quietthinker
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You have to sort those questions out in your pursuit of a 'speak from the both sides of your mouth God' !
What to do with all these illegal aliens?
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MorningDance13
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You asked the questions! God is a God of Love and Justice. He gets angry and displays His wrath at times that are appropriate. He gives Life and He takes it away, saves some but many will he lost.
Jesus came the 1st time not to condemn, but to reveal the Himself as God, but not in His glorified Majesty, as just a humble servant, Who emptied Himself, became flesh and dwelt among us, sacrificed Himself ( the ultimate act of love) and offers eternal life to whosoever believes in Him. When He returns the 2nd time, He will redeem all those who believe in Him and glorify them; but He will also show His wrath, war against evil, defeat it and condemn His enemies. There has always been two sides of the story, good and evil.
And that is also how we must deal with our lives, with others, with love and justice as well. Some of these migrants will stay, be loved and find happiness, some will not and be kicked out.
God brought His laws to Israel and they tried to keep them but failed over and over again. They represented mankind, who does no different. We are all sinners. Thankfully Jesus came and fulfilled the Law for us.
Our government is built on moral laws that reflect the laws and justice of God. They deal with sinful man, restrain and punish evil doers and protect us and our property. Remember Jesus rebuked the Parisees for neglecting the weighting parts of law. In our system of laws, particularly concerning immigration laws, have we neglected or omitted something?
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. Matt. 23:23
In Matt. 9:13 Jesus says, "Go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice'" - essentially stating that God prioritizes compassion and forgiveness over ritualistic acts of obedience to the law.
Our government is built on moral laws that reflect the laws and justice of God. They deal with sinful man, restrain and punish evil doers and protect us and our property. Remember Jesus rebuked the Parisees for neglecting the weighting parts of law. In our system of laws, particularly concerning immigration laws, have we neglected or omitted something?
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. Matt. 23:23
In Matt. 9:13 Jesus says, "Go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice'" - essentially stating that God prioritizes compassion and forgiveness over ritualistic acts of obedience to the law.
While there is not really any evidence to suggest illegal/undocumented immigrants are undermining our economy or are mostly criminals, I believe everyone should enter legally. We need better border protection because fentanyl is getting in like crazy from Mexico killing close to 200 people a day. But if either party really wanted to do something they would crack down on homeowners and business owners. Start sending business owners and homeowners to prison who hire illegal immigrants and heavily fining them. If some guy hires an illegal immigrant to work on his house and he gets caught, send him to jail for a year and fine him $50k a day the worker worked. That would make it far harder for undocumented people to get work and make money. Less of a reason to sneak over.
1908. Unlawful Employment Of Aliens -- Criminal Penalties
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"Fines for violating federal employment laws with respect to employing illegal aliens are adjusted each year; currently they range from $ 250 to $ 10,000 per illegal employee hired, depending on how many times the employer has been found to have hired such employees in the past."
[ federal-lawyer.com]
Laws are already in place, they just aren't enforcing them. In 2018, 36% of California farm workers were unauthorized immigrant. Ten years prior to that the percentage was double. The government turns the other way and allows it.
Biden voided/lifted all these laws and erased what Trump did. Now Trump will erase what Biden did. Our yo-yo justice system. Immigrants got a green light ... now a red. "WOW, we walked all that way for this?" I think being jerked around like that many of them might turn to crime since their alternative will be to go back or starve.
Just wanted to add in that I’m not a conservative. I think that the actual issue is not immigration but the fact that business owners are willing to pay undocumented immigrants far less than they pay Americans. So I think the actual issue are the business owners. But since I don’t expect them to do better, that means the government needs to take away that resource from them. If business owners paid them livable wages or competitive wages it would not undercut the money Americans could make in those trades . I overwhelming stand against the Conservative Party because they constantly threaten individual rights, want to do border control with a dumb idea like a large fence and have overturned close to 150 environmental laws that makes our water, air and land far better.
The same can be said about giving them free stuff, a free life (welfare, medical, education, housing, etc.) If they turned off the spigot, they would not come. If they did not hire, there would be no jobs for them ... the won 't come.
But it is a normal temptation, to hire workers for less pay to increase profits - "If no one is looking and I can get away with it"!
Still, too the world, America is the land of opportunity, the Land of Oz, the Field of Dreams ... "We built it
... and they came"!
God blessed America for centuries more than any other nation ( well to be fair, Israel too). Coming here is the next best thing on earth than dying and going to heaven. They knew that on their way, that they could die on their long journies, but it was worth the risk - the door was opened!
I am so thankful that I was born here and reaped a good life and so feel a sense of compassion for many of these migrants. I didn't always feel that way. I had equally negative and repulsive thoughts about them all the way up until Trump just got elected. It was like a Grace and Mercy switch turned on. ???
Most illegal immigrants don’t receive very much government assistance. Refugees do, since they got approved for asylum but refugee and illegal immigrant is not synonymous. Out of illegal immigrants who get free healthcare it’s technically mostly the pregnant women and the care is technically for the fetus inside of her. Then some states have more lenient approaches to kids. The majority of illegal immigrants are men who are here working under the table for far less than citizens get paid and never receive any financial assistance. They tend to be here for under 5 years and head back to Mexico or wherever they are from.
