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Jewish Israel and the Islamic peoples will not be present after the Sixth Seal.
The current Jewish State of Israel and the surrounding Muslin nations and entities, are Prophesied to be gone after the great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, which is the next Prophesied event we can expect. Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +

Of the House of Judah, the Jewish people: the Lord says:
Isaiah 3:1-7 The Lord is about to strip Judah of every good leader. He will appoint incompetent youths to lead them.

Isaiah 3:8-9 Jerusalem/ Judah is brought low, they defy the Lord and rebel against Him. The look on their faces testifies against them, like Sodom; they parade their sins.
Woe betide Judah, they have earned the disaster that strikes them.


Isaiah 3:24-25 As tongues of fire burns up the chaff…..for they have spurned the Lords instruction and rejected the Word of the Holy One. The anger of the Lord is roused against His people and He strikes them down…..corpses lie like refuse in the streets.

Isaiah 22:14 Words revealed from the Lord: Assuredly your wickedness will never be wiped out. You will die for it.

Jeremiah 2:28-30 ….Judah has as many gods as towns, you are rebels, every one of you. I have punished you, but the lesson was not learned.

Jeremiah 5:1-14 Search Jerusalem for anyone who acts justly, who seeks the truth…..They refuse to learn and make their faces like flint…..Shall I fail to punish Judah for this?... I shall burn up this people like brushwood.

Jeremiah 8:8&12 How can you say: We are wise, we have the Law of the Lord, when the scribes with their lying pens have falsified it?

They ought to be ashamed, but they have no sense of shame. Therefore; Judah will fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning.


Jeremiah 11:14-16 So; do not pray for these people, raise no plea or prayer on their behalf, for I shall not listen when they call to Me in the hour of disaster. They have no right to be in My house. [Holy Land] Once the Lord called you an olive tree…now: with a great roaring noise, fire will consume it.

Jeremiah 12:14-17 These are the Words of the Lord: I shall remove the evil neighbors from the Land I allotted to My people and I shall uproot Judah as well. But if they will learn the way of My [Christian] people, then I allow Judah to establish families among My people. Any peoples who refuse to listen, will be destroyed.

Ezekiel 8:17-18 …it is no small matter for Judah to practise these abominations here. They have filled the Land with violence and provoked My anger. I shall turn on them in My rage and show them no pity, I will not listen if they cry to Me.

Ezekiel 21:1-7 Turn toward Jerusalem and Prophecy against the Land of Israel< Say to the Land: I am against you, I shall use My Sword of Judgment and make away with both the righteous and wicked peoples, against everyone from the Negev; Northward.

Ezekiel 22:31 I poured out My wrath on them and utterly consumed them in My blazing anger. Jerusalem’s people received the punishment they deserve.


Ezekiel 33:25-29 You violate the Law, yet you expect to keep possession of the Land?

Daniel 12:1 Archangel Michael will appear at the end time, after a time of severe distress and disaster, as has never before happened. At that time, your people, the Jews, will be delivered, but ONLY those whose names are Written in the Book of Life.


Hosea 6:11, 12:2 For you; Judah – a harvest of reckoning will come.

Amos 2:4-5 For crime after crime of Judah, I shall give them no reprieve. They have spurned the Laws of the Lord……therefore; I shall send fire upon Judah…..

Zephaniah 1:14-18 On the great Day of the Lords wrath, by the fire of His punishment, I shall bring a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land.

Zechariah 13:7-9 ….Strike the shepherd and scatter the sheep. Two thirds of the people will be struck down and die. The remaining third will be refined and only a remnant will survive.

Zephaniah 3:12-13 I shall leave a remnant, survivors who made the Lord their refuge.

Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine, who did not want Me as their King, bring them here and slaughter them in My presence.



The Fate of the Islamic evil neighbours:


Psalms 83:17 Let them be humiliated and live in terror, suffer disgrace and perish.

Isaiah 33:10-12, Now I shall arise, you will be as chaff and stubble. Matthew 3:12

Whole nations will be like heaps of white ash, as thorns set ablaze.

