First fruits of them that slept(the first resurection)

[David in NJ]

Literally impossible as main harvest follows firstfruits.
You have firstfruits totally misplaced.

We see the 144k in heaven.
They are firstfruit Jews.
Nothing crafty or cunning changes that fact.

Their cannot be firstfruits without main harvest.
The group of Rev 14:14 follows the 144k firstfruit Jews.
That group is not the rapture of 1 thes 4.

It is strictly Jewish harvest.
What you are doing is saying the fruit and wheat harvest are the same harvest.

You need to understand Romans 9-11.
Read those and you will see what is actually going on.

It is strictly Jewish harvest.

Nope

 

[David in NJ]

Literally impossible as main harvest follows firstfruits.
You have firstfruits totally misplaced.

We see the 144k in heaven.
They are firstfruit Jews.
Nothing crafty or cunning changes that fact.

Their cannot be firstfruits without main harvest.
The group of Rev 14:14 follows the 144k firstfruit Jews.
That group is not the rapture of 1 thes 4.

It is strictly Jewish harvest.
What you are doing is saying the fruit and wheat harvest are the same harvest.

You need to understand Romans 9-11.
Read those and you will see what is actually going on.

Their cannot be firstfruits without main harvest.

100% TRUTH

We see the 144k in heaven.
They are firstfruit Jews.

Nope

It is strictly Jewish harvest.

Nope

What you are doing is saying the fruit and wheat harvest are the same harvest.

YEP = Only ONE that Began a long time ago and Culminates at His Second Coming

 

[tailgator]

These all DIED for they came 'out of' the Great Tribulation.


Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come 'out of' the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


out of
ἐκ (ek)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1537: From out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards.
A primary preposition denoting origin, from, out.

Coming out of great tribulation does not mean they came out of the soil like the144,000.

 

[tailgator]

Literally impossible as main harvest follows firstfruits.
You have firstfruits totally misplaced.

We see the 144k in heaven.
They are firstfruit Jews.
Nothing crafty or cunning changes that fact.

Their cannot be firstfruits without main harvest.
The group of Rev 14:14 follows the 144k firstfruit Jews.
That group is not the rapture of 1 thes 4.

It is strictly Jewish harvest.
What you are doing is saying the fruit and wheat harvest are the same harvest.

You need to understand Romans 9-11.
Read those and you will see what is actually going on.

The 144,000 are the first fruits just as scripture says
The regular harvest comes after the first fruits.

The first fruits are resurected before the millinium and the regular harvest is after the millinium

Do I need to quote the scripture showing when the first resurection takes place and then the regular resurrection?

 

[David in NJ]

Coming out of great tribulation does not mean they came out of the soil like the144,000.

There are no resurrected bodies in Revelation until you get to chapter 20.

 

[tailgator]

There are no resurrected bodies in Revelation until you get to chapter 20.

Being redeemed from soil is resurrection.

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

"redeemed from the earth."


Keep in mind.It wasn't till the 15 century that man started calling this planet earth.
Before then ,earth was what the ground was called .Ground,soil is what the144,000 are redeemed from.

The 144000 being the first fruits of the harvest are redeemed from soil.


Word: gh

Pronounce: ghay

Strongs Number: G1093

Orig: contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Use: TDNT-1:677,116 Noun Feminine

Heb Strong: H127 H178 H376 H776 H841 H953 H1250 H1366 H1471 H1516 H1870 H2022 H2465 H2724 H3004 H4725 H5892 H5971 H6010 H6083 H6160 H6850 H7704 H8397

1. 1) arable land2) the ground, the earth as a standing place3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water4) the earth as a whole4a) the earth as opposed to the heavens4b) the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region

 

[David in NJ]

Being redeemed from soil is resurrection.

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

"redeemed from the earth."


Keep in mind.It wasn't till the 15 century that man started calling this planet earth.
Before then ,earth was what the ground was called .Ground,soil is what the144,000 are redeemed from.

The 144000 being the first fruits of the harvest are redeemed from soil.


Word: gh

Pronounce: ghay

Strongs Number: G1093

Orig: contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Use: TDNT-1:677,116 Noun Feminine

Heb Strong: H127 H178 H376 H776 H841 H953 H1250 H1366 H1471 H1516 H1870 H2022 H2465 H2724 H3004 H4725 H5892 H5971 H6010 H6083 H6160 H6850 H7704 H8397

1. 1) arable land2) the ground, the earth as a standing place3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water4) the earth as a whole4a) the earth as opposed to the heavens4b) the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region

All who are in Christ are Redeemed from the earth = 1 John 3:1-3

also Rev chapter 5
Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice:

“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
13And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:

“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”
14Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!”
And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The 144,000 are the first fruits just as scripture says
The regular harvest comes after the first fruits.

The first fruits are resurected before the millinium and the regular harvest is after the millinium

Do I need to quote the scripture showing when the first resurection takes place and then the regular resurrection?

