How can anyone fall for the errors of Calvinism ?

[Ritajanice]

@GodsGrace .

Sorry, because you are a free willer , your posts don’t make an ounce offence to me, regarding freewill.

Jesus was predestined to be the Messiah.

The Born Again are predestined to be his followers/ spirit children/ disciples...I only understand being in the “will of God”
you seem to only understand being in “ your own will”.

 

[GodsGrace]

Except Paul did not limit it to the Jews.

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Sorry but the bible says it is for Jew and Gentile as well! that means all of mankind.

Read my post 388 and learn something.

 

[Behold]

But as you say knowing the Greek is unimportant (another area you are benighted in), let me do a bible study for you from the inspired writer Paul who wrote in Koine Greek!

You are not fluent in Greek, or K. Greek.
So, until you can read and speak K.Greek on this level, then you are just wasting your time.. .exactly as you've wasted 30+ yrs, trying to sell Calvin's Heresy.
When i say "wasted your time"... its because its true.
Selling Calvinism, is like selling Mormonism, or JW... .Sure you BELIEVE its true, but, that is how it is to be deceived by a heresy.

I realize that part of the reason you are on the forum is to repost verses that you dont understand.
There are quite a few deceived Calvinists that like to post a long series of verses, that they can't understand..

You've posted the same verses to me, many times, for many months.
Initially, i would teach them, but, then i realized that Calvinist's can only SEE Calvinism...as that is the mind blindness, that Calvin causes.
So, that was not helping you..

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace .

Sorry, because you are a free willer , your posts don’t make an ounce offence to me, regarding freewill.

Jesus was predestined to be the Messiah.

The Born Again are predestined to be his followers/ spirit children/ disciples...I only understand being in the “will of God”
you seem to only understand being in “ your own will”.

Free willer.

Yes. I know that term well.
If you were on my previous forum...you'd be permanently banned for that.

Know why?
Because it's hateful and derogatory.
And behavior unbecoming a Christian person.


So...
YOU ARE a Calvinis....

OK. At least you've admitted it.
Took quite a while however.

 

[Ritajanice]

Actually that is not what the passage says. It say they were made fit for destruction. the passive voice in Greek means that someone actas on the subject .

In this case someone acts on the last to make them lost!

Remember every one is an object of wrath by nature. No one has to do anything at all to go

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There we go.
Can't defend your position....
go directly to ad hominems.
Typical.

Not worth the time to reply to your posts.

TULIP is not biblical and is heretical.
Any doctrine invented 1,500 years AFTER Jesus is heretical.

Find out what heretical means.

Well as I wasd addressing Behold and not you , your point is moot. Especially as I posted Scripture as per your request.

So you are now acting like Behold, making bold declarations without providing biblical support. You asked and I provided many biblical passages to defend the five points.

So now I ask you to provide biblical support to show the five points are wrong!

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace .

Sorry, because you are a free willer , your posts don’t make an ounce offence to me, regarding freewill.

Jesus was predestined to be the Messiah.

The Born Again are predestined to be his followers/ spirit children/ disciples...I only understand being in the “will of God”
you seem to only understand being in “ your own will”.

PS

You didn't reply to my verses.
Are you unable to?

Yes. Certainly.
You're UNABLE to defend what you believe because what you believe makes no sense and causes conflict after conflict in the bible.

I showed you how man has FREE WILL.

Now,,,can YOU show me how man DOES NOT have FREE WILL?

No. You will not be able to because man DOES HAVE FREE WILL and this is supported throughout the entire bible.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Read my post 388 and learn something.

I read and responded already.

 

[Ritajanice]

Free willer.

Yes. I know that term well.
If you were on my previous forum...you'd be permanently banned for that.

Maybe because it’s a free will forum.

Know why?
Because it's hateful and derogatory.
And behavior unbecoming a Christian person.

Sorry it’s not..freewill is not biblical.

So...
YOU ARE a Calvinis....

OK. At least you've admitted it.
Took quite a while however.

I am a Born Again, I am not a Calvinist..

My spirit is in Christ and Christ centred...the Spirit gave birth to my spirit..therefore I am in Gods will and not my own will.

Just like Jesus was also in the will of the Father.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well as I wasd addressing Behold and not you , your point is moot. Especially as I posted Scripture as per your request.

So you are now acting like Behold, making bold declarations without providing biblical support. You asked and I provided many biblical passages to defend the five points.

So now I ask you to provide biblical support to show the five points are wrong!

Ronald...
I don't know if you're familiar with forum rules...
but
ANYONE can reply to ANY post.
You could read up on this if necessary.

AND
There are plenty of verses in my post no. 388.

I ask that you go read it and then give me a reply.
I reposted it to save you the time to go look for it.

I do believe you will NOT BE ABLE to post a reply
because Calvinism is NOT taught in the bible...
Difficult to defend something that is not even taught.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are not fluent in Greek, or K. Greek.
So, until you can read and speak K.Greek on this level, then you are just wasting your time.. .exactly as you've wasted 30+ yrs, trying to sell Calvin's Heresy.
When i say "wasted your time"... its because its true.
Selling Calvinism, is like selling Mormonism, or JW... .Sure you BELIEVE its true, but, that is how it is to be deceived by a heresy.