Jeremiah 9:25=26 The Lord says: The time is coming when I will punish all who are only circumcised in the flesh. All who live in the desert regions, are uncircumcised in their hearts. Romans 2:29

Jeremiah 12:14 The Lord says this about the evil neighbours who have encroached onto the Land which I allotted to My peoples: I shall uproot you from your holdings and Judah too, I shall uproot. But if they learn the Way of My people, [become Christians] then I shall allow families to return. Jeremiah 50:4-5

Ezekiel 28:26 When I execute Judgment on all of Israel’s scornful neighbours, then My faithful peoples will live in the Land; undisturbed. Ezekiel 38:8b & 23

THEN all will know that I am the Lord.

The Prophets tell it plainly: The Lord will once again take action in His Creation, to reset our civilization, which is again; as in the days of Noah.

The timing, the means and the result of this world shaking event, is all as the Prophets inform us, but God has made it difficult to comprehend for those who have fallen for false theories and fables.
 
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Prophecy coming true as we watch:
Events now unfolding in the Middle East are rapidly bringing closer the apocalyptic scenario as predicted in many prophetic scriptures, mainly Psalms 83, Revelation 6:12-17, Joel 2:1-11, Zephaniah 3:8, Zechariah 12:1-10. As described, the Lord Himself intervenes and destroys a massive attack from an Islamic confederation. The Messiah Jesus reveals Himself personally to the people surviving in Israel. Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 29:1-4 At this time, those remnant Christian Jews will receive a spirit of compassion and will mourn ‘over Him whom they pierced. Zechariah 12:10-14.

Psalms 83 begins by describing a united conspiracy against Israel. Their aim is total annihilation of the Jewish State of Israel, to occupy all the Land and to wipe out any remembrance of them. Although each of the tribal groups mentioned is a historic enemy of Israel and has fought against them on various occasions, there is no record that they ever joined in such an alliance. All of the modern nations who are descendants of the peoples mentioned in Psalms 83, are currently obsessed with an Islamic inspired determination to completely eliminate the Jewish State of Israel.

Psalms 81:13-15 O that My people would listen to Me, that Israel would walk in My ways! I would soon subdue their enemies and turn My hand against their adversaries. The haters of the Lord pretend submission to Him, but their fate will endure forever.
Verse 15 tells of a people who hate God when they think in their minds that they submit to Him. The word Islam, means submitters to god: their god, Allah.

So then, when we read in Psalms 83:2 For your enemies raise an uproar, those who hate you hold their heads high, it is saying that the enemies mentioned, are those who believe they submit to God, but in reality are full of religious pride and are in fact haters of the true God.
Psalms 83:18 So let it be known that You, whose name is Jesus are alone the Most High over all the earth.

The reason that the Lord will be so powerfully victorious in this coming war, is to witness to all unbelievers, especially the Ishmaelite peoples, who will then recognise the true religion and Islam will be discredited.

The writer of Psalms 83, the prophet Asaph, prays that Israel’s current enemies will be just as soundly defeated as were the Midianites, etc, when their armies were scattered and their leaders executed. When this prayer is answered, the holy Land will be a much bigger country, it will include all the area given by God to Abraham. Isaiah 25:13, Micah 7:11

There will be a terrible loss of life, as well as large numbers of refugees, who will flee from all the Mid east countries. But a holy remnant will survive in Jerusalem. After the Land is cleaned and regenerated, then all the true descendants of Jacob and those grafted in, all the Christian Israelites of God, will be motivated to emigrate to the New Israel. [Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5] There, they will be an example to the world of how all should live and 144,000 of them will go out to all peoples and preach the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 14:1-7, Isaiah 66:19.
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So, all those verses had an initial fulfillment that was during the original prophet's lifetime or very shortly thereafter. If this were not true, they would be false prophets.

Most of them also had another fulfillment in 70 AD or 135 AD (the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in both those years).

What makes you think that there will be another fulfillment?
 
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Prophecy coming true as we watch:
Events now unfolding in the Middle East are rapidly bringing closer the apocalyptic scenario as predicted in many prophetic scriptures, mainly Psalms 83, Revelation 6:12-17, Joel 2:1-11, Zephaniah 3:8, Zechariah 12:1-10. As described, the Lord Himself intervenes and destroys a massive attack from an Islamic confederation. The Messiah Jesus reveals Himself personally to the people surviving in Israel. Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 29:1-4 At this time, those remnant Christian Jews will receive a spirit of compassion and will mourn ‘over Him whom they pierced. Zechariah 12:10-14.

