Is the Bible the word of God?

[TonyChanYT]

Loosely speaking, yes.

Some people think the KJV is the word of God, but God did not speak to Abraham in English. Technically, I consider the Bible a translation of a recording of the word of God.

One problem is that there is no universal definition of the Bible. The Protestant Bible has 66 books; Catholic, 73 books; Orthodox, 81 books; Ethiopian, 86 books.

Let's arbitrarily fix a definition of the Bible as defined by the 66 books of the Protestant canon. Still, there is a problem: Which ancient manuscripts are the word of God? Matthew 17:21 is missing from NIV because of its choice of manuscripts.

Moreover, some passages are clearly words of God, Numbers 9:

6 But there were some men who were unclean due to a dead body, so they could not observe the Passover on that day. And they came before Moses and Aaron that same day 7 and said to Moses, “We are unclean because of a dead body, but why should we be excluded from presenting the LORD’s offering with the other Israelites at the appointed time?”
8“Wait here until I find out what the LORD commands concerning you,” Moses replied.
9 Then the LORD said to Moses, 10“Tell the Israelites: ‘When any one of you or your descendants is unclean because of a dead body, or is away on a journey, he may still observe the Passover to the LORD.

Other passages are not so clear, 1 Corinthians 7:

12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.

In any case, whether it is direct quotations from God or Paul's personal opinions, 2 Timothy 3:

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:

21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Is the Bible the word of God?

Yes, loosely speaking.

No, if you want to be precise about it.

Is the Bible infallible or inerrant?

It is better to stick to the wording of the Bible and say that all Scripture is God-breathed.

How do the OT and NT Scriptures differ from other religious scriptures?

The Bible records history from the beginning to the end. It records the acts of historical figures (Adam, Jesus) and how they interacted with the one true God.

See also Was Acts 7:16 inspired?.

 

[Bob Estey]

Loosely speaking, yes.

Some people think the KJV is the word of God, but God did not speak to Abraham in English. Technically, I consider the Bible a translation of a recording of the word of God.

One problem is that there is no universal definition of the Bible. The Protestant Bible has 66 books; Catholic, 73 books; Orthodox, 81 books; Ethiopian, 86 books.

Let's arbitrarily fix a definition of the Bible as defined by the 66 books of the Protestant canon. Still, there is a problem: Which ancient manuscripts are the word of God? Matthew 17:21 is missing from NIV because of its choice of manuscripts.

Moreover, some passages are clearly words of God, Numbers 9:


Other passages are not so clear, 1 Corinthians 7:


In any case, whether it is direct quotations from God or Paul's personal opinions, 2 Timothy 3:


2 Peter 1:


Is the Bible the word of God?

Yes, loosely speaking.

No, if you want to be precise about it.

Is the Bible infallible or inerrant?

It is better to stick to the wording of the Bible and say that all Scripture is God-breathed.

How do the OT and NT Scriptures differ from other religious scriptures?

The Bible records history from the beginning to the end. It records the acts of historical figures (Adam, Jesus) and how they interacted with the one true God.

See also Was Acts 7:16 inspired?.

I believe the Word of God are those instances in the Bible where God or Jesus are directly quoted.

 

[One 2 question]

The Bible records history from the beginning to the end.

Just a quick question. Are you refering to human history, beginning to end?

 

[JohnDB]

Loosely speaking, yes.

I would not say "loosely speaking".

The standard Protestant English Bibles ARE the Wörd of God. Not just the words but God's essence in EVERY language.

The Gospel of John, chapter 1 verse 14 explains that Jesus is the Wörd made flesh.

So while you might have your excuses and point at others that publish extra-biblical books along side of scriptures....it doesn't change a thing.

It is what it is....your beliefs don't make a bit of difference.

 

[One 2 question]

I would not say "loosely speaking".

The standard Protestant English Bibles ARE the Wörd of God. Not just the words but God's essence in EVERY language.

The Gospel of John, chapter 1 verse 14 explains that Jesus is the Wörd made flesh.

When did the Word of God the Father Who became flesh, then become a book? When did the Person transform into a compilation of scrolls?

So while you might have your excuses and point at others that publish extra-biblical books along side of scriptures....it doesn't change a thing.

Are you saying that every word that proceeds from the mouth of God is contained in 66 books?

It is what it is....your beliefs don't make a bit of difference.

You lost me there.

 

[JohnDB]

When did the Word of God the Father Who became flesh, then become a book? When did the Person transform into a compilation of scrolls?



Are you saying that every word that proceeds from the mouth of God is contained in 66 books?


You lost me there.

Right....I lost you from the first words I said obviously.

