leave with this:
1. MAN HAS FREE WILL.
2. MAN SINS EVEN AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN.
READ JOHN 20:23 and 1 John 1 that might also be helpful to you in understanding number 2.

John 20:22-23
22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”


1 John 1:8-10
8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.


If John was writing the truth....it looks like you're making God to be a liar.

 

[GodsGrace]

I posted them to you as you requestd on this thread. Now go and read them.

When you respond to my question as to whether you believe in the Trinity or not.

I went to post 388 and learned what you posted, now go learn from any of over 1000 sources what the aorist means.

And you were wrong on your conclusions to SD that Chapter 9 is just for Jews.

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

I hope you are not going to devolve into behold and toss aside grammar like he does.

Just as I thought.
You didn't properly read post 388.
Why are you restating what I already explained?

How about giving us YOUR explanation instead?

In Romans 9...was Paul writing to his brethren or not?
I gave scripture to show this to be true.
Could you give scripture to show that it is NOT true?

Paul is explaining why the Gentiles have been LET IN because many Jews believed that the Messiah had to be different....
Perhaps you know HOW different?? I won't insult you by explaining it.

I speak 3 languages and happen to know what the aorist tense is...
unlike most that THINK they know....
and since you're not willing to type 10 words to explain it...I'll have to assume that you're one of those that does NOT know what it means.

BUT
I really don't care about this stuff.

Here's what I care about:
CALVINISM CHANGES THE NATURE AND CHARACTER OF GOD.

I don't think God will be too happy about this.

So, having received NOTHING from you to support your doctrinal beliefs...

And not expecting to from what I've read....

I release you from your responsibility to prove anything...
since it's obvious you cannot.

 

[Ritajanice]

I posted them to you as you requestd on this thread. Now go and read them.

Unfortunately she won’t..I have tried to discuss said scripture also with Godsgrace.

She believes man has freewill, to bring about the supernatural rebirth.

Sorry RJ
It's not MY belief system.
It's what the NT teaches, which is why I use scripture.
If you don't care to believe what the NT teaches, that's fine by me.
I'll leave with this:
1. MAN HAS FREE WILL.
2. MAN SINS EVEN AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN.
READ JOHN 20:23 and 1 John 1 that might also be helpful to you in understanding number 2.

John 20:22-23
22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

That is not how Jesus says we are Born Of The Spirit...that is your belief in what you believe it means to be Born Of God’s seed?

Only the Spirit can witness Gods truth to our spirit..not by reading scripture.sorry.

1 John 1:8-10
8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

John is saying exactly what it means, no one has said we don’t live in the old man of sin, we’re in the new man, partakers Of the divine nature.
Please address a Born Again does not sin because they have been Born of Gods seed?

If John was writing the truth....it looks like you're making God to be a liar.

You too @GodsGrace are also making God to be a liar..God said a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born of Gods seed?

 

[Behold]

No, I have admitted that you have posteds just a few verses.

And how many posts, over how many months.... have you stated that i never posted verses to support my exposure of demonic Calvinism.?

So, you lied how many times? How many Months?
So, thank you for not lying in your most recent post.

You confess sin, because you told us that you sin......and then confess it... to try to not go to hell,, so, you have a lot of confessing to do.......according to your posts. @Ronald Nolette

Yopu are debating with me now in the present and you should as one who claims to be a believer to post verses as I have to you.

If you post verses you dont understand, or K Greek "text" that you can't read... then what have you actually done here?

So, what i do with Calvinism, is present it, truthfully.. = as its a Cross Denying Heresy.

John Calvinism as Hyper Calvinism.... denies The Cross, by "limiting it" to only Some... and that is the "LIE", that is Satanic.
Why is it Satanic?
Its Satanic because God So loved the WORLD...>>not just the pre-destined elect".... SEE>... = God gave His only Begotten to WHOSOEVER will Believe. John 3:16
That is "ALL who will Believe".. and "All who will call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved"..

So, Satan, is attacking the Cross, using Calvinism, by denying that the Cross is for us ALL.....

This is the Calvinism Heresy, that is the most hellish part of TULIP.......its the most Satanic part., and you are Selling it to Christians for 30+ Yrs, because Calvin owns your theology, .. and that is the demonic power that empowers Calvinism, through a person.

Over 99% of your replies are just dark vile slander.

Im not slandering a Disciple of Calvin, when i say that you are selling it, when you share it, teach it, or if you print it, or YOutube it.

Im not slandering a Disciple of Calvin, when i said that Calvinism will get you killed,.... as it will.

Ive not slandered a Disciple of Calvin when i explained to them, that "TULIP", does not state that your entire family is going to be "Pre-chosen to believe".. as TULIP teaches that "God saves only SOME"... so, when i told you and the other Calvinists ....that this means that John Calvin is teaching that God chose some of your family to not go to heaven, then....that is choosing them to go to Hell., According to John Calvinism.

See ??

No Slander found,
All Truth...

 

[Ritajanice]

If John was writing the truth....it looks like you're making God to be a liar.

Romans 6:6-23​

King James Version​

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Angelina]

This thread is now locked. Come on people, can't you just behave and agree to disagree?

 

[Angelina]

So do you believe that Father, son and Spirit are just different appearances of one entity or person? I want to make sure I do not misunderstand you.

do you believe teh Father isa different "person" than the son who is a different person than the Spirit yet they are all God? What is called the Trinity.

Please be aware the discussing the Trinity is in breach of CyB Trinity Policy. - Policy - Topics That Can No-Longer Be Discussed at CyB Thank you.