I realize that part of the reason you are on the forum is to repost verses that you dont understand.
There are quite a few deceived Calvinists that like to post a long series of verses, that they can't understand..

You've posted the same verses to me, many times, for many months.
Initially, i would teach them, but, then i realized that Calvinist's can only SEE Calvinism...as that is the mind blindness, that Calvin causes.
So, that was not helping you..

Another lame excuse for a man with two broken spiritual legs. I studied Koine Greek and know how to use language tools.

Is that why you can only vomit your slander instead of addressing the issue?

What is your expertise in Greek? Or is this just another empty assault because you are afraid to answer the Scriptures?

 

[GodsGrace]

I read and responded already.

Oh. Please give me the post number.
I must have missed it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Every person is born condemned!

 

[Ritajanice]

PS

You didn't reply to my verses.
Are you unable to?

What verses?

I’m still waiting for you to answer and explain the verses I posted.

Your understanding of scripture is very different to my understanding of scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

Another lame excuse for a man with two broken spiritual legs. I studied Koine Greek and know how to use language tools.

Is that why you can only vomit your slander instead of addressing the issue?

What is your expertise in Greek? Or is this just another empty assault because you are afraid to answer the Scriptures?

Ronald
No need to know any Greek.
Translators do a pretty good job of translating.
They don't need YOUR help.

It would be sufficient for you to support your views in English,
but I doubt even that could be accomplished due to the fact that you're not following biblical teachings.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald...
I don't know if you're familiar with forum rules...
but
ANYONE can reply to ANY post.
You could read up on this if necessary.

AND
There are plenty of verses in my post no. 388.

I ask that you go read it and then give me a reply.
I reposted it to save you the time to go look for it.

I do believe you will NOT BE ABLE to post a reply
because Calvinism is NOT taught in the bible...
Difficult to defend something that is not even taught.

Well I am asking you to answer me now!

Ronald...
I don't know if you're familiar with forum rules...
but
ANYONE can reply to ANY post.
You could read up on this if necessary.

AND
There are plenty of verses in my post no. 388.

I ask that you go read it and then give me a reply.
I reposted it to save you the time to go look for it.

I do believe you will NOT BE ABLE to post a reply
because Calvinism is NOT taught in the bible...
Difficult to defend something that is not even taught.

So you wish to defend Beholds lack of biblical support for his vile vicious attacks then. Okay.

But before I go back to your post 388 I will ask again. do you believe in the triune God or do you believe there is only one God who at times manifests as Father and others as Son and others as Holy Spirit? You know what I am asking.

And I gave you many biblical verses to suppopprt what are known as the five points". but what both you anhd behold have been unable to do is rebut with Scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

Maybe because it’s a free will forum.

Sorry it’s not..freewill is not biblical.

Well, just because you say it does not make it so.

As I asked,,,,could you please show me, from the bible,
how man has no free will.

I showed you how man DOES HAVE free will....
It's your turn to show us how man does not have free will.

I am a Born Again, I am not a Calvinist..

Oh. Well, being born again has nothing to do with being Calvinist.
You could be born again AND be Calvinist.
You could follow the teachings of John Calvin instead of those of Jesus and God will forgive you
because He's a loving God.

Calvinists don't believe in a loving God.
But you'll have to figure this out for yourself.

My spirit is in Christ and Christ centred...the Spirit gave birth to my spirit..therefore I am in Gods will and not my own will.

Just like Jesus was also in the will of the Father.

You're in God's will.
Good.

Does this mean that you NEVER sin?
You haven't sinned ONE TIME in all the years you've been born again?

 

[Behold]

Translators do a pretty good job of translating.
They don't need YOUR help.

Ronald is one of those people .......

This type..

A person can't read Greek...but they want to teach it... as they dont trust their Bible.
However, they can't read Greek.

Fake....Solution?

Buy a Gk Lexicon.. and read the English Translation, and then post the Grk, and pretend you are teaching it.

That is actually quite dishonest.
Its almost as dishonest and saying that a Bible can't be trusted, because "only the Original Greek" is the word of God.. And yet there is no Original Greek, as only the Apostles Letters, are the "originals".. and those are long gone.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well I am asking you to answer me now!

So you wish to defend Beholds lack of biblical support for his vile vicious attacks then. Okay.

But before I go back to your post 388 I will ask again. do you believe in the triune God or do you believe there is only one God who at times manifests as Father and others as Son and others as Holy Spirit? You know what I am asking.

I'm not a modulist.
Do I have to pass a litmus test to speak to you?

 

[Ritajanice]

Now,,,can YOU show me how man DOES NOT have FREE WILL?

I already have..we are Born Of The Spirit, exactly as the word says,

There is no scripture that says a man has free will to become Born Again..if you are saved, then you must have been birthed by the Spirit..you can’t choose or freely have a conversation with God to give birth to your spirit, I’m afraid, sorry.