You have to be raised up by Jesus no one else can do it and you will still have to stand before Jesus in Judgement who will make the final decision.He will raise you up for heaven or for hell there is no death until the lake of fire and no one stays in the grave all souls will be raised up and will stand before Jesus every last one.There are those who are judged in faith and then those who will be Judged in the White thrown judgement where it is said they will be judged by their deeds.No one knows the outcome of that Judgement it has not happened.Christ put a end to death there is only death of the body now.Jesus has clearly said that not all who think they are saved will be saved so I do not agree with universalism its not a free ride the bible is clear on this.That is once saved always saved Christian philosophy it is not doctrine. Be careful with philosophy it might lead you down the wrong path.
The world has been “made right” in front of God.
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How about just sharing how you understand those scriptures in Matt. 13? Are you saying they have already been fulfilled? Aren't they speaking of the end of the world?
Is that what you really want to know my answer to? If so I don’t mind sharing, but not in order to be refuted in your understanding. I’ll share but how I will at this point is very different and a manner of respecting other people’s views.
Thank you to all whom have participated.
The jist' is that to Yahavah. Everyone in the world has already had their sins paid for. Whether or not they continue in sanctification or not is up to them because of their decision to seek out the LORD GOD, Yahavah in faith - even despite their own failures. There are many who openly reject, and even claim the holy spirit of Yahavah is evil - this type of sin is said to not be forgiven "in this lifetime, or in the lifetime to come" - unless of course they repent of their prior stance, at least in my opinion because Yahavah continues to call openly to all, while some openly reject and others humbly understand their condition via the flesh, while in the heart seeking out Yahavah in faith and being made right before him because of the Lord Yeshua, whom grants them the ability to obtain the Spirit of Christ that helps them in their flesh even though their flesh fails.
Some say you can even become so "obstinate in the flesh, that you can make your flesh perfect!" I typically disagree with that type of notion because no flesh shall ever glory in front of Yahavah, it is stated somewhere in scripture as well. Thank you be to the LORD GOD and the Lord Yeshua, whom was risen again after three days of having died on the cross, rising up by the holy spirit of Yahavah in justification of all sins of the world being taken care of! Except that one exceptional willingly obstinate heart - that desires nothing to do with Yahavah at all, by choice - even while all their sins had been taken care of.
The jist' is that to Yahavah. Everyone in the world has already had their sins paid for. Whether or not they continue in sanctification or not is up to them because of their decision to seek out the LORD GOD, Yahavah in faith - even despite their own failures. There are many who openly reject, and even claim the holy spirit of Yahavah is evil - this type of sin is said to not be forgiven "in this lifetime, or in the lifetime to come" - unless of course they repent of their prior stance, at least in my opinion because Yahavah continues to call openly to all, while some openly reject and others humbly understand their condition via the flesh, while in the heart seeking out Yahavah in faith and being made right before him because of the Lord Yeshua, whom grants them the ability to obtain the Spirit of Christ that helps them in their flesh even though their flesh fails.
Some say you can even become so "obstinate in the flesh, that you can make your flesh perfect!" I typically disagree with that type of notion because no flesh shall ever glory in front of Yahavah, it is stated somewhere in scripture as well. Thank you be to the LORD GOD and the Lord Yeshua, whom was risen again after three days of having died on the cross, rising up by the holy spirit of Yahavah in justification of all sins of the world being taken care of! Except that one exceptional willingly obstinate heart - that desires nothing to do with Yahavah at all, by choice - even while all their sins had been taken care of.
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Yes please....I would like to know how you understand that passage in Matt 13. Trying to understand where you are coming from. I assume your point of view is from scripture, how you are seeing certain scriptures..?
NotTheRock
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You're absolutely right. Anne Frank didn't follow Jesus in the time allotted to her on Earth and so Jesus is burning her alive 24/7/365 FOREVER!
NotTheRock
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Pastor Billy Brimstone says that faith is only acceptable to God IF the person has it while still living. After death there are no second chances and those who don't figure it out in time get charbroiled for ETERNITY!
NotTheRock
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Pastor Brimstone agrees with your assessment but adds that faith must be achieved in the time allotted on Earth, otherwise Jesus will torture them forever!
