What to do with all these illegal aliens?

[Grailhunter]

God just blessed America in a big way!
Praise God!
Change is coming and we will start moving in the right direction.
But what will we do with all these illegal aliens? Many of them are children who have nothing and need help. It's not their fault. Certainly Trump cannot deport 5k/day for four years - that would be some trick. But the criminals, the gangs _ as we find them _ they need to go.

Imagine inviting 12 million immigrants, promising them a new life, free stuff, for their votes. And after adding maybe millions ( who knows) of fraudulent votes to Kamala's count - it didn't work! So now we have all these immigrants, who did not serve their purpose, with their hands out.
How do they feel? Manipulated, deceived, disillusioned and now stuck, broke and homeless. "Where's our free life Biden? We are on the street, living in squalor"! Obama, Biden, nor Kamala give a hoot about them.
What to do?
I say help the kids, educate them, teach them the American way. As for the adults, well they better be willing to work to pay their way. A strong work ethic shall be enforced. The Bible says, :If you don't work, you don't eat." God commands responsibility, that is what made America great to begin with; families willing to work hard towards their dreams, their pursuit of happiness. Or shall we send them all back to their nations, back to the certainty of a hopeless existence of poverty and unsafety. I don't think that is what Jesus would do.
Give them a chance, hope, but an ultimatum!
They must work and learn the language or get the heck out, no welfare for sluggards.
Christians should pray and find a way, a solution that benefits all. I believe many of them are Christians. Many of them prayed before and during their long journeys in hope that we would be merciful. Yes, close the borders now, but these who are already here, shouldn't we answer their prayers?
What say you?

I vote to deport them. The humanitarian aspect of just walking them a crossed the border would be ugly. So we would have to give some aid. They were an invasion force storming our borders so they deserve whatever they get. And dropping them off in the blue states would be entertaining not allowing federal money to support them....they would have to use state monies. The democrats caused this mess but they will never take responsibility. In the old days we would probably put them in concentration camps in the desert.

The one thing that should not happen is allow them to stay.

 

[Wrangler]

Not easy, how do we know who they are, we can't vet them.

No need to know; deport them all.

 

[Wrangler]

But 8k/day?

You keep pretending the quantity is so high, we might as well abandon justice.

Christ loved us when we were yet sinners.

You keep appealing to your faith when this is a political matter, not a religious belief matter. Sad. Very sad.

 

[Behold]

How do they feel? Manipulated, deceived, disillusioned and now stuck, broke and homeless.

Is there an illegal who does not know that they broke USA Law, when they entered illegally?
Only the Children might not understand it... and the very young would not understand it.

So, if Illegals are sad about the fact that their Lawbreaking is not going to be rewarded, by President Trump, or American LAW, then whose fault is that, really?

Here is how they will try get around the Law.

The Illegals, the women, and (girl) teens, will try to get PREGNANT, and have a Kid, as then, their KID is Legally Born in the USA... .
So, then, they can say... "If you make ME LEAVE"< you are separating me from my LEGAL Child. :"""""

See how that cunning Math works?
The Democratic Party in the USA loves that Math... they are counting on it.

So, not all of them are going to be shipped back.........as some will have produced Children in the last 4 years since Biden and Harris opened the gates to the illegal hordes "Newcomers", and that will keep them in the USA.

Now, i have no idea if the USA "Executive Branch" The President, can write an executive order, that prohibits that situation.
And If President Trump does have that power, then a DEMOCRATIC Federal Court Judge will get a call from the Dems and He will then "block the executive order".
So, what the Republicans need to do, is get this solved by a bill that is passed into LAW, as perhaps that can be the final solution.

 

[MA2444]

Christ loved us when we were yet sinners. We are all sinners. You don't think His way is better - "love your neighbor ... even your enemies"?
They came here because we have been a light in the distance, the Land of Oz to them. To the world we are and have been a place people dream about going to for a better life. That yellow brick road was thousands of miles on foot and the Wicked Witch of the East was at every turn trying to put obstacles, illnesses, hunger and death in their way. They make it to the door of this wonderful place and the Wizard tells the doorman to tell them to go home. Look into the children's eyes and say, "Go back where you came from ... we can help you, offer you a better life, but we don't want to, we are selfish, greedy, unmerciful and just don't want to share the light ... it's ours... we earned it _ legally!" Really? We are hiding behind ours laws to justify our case. Just what does God think about how we respond to our predicament? God gave us everything. Everything that is good comes from God.