The essence of scriptures is the essence of God. You want to know God? Then know the scriptures. Ignorance of scriptures, that you have full access to, can kill you not in mortal life but your immortality is gonna be real iffy.
You either have issues in OZ or you don't.

 

[JohnDB]

1Peter 1:
23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”

 

[RedFan]

I enjoy watching these debates over whether the Bible is the Word of God unfold. And I roll my eyes each time the argument relies on ipse dixit. Just once, I would love to see a entire thread on this topic forego any quotes from the Bible declaring itself to be the word of God. Just once, no circular argument. Just once, no lifting oneself up from one's own boot straps. Just once, no appeal to 2 Tim. 3:16. Just once, no denials that the Bible is without contradictions. Just once, no hiding behind copyist errors when such contradictions are pointed out.

 

[JohnDB]

I enjoy watching these debates over whether the Bible is the Word of God unfold. And I roll my eyes each time the argument relies on ipse dixit. Just once, I would love to see a entire thread on this topic forego any quotes from the Bible declaring itself to be the word of God. Just once, no circular argument. Just once, no lifting oneself up from one's own boot straps. Just once, no appeal to 2 Tim. 3:16. Just once, no denials that the Bible is without contradictions. Just once, no hiding behind copyist errors when such contradictions are pointed out.

Well we can get into apologetics....but that's not what was asked.

But you can read the "Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy" by Googleing it and reading it in its entirely.

Then get back to me.
Wouldn't want you to come to battle of wits unarmed.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Bible is not God, most definitely not...it’s been written by men, even though they were under the influence of the Spirit,..just remember that men are fallible.

Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit, is not fallible, he is the one who supernaturally births our spirit into his Spirit,= Spirit gives birth to spirit.

God is a Living Spirit.who supernaturally brings about the rebirth, he does this by the power of his almighty Spirit.
Just as his word says.
We know God in our heart.thats where he plants his supernatural seed, The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods spirit children..it comes by divine heart revelation.

Here he is talking about his Living Spirit, that is everywhere, knows the depth of your heart and my heart, you can never fake your true heart to God.

He knows our heart better than we know it ourself..always come before him with a sincere heart, he Loves that.

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◄ Hebrews 4:12 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. New Living Translation For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires. English Standard Version For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Berean Standard Bible For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 1 Corinthians 2​ ​ King James Version​ ​ ​ 2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ

 

[RedFan]

Well we can get into apologetics....but that's not what was asked.

But you can read the "Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy" by Googleing it and reading it in its entirely.

Then get back to me.
Wouldn't want you to come to battle of wits unarmed.

I read it quite some time ago, and was underwhelmed. It distinguishes between the "autographic text of Scripture" and "copies or translations of Scripture," and notes that the latter may not be inerrant. That makes it rather impractical, since all of us are reading "copies or translations" and not the "autographic text of Scripture" (which no longer exist). And it doesn't help to read that these copies and translations are reliable to the extent that they "faithfully represent the original." How would I ascertain that? ,

 

[APAK]

Loosely speaking, yes.

Some people think the KJV is the word of God, but God did not speak to Abraham in English. Technically, I consider the Bible a translation of a recording of the word of God.

One problem is that there is no universal definition of the Bible. The Protestant Bible has 66 books; Catholic, 73 books; Orthodox, 81 books; Ethiopian, 86 books.

Let's arbitrarily fix a definition of the Bible as defined by the 66 books of the Protestant canon. Still, there is a problem: Which ancient manuscripts are the word of God? Matthew 17:21 is missing from NIV because of its choice of manuscripts.

Moreover, some passages are clearly words of God, Numbers 9:


Other passages are not so clear, 1 Corinthians 7:


In any case, whether it is direct quotations from God or Paul's personal opinions, 2 Timothy 3:


2 Peter 1:


Is the Bible the word of God?

Yes, loosely speaking.

No, if you want to be precise about it.

Is the Bible infallible or inerrant?

It is better to stick to the wording of the Bible and say that all Scripture is God-breathed.

How do the OT and NT Scriptures differ from other religious scriptures?

The Bible records history from the beginning to the end. It records the acts of historical figures (Adam, Jesus) and how they interacted with the one true God.

See also Was Acts 7:16 inspired?.

You do a major injustice to the word or logos of God as if it is only limited to written words.

It is the essence of God's inner core....!

Do you believe truly in the logos of God or only in parts, or only with or in specific associations or areas?

Is this the same logos as in John 1:1 or another word of God? That is the question for you and many others. The word or logos is the same when applied to God. God first expresses himself (logos) internally as a thought, plan or purpose, then executes it with his pure spirit, with power.

If you believe in another word of God as only for scripture then I doubt you believe in scripture, as the the inspired and conceived expression of God that his Son, Jesus later possessed.

