quietthinker
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How is it possible with our retributive mindset to understand that God has love for sinners?
What to do with all these illegal aliens?
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Wrangler
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Wrangler
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Two different subject. Illegal aliens is a political matter not a religious matter.
You aren't wrong....
But speaking from a purely numbers scenario...we, the US Citizens, are not having enough children. The average woman in America only has 1.6 live birth children in her lifetime. We need a birth rate of 2.3 per woman for stasis of our population. Higher for any growth. Immigration solves a lot of this problem but introduces more problems.
We have been so far below the stasis number for so long its now a crisis. We need the people and many more 2nd generation Americans.
But to the other side....we need to deport the criminal elements immediately. Not a handwringing, not incarceration....deportation. stop the handouts too....it's not helping. Hand ups are just fine. Handouts are not.
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He does up until a certain point, then He lets them go, releases them to do the things they want.
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Rom. 1:28-32
And so this facetious, off the wall scenario I posted was just tongue in cheek that answered what seemed to me your off the wall post.
Debp
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Mexico officials are looking to break them up and turn them around.
When the deportations from America come along....they are getting those too.
Some are heading for Canada.
I have no problem with those who just want to work and live their lives. However....the prostitutes, drug runners, enslavers and thieves need to go elsewhere.
Soon there's going to be a huge demand for labor. We will need people. But....we don't need a bunch of yahoos making life difficult.
amigo de christo
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Have you noticed that trumps policies are far better than his rhetoric .
He aint gonna deport them all . They might crack down on removing the criminals .
But in the end who knows .
Its kind of sad that while TRUMP has better policies
HE is leading people right into the same snare as does the RCC with this interfaith common ground lie .
And worse , not all , but most who sit under trump cannot even see the deadly danger in this .
amigo de christo
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Who has the greater sin , the peoples who were promised or the govt who made these promises .
And yet the same liberal agenda that gave these people all this hope
Cant STAND for them to be anywhere near their houses . There is much hyprocrisy abounding .
What truly puts fear into my heart for this people and i mean america itself
and christendom is that more and more so love the direction that common ground interfaith is taking them .
To the lie . Few seem to even care that the NAME of CHRIST is being trod under foot
that the gospel of YE must beleive in HIM is being replaced with a fat lie . That is why my heart breaks for this people .
We do realize a lie cannot save anyone , no matter how kind and loving satan can make that lie appear .
Satan has thrown a life line he calls love unto this people and many seem to be embracing that line
seeing it as love . JESUS is being TROD under foot by means of common ground interfaith
and so few even care anymore and most are headed right into this mergering .
Marvelloustime
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Wrangler
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They are all criminals. Not sure where your mantra of defeatism comes from, that 'He aint gonna deport them all;' not sure what victory you suppose saying that awards you.
There is another poster whose entire argument is based on the SOME-v-ALL dichotomy and I'm always leary of such rabbit hole arguments. The optics of Trump deporting more than a few at a time will be revolutionary. No doubt the Left will lose their minds and do everything they can to stop justice from being done.
Speaking of justice, as it is with bringing anyone to justice, it sends a somber message to others who commit similar crimes. I suspect Trump deporting more than a few at a time will have a dramatically chilling affect, demotivating invaders from even attempting it again. Of course, there is a holy trinity of actions to take:
- Secure the border
- Divest the Deep State of Power
- Get the DOJ under control, specifically
- Finally, Deport the invaders.
amigo de christo
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Beware what you ask for my friend . For this compound you speak about
might just end up enclosing any and all who the govt deems a potential terrorist .
For the names on that list i suggest you go and see the HOMELAND terrorism and potential terroism list .
True biblical christains are NUMBER One on that list .
Maybe that is what they wanted all along to make something seem good and necessary
and then enlarge it to include ALL they DEEM as potential terrorists aka or criminals . Beware lest
this people gets exactly what it reaped by trusting in man and in govt .
amigo de christo
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No doubt they did come in illegally . But who holds the greater sin , them or the govt that ENTICED them .
Ps , what on earth is a mantra of defeatism . My hope be in GOD which means it be IN HIS CHRIST
i preach not a message of defeat but rather of victory . THOUGH in this world true lambs will suffer
and soon suffer heavy tribulations , We lambs are more than conquerers through HE that loved us .
Its Why you often see me speak against this interfaith common ground mantra of defeatism . cause everyone
who buys the lie will not have the victory , will not have eternal life , will not overcome for their FAITH IS NOT IN HE WHO overcame .