Those sure are noble sounding words Brother. But I think you should consider two things. One is, it can only work that way if the migrants themselves are honest to begin with and attempt to migrate legally, make application and properly identify themselves. Is that unreasonable? If you they begin their journey to the US to find a better life here like you say, then how can we trust them if the first thing out of their mouth is lies and they sneak into our country illegally? Would you trust them? Would you invite them into your home?

The second thing is, don't you realize that our country is in a state of war right now? There might not be bullets flying yet, but give it a couple weeks, the Election was only two days ago! I'm suspicious as to how fast the democrats rolled over and said, Trump is President...don't you think that's out of character for the democratic party?! They have something big up their sleeve. Something that will take place before Trump is inaugriated. My guess is some sort of of migrant war or civil war. And Brother, when you in a foxhole and there's a war going on, you do not invite the enemy into your camp! It's hard to evangelize and love someone who is taking a bead on you. This is war.

Matthew 10:16
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.../KJV

Jesus said pray for your enemies. Jesus did not say to invite them into your inner circle. We can't be naive about this. Either you believe the word of God or you dont.

 

[MA2444]

But 8k/day?

Hey, if they can bring in 15 or 20 million in four years, then we can get rid of the same amount in four years! It makes sense. So it's a big job. So what, we're at war.

It's a spiritual war, we must approach it as a spiritual war. If you rely on an AR15 alone, you'll likely go to be with the Lord! But that doesnt mean dont have one! God told them in the OT, so build your wall with tools in one hand and sword in the other!

Rifles are for when there's no time to pray.

Pistols are for, to fight your way back to the Rifle that you shouldnt have laid down in the first place.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You keep pretending the quantity is so high, we might as well abandon justice.

You keep appealing to your faith when this is a political matter, not a religious belief matter. Sad. Very sad.

Again, finish the wall, close borders reinforce laws and by all means, get the bad guys. But let's consider this in a humane way, not harshly. USA has always been a given to the world - more than any other nation. That is because of Christ, the Bible ... we live by its principles.
Biden voided immigration laws, opened the border and gave them an invitation. It was wrong. Obviously this open border served two purposes: to accumulate some illegal votes ( which he also gave them a free pass with) and to destroy our nation. The NWO has this as an agenda, open borders everywhere, socialism, destruction of nations to be one happy family under one umbrella. No border = no nation. I know their schemes. And I would imagine that Kamala got 10 million fraudulent votes - but it still didn't work.
Though a president may do these damaging things, we still must consider humanity and right his wrongs gracefully.
Grace ... what is that Wrangler?
Jesus says,
Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them". Mark 10:14
Wrangler says, "No Lord, send them away, they are not our responsibility"!
Okay we know your stance. It is so easy for you to flippant cast people aside with the simple movement of your fingers across your. Computer keyboard. Maybe you should take a trip to the border, the massive refugee tent camps and experience reality, then gather a bunch of children and tell them what you think?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Illegals, the women, and (girl) teens, will try to get PREGNANT, and have a Kid, as then, their KID is Legally Born in the USA... .
So, then, they can say... "If you make ME LEAVE"< you are separating me from my LEGAL Child

To them, an invitation, open borders with agents allowing them through sure seems likenthe law was voided, lifted and so they did nothing illegal.
I am well aware of this tactic that has gone on since the Welfare system began - which was a mistake.

They have something big up their sleeve. Something that will take place before Trump is inaugriated

That is what I expected before the election, an EMP ... lights out. But assassination attempts were easier, but failed. I can't believe anything they say. Kamala says there will be a peaceful transition. We'll see ... two very fragile months ahead.

Jesus said pray for your enemies. Jesus did not say to invite them into your inner circle. We can't be naive about this.

True. But hey, with 12 million migrants here now, how much crime have they really committed? Murders, rapes, squatting committed by those Venezuelan gangs, yes - no worse than our own gangs in Chicago, NYC, LA ... where there are 1500 murders/ yr.
That said, the GT is near _ so guess what? Trump is well meaning and will carry a torch with his fist in the air (and I prefer him as our leader to navigate us through it all); but I don't think he will eliminate the prophesied increase of evils in the world, defeat the Antichrist, stop all the wars and heal the land back to where we once were. Only Jesus will do that.