Taken
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All people are Justified in front of God - even with the sin life they lived.
Well ya…
Justified DOES NOT MEAN (saved, forgiven, etc.)…
RATHER…Justified means:
Rightly Judged, Sentenced, Accounted according to Gods Standard of Righteousness….which applies to…
ALL Unrepentant and Repentant humans.
Glory to God,
Taken
Well ya…
Justified DOES NOT MEAN (saved, forgiven, etc.)…
RATHER…Justified means:
Rightly Judged, Sentenced, Accounted according to Gods Standard of Righteousness….which applies to…
ALL Unrepentant and Repentant humans.
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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“Humans are NOT “tortured” forever”!
Humans are the makeup of … a wholeness …
A body
A soul
A spirit
A human…WILL be MADE…
Soul saved…(restored)
Spirit born again…(quickened)
Body glorified….(made holy)
Life in/of the Soul, Spirit, Body PRESENT…
And shall LIVE FOREVER.
OR…
Soul … not saved…it’s LIFE (God breath) removed.
Spirit…. Not born again (does not receive Gods seed.)
Body…..Not made glorified…
Life in/of the Soul, the Spirit, the Body VOID…
And the LIFE-LESS body, soul, spirit DESTROYED and their memory FORGOTTEN.
(LIFE-LESS..body’s, souls, spirits…feel, see, hear, smell, speak, know, NOTHING!!
TORTURE is irrelevant to a LIFELESS being.)
Created Celestial SPIRITS HAVE NO DEATH “sentence” / “requirement” / “ability”.
They SHALL LIVE FOREVER…
WITH or WITHOUT the Lord God Almighty.
Those WITH…shall continue their PURPOSE to Serve God IN Gods Presence, according to righteous holiness.
Those WITHOUT…shall continue their freewill choosing to betray God, stand against God…
And SHALL forever Be (in unpleasant surroundings) Separated FROM Gods Presence.
Glory to God,
Taken
Hello NotTheRock,
If you could just point out to me in the Bible where it says “no second chances” explicitly like so, I would love for you to share it with me. I’ve never seen it in the Bible. That goes so much to say that people should believe what man says, compared to what Yahavah has stated and has made possible for all people; I think even to get to Yahavah in the afterlife once they choose to do so… some may never: could take forever.
Lambano
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If I may correct that slightly...
"To Justify", δικαιόω ("dikaioo", Strong's G1344), is a forensic term that means
3. To declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be.
Which means the Judge as found in your favor. And I don't think that is applicable to all people.
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of Torah. - Romans 3:28.
Do you know of any scriptures that teach there is a second chance after death? I only see a second death.
Well the passage I quoted in particular, because of the point I was making with it........but if you want or need to bring in the rest of the chapter or even other scriptures, by all means do so.
Hello Lizbeth,
A second death could be a dying to the self in the afterlife. (Of course that is a subjective held view that may be right or may be wrong.)
My view is that this world will never end, but the world of the Jewish people in the Mosasic Age, did end. (Of course this is a subjectively held view that I believe is correct.) Can I ask you what is the point of having a never-ending Kingdom, if this world is going to end with people coming to the Lord Yeshua?
@Taken.
This is the question for me. If Jesus Christ paid for the sins of all people, that makes the death of Jesus justified in taking care of all sins before Yahavah.
Is that taking it to far for some? I've stated before that yes, we are justified by faith - however is Jesus and his death justification for all peoples sins, or not?
Many would suggest no, but that would be wrong wouldn't it? It means Jesus would need to die over and over and over again, in order to justify the world's sins over and over again, which would be incorrect. That is why without telling someone to repent, I can freely say "Your sins have been taken care of by the Lord Jesus Christ" no matter who they are. Whether or not they believe that or not is upon them, he was raised on the third day for this justification and the merit of reconciling the whole world to his Father, by his Father working in and through the Lord.
People have asserted that I am talking about faith making a person right with God, but I haven't been.
Behold
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Jesus has died for the sin of the world.. however, this Salvation is applied ... one believer at a time.
So, the offer of Jesus's Cross is offered to everyone.. but to have it applied to you by God.... is by your "FAITH"
OUr "Faith.. is counted by God"........or you dont receive God's Salvation.
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