It says they are firstfruit Jews.
Which puts them outside of what your position was earlier.

 

[David in NJ]

Being redeemed from soil is resurrection.

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

"redeemed from the earth."


Keep in mind.It wasn't till the 15 century that man started calling this planet earth.
Before then ,earth was what the ground was called .Ground,soil is what the144,000 are redeemed from.

The 144000 being the first fruits of the harvest are redeemed from soil.


Word: gh

Pronounce: ghay

Strongs Number: G1093

Orig: contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Use: TDNT-1:677,116 Noun Feminine

Heb Strong: H127 H178 H376 H776 H841 H953 H1250 H1366 H1471 H1516 H1870 H2022 H2465 H2724 H3004 H4725 H5892 H5971 H6010 H6083 H6160 H6850 H7704 H8397

1. 1) arable land2) the ground, the earth as a standing place3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water4) the earth as a whole4a) the earth as opposed to the heavens4b) the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region

Now, you can absolutely make a point that there are repeating revealings in Revelation of His Second Coming.

You can make the ascertion that Revelation chapter 7 is a repeating prophetic view of His Second Coming just as in Chapter 6:12-17,
whereby each revealing has specific aspects of prophecy in direct relation to His Second Coming such as we SEE in Chapters 11 and 19 and 20

 

[rebuilder 454]

100% TRUTH

Nope


Nope


YEP = Only ONE that Began a long time ago and Culminates at His Second Coming

Read Rev 14.
You do not know what you are talking about.
But if you need it changed then I can't help you.

 

[David in NJ]

It says they are firstfruit Jews.
Which puts them outside of what your position was earlier.

Read Rev 14.
You do not know what you are talking about.
But if you need it changed then I can't help you.

pre-trib has you confused and adding to God's words what HE never said

 

[David in NJ]

Read Rev 14.
You do not know what you are talking about.
But if you need it changed then I can't help you.

God Says the Body of Christ are the 12 Tribes of Revelation chapter 7

BELIEVE what God Says and reject the false doctrines of men.

 

[tailgator]

It says they are firstfruit Jews.
Which puts them outside of what your position was earlier.

False.
They are not called firstfruits Jews.
Jews is no where in verses about the the first fruits.Thry are 12,000 from 12 tribes of Israel .

Not first fruit Jews.

 

[tailgator]

Instead of accepting the correction made on your false doctrine, you ignore the subject and attack the other person. You are shameful and going back to my ignore list.

You openly acknowledge you don't know anything about the subject.

Exodus 19:6
And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’ This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.”


I posted this verse so that you might learn something.Then you answered by saying it is impossible to know what nationality this holy nation and kingdom of priests is .
You have to be blind to not know who they are or your simply ignoring the word of God for the sake of argument.

 

[tailgator]

Instead of accepting the correction made on your false doctrine, you ignore the subject and attack the other person. You are shameful and going back to my ignore list.

This is what you call false doctrine.

Ezekiel 37

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,





So I say they are Israel ,then you come back saying you can't know what nationality they are because the Bible doesn't say.The bible says throughout the bible who they are but you ignore the Bible

 

[tailgator]

All who are in Christ are Redeemed from the earth = 1 John 3:1-3

also Rev chapter 5
Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice:

“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
13And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:

“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”
14Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!”
And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”



The funny thing about the people in the land of Israeli today where the beast rules, is they are from every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
Like the waters where the prostitute sits.

Revelation 17:15
Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.




Have you ever looked at the list of nations they all migrated from ?

 

[David in NJ]

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”



The funny thing about the people in the land of Israeli today where the beast rules, is they are from every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
Like the waters where the prostitute sits.

Revelation 17:15
Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.




Have you ever looked at the list of nations they all migrated from ?

Good point.

This could easily be speaking of the USA

 

[tailgator]

Good point.

This could easily be speaking of the USA

But they are not in the USA when Gog comes against them and surrounds them.

Revelation 20
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.



In fact,Gog does not come against the USA.He comes against Israel

Ezekiel 38.
14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

 

[rebuilder 454]

It says they are firstfruit Jews.
Which puts them outside of what your position was earlier.

False.
They are not called firstfruits Jews.
Jews is no where in verses about the the first fruits.Thry are 12,000 from 12 tribes of Israel .

Not first fruit Jews.

Was Jesus a Jew?

I don't know why you are challenging ethnicity.

What ethnicity are the 144k?

 

[rebuilder 454]

First fruits period

The first fruits are gathered at the time of harvest and are presented to the high priest in Jerusalem.
They are gathered after the tribulation during the time of God's wrath.


Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

After the tribulation Jesus comes from heaven on white horses with millions of saints that is in Revelation 19 and Revelation 19 is after the tribulation. I don't know what you're trying to prove with that passage of scripture from Matthew 24, but you basically just declared that angels are gathering in heaven after the tribulation. I hope you're not trying to transpose that on to Jesus Gathering from Earth. I hope you're not trying to twist that verse around