So in our last chapter, how will we all be tested? Our character, our faith, our love ...? During stressful times, people get selfish, greedy and it's every man for himself - "This is my country, my home, my stuff ..."
Hold onto things above, things that are eternal, not temporal. We will be given choices between our fleshly and worldly things when put up against our spiritual principles. We may be tested like Ananias and Sapphira. With the end in mind, what shall we cling to?

 

[MA2444]

True. But hey, with 12 million migrants here now, how much crime have they really committed? Murders, rapes, squatting committed by those Venezuelan gangs, yes

Isnt that enough for you to know their character?

no worse than our own gangs in Chicago, NYC, LA ... where there are 1500 murders/ yr.

I disagree. The gangs grew up here and learned to do evil. The migrants...here they are please take me in...and the first thing they do is start victimizing people. We're supposed to love them people? Trust is not easily earned and quickly lost.

I can help them and love them by praying for them, but what help I give to people, I like to keep it to the domestic people, my people. The nations legitimate people that were victimized by the Biden/Harris administration!

 

[MA2444]

They should deport them all and send the bill to Biden.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

it can only work that way if the migrants themselves are honest to begin with and attempt to migrate legally, make application and properly identify themselves

They already migrated with our laws lifted by Biden. So in a sense they just answered an invitation.

Is that unreasonable?

Once the wall is finished and laws enforced, no.

Would you trust them?

We were all born sinners. Your infant
comes out of the womb, lying and manipulating their parents. "Johnny, did you break that lamp?" "No, my brother did it." He lies right to your face. Do you trust him, no. The reblliousness ramps up in the grocery store during the "terrible twos" stage, as they lay on the floor, kick and scream and embarrass their parents. . I trust people after years of them proving that they can be trusted, not initially - even family members lie, cheat and steal. Kids murder their parents too.
Hopefully these migrants aren't that bad.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

They should deport them all and send the bill to Biden.

Okay, I have your vote, deport all.

 

[marks]

What? The poor displaced migrants? Don't you understand that many of the countries that the migrants came from were dumped onto us from their jails? Convicted murderers and criminals? Not to even mention the percentage of them that are foreign soldiers..

No my friend, this was an invasion of our land on a scale that defies logic. It needs dealt with. We can't look the other way in the name of Christianity, that would be stupid. If you want to be nice to migrants, then buy some plane tickets home for them or pray for them. And let them immigrate legally if they can. We have a duty to our own people and nation above illegal migrants. It wont be pretty for them but it needs done.

And yes, give charity, supply the needs of the needy, that is absolutely our mandate from God. However, we should give to them what is ours to give, not take from someone else to give.

Much love!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Isnt that enough for you to know their character?

Doesn't the Bible say that all have sinned and all of us before we are cleansed by Christ are like dirty rags. The best case scenario is that 1/3 of them are Christians. Most Hispanics coming from Central or South America are Catholic.
Let's look at the likelihood of crime. They claim there are 600k criminals among them. That would be about 5% of their population. Maybe it's a higher percentage?
In our country there are about 21k murders/yr. That means 1 out of 15k people commit a murder in any given year. Even if we took a 25 year record, still that would imply 1 out of 600 people from 15- 40 yeats of age has committed a murder.
If we applied that to 12
million, 20k might be potential murderers in their lives.
But have we experienced anywhere near thousands of murders or even hundreds committed by these migrants so far? I don't think so. Terrorists cells might have come in and are waiting to do something big?
There are 2.9 million felonies/ yr. in the USA which means, roughly 1 % of the population is criminal in 1 year. Expand that to within a 25 year period and the percentage of the criminal class goes up. It is estimated that 8% of the population have a felony conviction. Applying that to 12 million and we have likely allowed over 1 million potential criminals. Get rid of them - if you can find them, but most of the rest of them are not criminally minded, just want a better life. That said, given the relaxed laws on crime in California where one can go in a convenience store and just rip off what they want, that multiplies the temptation- especially when you are starving. The best of us would steal if we were starving. Heck I might commit a crime if I was homeless, broke and starving in order to get arrested to have a place to sleep and food to eat in a cell out of the cold- for the winter.
It's a conundrum!