The main issue is allowing homeowners to rent to and hire illegal immigrants. Often breaking many laws such as capacity by which they stuff a dozen men into a 2 bedroom trailer. The other issue is that businesses often hire illegal immigrants for the same reason. Personally I think we need to fund Mexico to improve and spend less money on oversee wars. Help root out evil men and women in power there and establish a healthier democracy. Over generations of improvements we can work towards maybe having open borders between the Americas since each nation is thriving. Lots of opportunities there to open up international colleges with focused on medical care and science.
The main issue is allowing homeowners to rent to and hire illegal immigrants. Often breaking many laws such as capacity by which they stuff a dozen men into a 2 bedroom trailer. The other issue is that businesses often hire illegal immigrants for the same reason. Personally I think we need to fund Mexico to improve and spend less money on oversee wars. Help root out evil men and women in power there and establish a healthier democracy. Over generations of improvements we can work towards maybe having open borders between the Americas since each nation is thriving. Lots of opportunities there to open up international colleges with focused on medical care and science.
quietthinker
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quietthinker
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I think your understanding of God's Love as well as his Justice is dragged through the filter of your perception of what those terms mean......and in so doing, you come up with a God who is alien to Jesus and more inline with that of the pagan deities.....more in line with the perceived God of the Jews....who had no problem justifying murder yet were pedantic about paying tithe on mint and cumin ......yet you are unaware of this.
Wrangler
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What is your understanding of Justice as it relates to home invasion? (I look forward to your twisting “justice” from your conception of “Divine Justice.”)
quietthinker
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If you've concluded that my reply is a twisting of justice then there is no point explaining anything. You have already decided HOW to see.
Have you been spending any time at all in the outback ...watching the kangaroos hop around, listening to those dingos howl? Maybe you should get out there, so you can meditate, be quiet and think... for long time? Do you have a story mate? Well, maybe you should consider going on a walkabout ... find your story. Oh and take the Bible with you and learn it, hold to heart - all of it!
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Wrangler
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Trump appointed former ICE Director, Tom Homan, to be a Real Border Czar!
"Homan said this tough border stance would mean prioritizing illegal immigrants who pose public safety or national security threats. He specifically mentioned drug cartels and sex trafficking."
He said, "mass deportation is possible without family separation if they are deported together."
"I know exactly what I'm doing, and this is the second time I've come out of retirement for this president, because it matters. I was a Border Patrol agent, I wore that uniform, and I'm proud that I wore that uniform. I was an ICE agent. I was the first ICE director that came up through the ranks, so the 20,000 men and women that worked for me, I didn't ask them to do anything I wouldn't do myself, because I was one of them," he said.
"But more importantly, thousands of retired agents, retired military [have called] that want to come in and volunteer to help this president secure the border and do this deportation operation," Homan added.
>> Trump's win and this announcement should detour any who are on their way.<<
"Homan said this tough border stance would mean prioritizing illegal immigrants who pose public safety or national security threats. He specifically mentioned drug cartels and sex trafficking."
He said, "mass deportation is possible without family separation if they are deported together."
"I know exactly what I'm doing, and this is the second time I've come out of retirement for this president, because it matters. I was a Border Patrol agent, I wore that uniform, and I'm proud that I wore that uniform. I was an ICE agent. I was the first ICE director that came up through the ranks, so the 20,000 men and women that worked for me, I didn't ask them to do anything I wouldn't do myself, because I was one of them," he said.
"But more importantly, thousands of retired agents, retired military [have called] that want to come in and volunteer to help this president secure the border and do this deportation operation," Homan added.
>> Trump's win and this announcement should detour any who are on their way.<<
Considering many are Christians be-careful deciding to persecute them so you can be richer and keep your wealth.God loves them.
You obviously haven't read my thread, my compassionate switch was just turned on when Trump won ... many are Christians ... I am just stating my opinions and sharing the news.
Wrangler
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Stop drinking the gobalist kool aid! If they were not in name only Christians, they would not be breaking the law, invading our country, to begin with.
The issue is not primarily about wealth but sovereignty. Without a border, we are not a country. See Proverbs 22:28. In addition, the form of our government is a republic, meaning rule by law. Without the rule of law, we are a godless country.
Finally, there is nothing wrong with Americans keeping their wealth. If you want to be welcomed as an immigrant, you better have a value proposition of how your presence will benefit us. Otherwise, you are merely a charity case. And all attempts will fail to guilt or shame Americans who have the God given right to decide for themselves the limit of their charity. Freedom and sovereignty are at stake, fundamental to living a virtuous, God-fearing life.
mailmandan
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Los Angeles becomes sanctuary despite dozens of murderous, child-preying illegals arrested in city this year
Los Angeles passed a sanctuary city ordinance last week despite numerous migrant arrests for violent crimes in the city this year.
What a sick and depraved city! The Trump administration really needs to clean house in America over the next 4 years!
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