Now of course it can then be quickly altered and manipulated by man has many times after its initial reception.

In John 1:1, the Greek term 'logos' (λόγος) is translated to word. This concept of logos is central to understanding the nature of God the Father and creator.

The logos is identified as being “with God” (ἐν τῷ θεῷ) and “was (towards or intrinsically a part of) God” (ἦν ὁ θεός). This implies a unity of nature and essence between his personal logos, as the one God, making it a divine entity, as the core of God, then expressed through his spirit.

The logos is responsible for the creation of all things (πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο). This highlights its role as the agent/expression of God’s creative power.

The logos is also described as the source of life (ἐν αὐτῷ ἦν ἡ ζωή) and the light of humanity (καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν ἡ λoğos). This emphasizes its/his role as the embodiment of his (God’s) life-giving and illuminating presence.

And this word of God was later at one point in time, embodied and possessed in the human being we call Jesus the Christ.

In Christian theology, the logos is often seen as the very essence of God’s communication and revelation.

Divine Speech: The logos is often understood as the divine speech or word that brings creation into being and sustains it. This speech is seen as the very voice of God, conveying His will and intention. It is God's expression as the written scripture.

The written word(s) of God, the Bible, is often viewed as a manifestation of the logos, containing the divine speech and wisdom of God to mankind and his creation.

The word or logos is derived from God and not his Son as most want to believe in without any foundation.
It is responsible for creation
It is the source of life and light
It is tied to God’s communication and revelation
It became embodied in Jesus Christ, the son of God

This understanding of the logos has far-reaching implications for Christian theology, emphasizing the unity of God and then later with his son, Jesus Christ, the role of Scripture as divine revelation, and the nature of God’s communication with humanity.

 

[Fred J]

Loosely speaking, yes.

Some people think the KJV is the word of God, but God did not speak to Abraham in English. Technically, I consider the Bible a translation of a recording of the word of God.

One problem is that there is no universal definition of the Bible. The Protestant Bible has 66 books; Catholic, 73 books; Orthodox, 81 books; Ethiopian, 86 books.

Let's arbitrarily fix a definition of the Bible as defined by the 66 books of the Protestant canon. Still, there is a problem: Which ancient manuscripts are the word of God? Matthew 17:21 is missing from NIV because of its choice of manuscripts.

Moreover, some passages are clearly words of God, Numbers 9:


Other passages are not so clear, 1 Corinthians 7:


In any case, whether it is direct quotations from God or Paul's personal opinions, 2 Timothy 3:


2 Peter 1:


Is the Bible the word of God?

Yes, loosely speaking.

No, if you want to be precise about it.

Is the Bible infallible or inerrant?

It is better to stick to the wording of the Bible and say that all Scripture is God-breathed.

How do the OT and NT Scriptures differ from other religious scriptures?

The Bible records history from the beginning to the end. It records the acts of historical figures (Adam, Jesus) and how they interacted with the one true God.

See also Was Acts 7:16 inspired?.

To all translation that are close to the KJV version, and compatible with one another, even though short for words, are all inspired. Therefore finally arrive and stick to the KJV version and thoroughly disciple, is truly and fully inspirational.

These are breathed out by GOD for men to have them all written down, and have had them canonized as 'all scripture'. Whilst furthermore are translated to other languages and versions, for various form and ability of readers. They are all apparently the testimonial stories of GOD breathed out through these men and written down, therefore is the 'word of GOD'.

These are truly man of GOD of none status, stature, nor education, lived in separate places and in different time, from one another. They're not at all like the renowned historian men of this world, who witness for themselves and have things written down for the world.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[JohnDB]

I read it quite some time ago, and was underwhelmed. It distinguishes between the "autographic text of Scripture" and "copies or translations of Scripture," and notes that the latter may not be inerrant. That makes it rather impractical, since all of us are reading "copies or translations" and not the "autographic text of Scripture" (which no longer exist). And it doesn't help to read that these copies and translations are reliable to the extent that they "faithfully represent the original." How would I ascertain that? ,

Because of the plethora of consistent copies and recitations of scriptures in literature outside of scriptures themselves.
There have been so many quotes of scriptures in various writings and letters and books we could reconstruct the entirety of scriptures without a copy of an intact Bible itself.
These writings are all over Greece, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, India, Europe, Northern Africa, and sub-Saharan Africa.

 

[One 2 question]

Right....I lost you from the first words I said obviously.

The essence of scriptures is the essence of God. You want to know God? Then know the scriptures. Ignorance of scriptures, that you have full access to, can kill you not in mortal life but your immortality is gonna be real iffy.
You either have issues in OZ or you don't.

Thanks for responding.