 

[MA2444]

Doesn't the Bible say that all have sinned and all of us before we are cleansed by Christ are like dirty rags. The best case scenario is that 1/3 of them are Christians. Most Hispanics coming from Central or South America are Catholic.
Let's look at the likelihood of crime. They claim there are 600k criminals among them. That would be about 5% of their population. Maybe it's a higher percentage?
In our country there are about 21k murders/yr. That means 1 out of 15k people commit a murder in any given year. Even if we took a 25 year record, still that would imply 1 out of 600 people from 15- 40 yeats of age has committed a murder.
If we applied that to 12
million, 20k might be potential murderers in their lives.
But have we experienced anywhere near thousands of murders or even hundreds committed by these migrants so far? I don't think so. Terrorists cells might have come in and are waiting to do something big?
There are 2.9 million felonies/ yr. in the USA which means, roughly 1 % of the population is criminal in 1 year. Expand that to within a 25 year period and the percentage of the criminal class goes up. It is estimated that 8% of the population have a felony conviction. Applying that to 12 million and we have likely allowed over 1 million potential criminals. Get rid of them - if you can find them, but most of the rest of them are not criminally minded, just want a better life. That said, given the relaxed laws on crime in California where one can go in a convenience store and just rip off what they want, that multiplies the temptation- especially when you are starving. The best of us would steal if we were starving. Heck I might commit a crime if I was homeless, broke and starving in order to get arrested to have a place to sleep and food to eat in a cell out of the cold- for the winter.
It's a conundrum!

I never had to lie to get a job and I never had to steal to get ahead.

I'm not against helping people, but the Lord hasnt crossed my path with a needy migrant yet so, seeing as we are in a state of war I'm not likely to go looking for them. Now that Trump will be back in office, there is a lot of work to be done to bring this country back. The time has come to stand up for our Nation and our people. We're at the bottom of the totem pole and everything is against us. Our government with the Elites and Biden and all that, the migrants are going to be shorted on what the democrats shorted them by losing the election. Do you think they will be nice about being stranded in a strange land...or turn on the people even more so than they have done already?

I think you're being a wee bit naive about the migrants and how we should love them. Could that possibly be because migrants have not come to your neighbrohood yet or given you any trouble personally? There's some Americans in an apartment complex near Denver that have felt the heat from the migrants. They might feel differently than you.

They havent been to my neighbrohood that I can tell either, praise the Lord. But they are here in the US. Millions of them. And just because the bullets arent flying yet doesnt mean that there is no war going on and who knows that better but us Christians? The Bible reads just like the Newspaper nowadays. We wrestle not with Flesh and Blood, but with the demonic spirits which entice the people to steal/kill/destroy. And spiritual war is very much just as dangerous as man's coventional war is. It's easy to see that evil has ramped up in the world. We have to be ready for it to get bad. Because I guarentee you that they have a Plan B...if they lose.

Help the needy that you are able to that the Lord sends across your path, and be locked & loaded just in case they pull out more evil than you or I ever seen before.

 

[MA2444]

And yes, give charity, supply the needs of the needy, that is absolutely our mandate from God. However, we should give to them what is ours to give, not take from someone else to give.

Much love!

That about sums it up really. Dont trust too fast, and even if you do get some trust...trust, but verify.

The Lord told me one time when we were talking that, do not let anyone into my inner circle of trust unless He approves them! Truth.

 

[Wrangler]

Doesn't the Bible say that all have sinned

Odd that you keep trying to make this political and social problem a matter of religious application, which applies at an individual level. Sure, I can love my enemies while I carry out my mission in war to arrange a meeting between them and their maker.

 

[Grailhunter]

Doesn't the Bible say that all have sinned and all of us before we are cleansed by Christ are like dirty rags. The best case scenario is that 1/3 of them are Christians. Most Hispanics coming from Central or South America are Catholic.
Let's look at the likelihood of crime. They claim there are 600k criminals among them. That would be about 5% of their population. Maybe it's a higher percentage?
In our country there are about 21k murders/yr. That means 1 out of 15k people commit a murder in any given year. Even if we took a 25 year record, still that would imply 1 out of 600 people from 15- 40 yeats of age has committed a murder.
If we applied that to 12
million, 20k might be potential murderers in their lives.
But have we experienced anywhere near thousands of murders or even hundreds committed by these migrants so far? I don't think so. Terrorists cells might have come in and are waiting to do something big?
There are 2.9 million felonies/ yr. in the USA which means, roughly 1 % of the population is criminal in 1 year. Expand that to within a 25 year period and the percentage of the criminal class goes up. It is estimated that 8% of the population have a felony conviction. Applying that to 12 million and we have likely allowed over 1 million potential criminals. Get rid of them - if you can find them, but most of the rest of them are not criminally minded, just want a better life. That said, given the relaxed laws on crime in California where one can go in a convenience store and just rip off what they want, that multiplies the temptation- especially when you are starving. The best of us would steal if we were starving. Heck I might commit a crime if I was homeless, broke and starving in order to get arrested to have a place to sleep and food to eat in a cell out of the cold- for the winter.
It's a conundrum!