Marvelloustime
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I have always thought that. Don't offer them anything and they won't come. But that has never been the American way. We have always been givers and the world takes advantageof that. Our Christian principles kick in, the Holy Spirit promises us to help and love and we do. For what is the fruit of the Spirit? Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
>>I don't see much of that expressed in this thread.
"Give and it shall be given to you ..."
"When you give to the poor and do acts of kindness, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing _ give in complete secrecy".
What does that mean? It means don't sit there and analyze whether to give or not.
That is what we are doing. If you do, you'll talk yourself out of it. Isn't that true? We seek to justify our giving.
>>So the right hand should by reflex, give without mental analysis and if the mind is bypassed... (symbolic for the left hand), then we will give.<<
This is an interesting notion. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father. We never hear what His left hand represents.
It is said that His left hand is providing temporal blessings, punishment and restraint of sin. While His right hand represents eternal blessings, forgiveness, making us inwardly holy.
So that said, how should we approach the challenges and decisions of life? With the right hand and let God sort out the injustices. Stiil my left hand says flood the Rio Grande with crocodiles. Oops.
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amigo de christo
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well importing all religoins of lawlesness , for they do deny JESUS as the CHRIST , AINT THE SOLUTION either . fact is
its far worse . Now go and behold what common ground interfaith is doing . but the church sees it as a solutoin
and yet that solution leads and is leading all to the lie . just a real friendly reminder
of exactly where this bridge building tearing down walls , finding commnon ground is leading folks right too .
Do be encouraged my friend .
How we view all the events in history, the achievements and failures, the blessings and curses, the conquests and defeats, the knowledge and wisdom of good and evil that brought us to this point in time, answers the questions we have and direct us towards solutions.
My view is that God is sovereign and has a plan. He allows evil for a purpose, He tests us. So we can squabble about our predicament that we are in, but God allowed it to happen for a purpose. So what is His purpose for these 10- 12 million migrants? We are being tested! He just blessed us and so now how do we respond? He was gracious and forgiving. It reminds me of the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant. Shall we respond like that servant?
So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”Matt. 18:35
As I have said, their is a mixture; but many of them are brothers and sisters in Christ. God did not just send all evil people here and then turn around and bless us.
My view is that God is sovereign and has a plan. He allows evil for a purpose, He tests us. So we can squabble about our predicament that we are in, but God allowed it to happen for a purpose. So what is His purpose for these 10- 12 million migrants? We are being tested! He just blessed us and so now how do we respond? He was gracious and forgiving. It reminds me of the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant. Shall we respond like that servant?
So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”Matt. 18:35
As I have said, their is a mixture; but many of them are brothers and sisters in Christ. God did not just send all evil people here and then turn around and bless us.
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Let's put it this way....
In scriptures the first year's produce from a fruit tree or grape vine was not to be touched by the farmer. It was for "God" who used it to feed the poor and desperate.
Same with the corners of your grain field....and if you left a sheaf behind you couldn't go back for it....again for the same reason.
Also you could walk into a field of grain and eat what you could pick....no carrying or harvesting another person's grain field. Just what you could eat in the field itself.
That's the Biblical principle....meaning to have compassion on desperate people and count on there being desperate people out there needing what God has so richly blessed you with.
What I'm suggesting is that for some of these people we demonstrate some unmerited favor (aka: grace) and allow them to work and earn a living.
I am not suggesting blanket amnesty....it's abusive towards those who have gone over the huge number of hurdles to immigrate and naturalize legally into America. It discounts citizenship....especially with handout programs.
I get it....they came here illegally. They have no legal status here whatsoever. And an identity and interview process can identify those who just want jobs and to live life.
But those who find the USA a "target rich" environment to prey upon the unsuspecting innocent? They get deported in cages to a nation of our choosing. I think Russia is looking for some immigrants.
Put them back in line after those who have already legally applied for citizenship. These are yet more victims of illegal immigration.
You even acknowledge it, but you don't honor it. You would allow them their violation. I don't want the one's who don't care about our laws, I want the ones who do. That seems like a fairly reasonable standard, wouldn't you say? You say, those who just want a life, I say, yeah, and they'll walk over us to get it.
Make them go back and start over the right way, at the very least.
Personally, I support a mandatory lifetime ban of entry into the USA for anyone who has at any time entered our country illegally.
Much love!
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