My experience has taught me this, to get to know God, accept the revelation His Spirit brings by whatever means He chooses to use.

For you it appears to be through the scriptures. For me it's through the pictures or parables He gives me diectly. For others it's through dreams. For others the Spirit speaks audibly. For some visions. Others tongues, interpretation of tongues, nature, teachers, phophecy and the list goes on.

For some time my diet consisted of only the scriptures. These days it consist of maybe 5% scriptures.

I've come to know God so much more since being open to the Spirit leading me throughout each day without the use of the bible. It was challenging at first and was a real fear as I was taught to only trust the scriptures. Now that I've put it to the test I've found this to be a false fear. I can survive without the scriptures, the bible. In fact, in my experience, my relationship with my Creator has grown heaps through the Spirit without the bible.

I'm not saying you have to do as I do. Equally I don't think you are telling me to do as you do. Is that right?

 

[JohnDB]

Thanks for responding.

My experience has taught me this, to get to know God, accept the revelation His Spirit brings by whatever means He chooses to use.

For you it appears to be through the scriptures. For me it's through the pictures or parables He gives me diectly. For others it's through dreams. For others the Spirit speaks audibly. For some visions. Others tongues, interpretation of tongues, nature, teachers, phophecy and the list goes on.

For some time my diet consisted of only the scriptures. These days it consist of maybe 5% scriptures.

I've come to know God so much more since being open to the Spirit leading me throughout each day without the use of the bible. It was challenging at first and was a real fear as I was taught to only trust the scriptures. Now that I've put it to the test I've found this to be a false fear. I can survive without the scriptures, the bible. In fact, in my experience, my relationship with my Creator has grown heaps through the Spirit without the bible.

I'm not saying you have to do as I do. Equally I don't think you are telling me to do as you do. Is that right?

Remember,
God doesn't change....He is immutable.

Meaning that your revelation of God has to line up with what the scriptures teach. So long as that is going on you will have no problem at all with anything I say. Now granted, a LOT of people interpret the scriptures in a LOT of different way to make it say things God never intended....that's been going on for thousands of years now.

And we certainly do not worship the created things instead of the Creator.

Dreams?
They are tricky. A rich dinner can create all sorts of vivid dreams....even some can be centered around Christian themes but that doesn't mean they are from God. (People are imaginative....look at all the various ways they invent to sin)

Personally,
I find people need a good hermeneutics course....because scripture needs a guide anymore to understand the writing that started around 5,700 years ago, finished just shy of 2000 years ago in a different culture with a very different set of customs and practices. And flat reading (which most people do) is NOT the path to understanding what was written or why it was written.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Is the bible the revealed word of God?
Is there anything about it that would indicate that it is different from other religious books.

Well for a book comprised of many other books, written over several thousand years, by many different authors.
It is remarkable in its historical accuracy and from a backwater state its historical accuracy shames what
was the leading cultural country in its time.

It has a consistency in how it views people, uniquely it proclaims equal fair treatment for all.
Being based in history it can be checked and so far has stood up to all examinations.

Lastly it's spiritual message is one that people would not invent.
That of a God coming to earth as a peasant to die for a people who have rejected him.

 

[amigo de christo]

I enjoy watching these debates over whether the Bible is the Word of God unfold. And I roll my eyes each time the argument relies on ipse dixit. Just once, I would love to see a entire thread on this topic forego any quotes from the Bible declaring itself to be the word of God. Just once, no circular argument. Just once, no lifting oneself up from one's own boot straps. Just once, no appeal to 2 Tim. 3:16. Just once, no denials that the Bible is without contradictions. Just once, no hiding behind copyist errors when such contradictions are pointed out.

well both peter and pual made it clear that the scrips were not of man BUT OF GOD .
There is a couple of reminders .

 

[One 2 question]

well both peter and pual made it clear that the scrips were not of man BUT OF GOD .
There is a couple of reminders .

What constitutes the scriptures? What specific scrolls? When did they start and when did they finish? Or have they finished? Lastly, who determined the above?

 

[amigo de christo]

What constitutes the scriptures? What specific scrolls? When did they start and when did they finish? Or have they finished? Lastly, who determined the above?

What is truth . Many believe they know and yet know not the truth .
Cursed are they whose hope be in men . Blessed is the man whose Hope is in the LORD .
You been heeding the wrong men friend . Many have come to deceive .
And as they holler it was men who wrote and inspired the bible
many seem to forget that its men of today who are simply pumping out their own false knowledge
and doing all to try and cause people to doubt in what GOD has said , what GOD inspired through TRUE MEN
in that bible . Carnal wisdom is always learning and never able to come to the truth .
And many who heed the flesh sure seem to love its wisdom that be contrary to GOD and to HIS words .