I get what you are saying but in the interest of fairness I side with the American tax payer. Illegal aliens….by law, but the democrats broke the law(s) by allowing them to invade our county….and justice being done the real criminals are the democrats that were involved with allowing this invasion. It is the democrats that should be in prison for breaking these laws and as such were traitors to this country and thoughtlessly burden the citizens of this country. So many ways the democrats are enemies of the state and enemies of God

As it is now these illegal aliens are eligible for more welfare than the actual citizens of this country. What they are legally eligible for and what they are actually getting is another….Then you have protection of criminals in courts and sanctuary cities.

Now I am sure Trump will stop most of that. But then what do you got….millions of homeless and hungry non-citizens attempting to take American jobs while unemployment benefits run out for actual citizens. It is all a recipe for disaster if we do not deport them.

 

[MA2444]

Doesn't the Bible say that all have sinned and all of us before we are cleansed by Christ are like dirty rags. The best case scenario is that 1/3 of them are Christians. Most Hispanics coming from Central or South America are Catholic.
Let's look at the likelihood of crime. They claim there are 600k criminals among them. That would be about 5% of their population. Maybe it's a higher percentage?
In our country there are about 21k murders/yr. That means 1 out of 15k people commit a murder in any given year. Even if we took a 25 year record, still that would imply 1 out of 600 people from 15- 40 yeats of age has committed a murder.
If we applied that to 12
million, 20k might be potential murderers in their lives.
But have we experienced anywhere near thousands of murders or even hundreds committed by these migrants so far? I don't think so. Terrorists cells might have come in and are waiting to do something big?
There are 2.9 million felonies/ yr. in the USA which means, roughly 1 % of the population is criminal in 1 year. Expand that to within a 25 year period and the percentage of the criminal class goes up. It is estimated that 8% of the population have a felony conviction. Applying that to 12 million and we have likely allowed over 1 million potential criminals. Get rid of them - if you can find them, but most of the rest of them are not criminally minded, just want a better life. That said, given the relaxed laws on crime in California where one can go in a convenience store and just rip off what they want, that multiplies the temptation- especially when you are starving. The best of us would steal if we were starving. Heck I might commit a crime if I was homeless, broke and starving in order to get arrested to have a place to sleep and food to eat in a cell out of the cold- for the winter.
It's a conundrum!

I hear what you're saying, but are you, could you be, rationalizing the entire situation?

Why would a man rationalize something? Maybe because, we have been in essentially, peace time and have never had a war on our soil (during our lifetimes). People like thinking, it couldnt happen here, myself included.

Dont get a case of white picket fence syndrome thinking we live somewhere over the rainbow. You can help and love people, but be careful.

I imagine attitudes will change quite a bit after bullets start flying, or Miami is nuked, or 100 other prophecies come to pass. Geez, we could have a worldwide earth quake and then where would we be? (On our Knees!)

God knows there isnt any atheists in foxholes, and He wants the people of the US (and World) to repent and turn to Him! That would do it. America would crumble and be set back 125 years or so overnight.

 

[MA2444]

I get what you are saying but in the interest of fairness I side with the American tax payer. Illegal aliens….by law, but the democrats broke the law(s) by allowing them to invade our county….and justice being done the real criminals are the democrats that were involved with allowing this invasion. It is the democrats that should be in prison for breaking these laws and as such were traitors to this country and thoughtlessly burdened the citizens of this country. So many ways the democrats are enemies of the state and enemies of God

As it is now these illegal aliens are eligible for more welfare than the actual citizens of this country. What they are legally eligible for and what they are actually getting is another….Then you have protection of criminals in courts and sanctuary cities.

Now I am sure Trump will stop most of that. But then what do you got….millions of homeless and hungry non-citizens attempting to take American jobs while unemployment benefits run out for actual citizens. It is all a recipe for disaster if we do not deport them.

Yeah! I heard they was giving illegal migrants checks for $50,000 and keys to an apartment with no rent. And then put it all on the national debt. That aint right.