Psalms 83 begins by describing a united conspiracy against Israel. Their aim is total annihilation of the Jewish State of Israel, to occupy all the Land and to wipe out any remembrance of them. Although each of the tribal groups mentioned is a historic enemy of Israel and has fought against them on various occasions, there is no record that they ever joined in such an alliance. All of the modern nations who are descendants of the peoples mentioned in Psalms 83, are currently obsessed with an Islamic inspired determination to completely eliminate the Jewish State of Israel.

Psalms 81:13-15 O that My people would listen to Me, that Israel would walk in My ways! I would soon subdue their enemies and turn My hand against their adversaries. The haters of the Lord pretend submission to Him, but their fate will endure forever.
Verse 15 tells of a people who hate God when they think in their minds that they submit to Him. The word Islam, means submitters to god: their god, Allah.

So then, when we read in Psalms 83:2 For your enemies raise an uproar, those who hate you hold their heads high, it is saying that the enemies mentioned, are those who believe they submit to God, but in reality are full of religious pride and are in fact haters of the true God.
Psalms 83:18 So let it be known that You, whose name is Jesus are alone the Most High over all the earth.

The reason that the Lord will be so powerfully victorious in this coming war, is to witness to all unbelievers, especially the Ishmaelite peoples, who will then recognise the true religion and Islam will be discredited.

The writer of Psalms 83, the prophet Asaph, prays that Israel’s current enemies will be just as soundly defeated as were the Midianites, etc, when their armies were scattered and their leaders executed. When this prayer is answered, the holy Land will be a much bigger country, it will include all the area given by God to Abraham. Isaiah 25:13, Micah 7:11

There will be a terrible loss of life, as well as large numbers of refugees, who will flee from all the Mid east countries. But a holy remnant will survive in Jerusalem. After the Land is cleaned and regenerated, then all the true descendants of Jacob and those grafted in, all the Christian Israelites of God, will be motivated to emigrate to the New Israel. [Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5] There, they will be an example to the world of how all should live and 144,000 of them will go out to all peoples and preach the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 14:1-7, Isaiah 66:19.
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God doesn't reject everyone in Israel.
In fact,the Israelis who die for their testimony of Jesus and who do not worship the beast or it's image nor receive it's mark shall reign with Christ in the Lords land .
 
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So, all those verses had an initial fulfillment that was during the original prophet's lifetime or very shortly thereafter. If this were not true, they would be false prophets.

Most of them also had another fulfillment in 70 AD or 135 AD (the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in both those years).

What makes you think that there will be another fulfillment?
Ive got a question for you if you don't mind trying to answer.

We're these 144000 of Israel in revelation 7 marked in their foreheads long ago or are they marked in their foreheads in the future?



Revelation 7
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.


Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
 
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Jewish Israel and the Islamic peoples will not be present after the Sixth Seal.
The current Jewish State of Israel and the surrounding Muslin nations and entities, are Prophesied to be gone after the great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, which is the next Prophesied event we can expect. Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +


The 6th seal doesn't affect anyone or anything in the world in the slightest as it is only prophecy. It is the 7th trump that the 6th seal is describing, and even that doesn't wipe everyone out. There are still nations alive to be ruled over during the Mill and that likely includes both unbelieving Jews and Muslims.
 

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The 6th seal doesn't affect anyone or anything in the world in the slightest as it is only prophecy. It is the 7th trump that the 6th seal is describing, and even that doesn't wipe everyone out. There are still nations alive to be ruled over during the Mill and that likely includes both unbelieving Jews and Muslims.
I don't believe there will be any unbelieving Jews or Muslims left in the promised land when Jesus comes.Im quite sure they are all removed from his kingdom.

Mathew 13:41-42
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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Ive got a question for you if you don't mind trying to answer.

We're these 144000 of Israel in revelation 7 marked in their foreheads long ago or are they marked in their foreheads in the future?

Revelation 7
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
I don't have a hard answer for this - the chapter is full of symbols. As I read it, 144,000 just seems to mean "everyone." If that's right, then some of them are saints of days past, while others were still future at the time it was written.
 

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I don't believe there will be any unbelieving Jews or Muslims left in the promised land when Jesus comes.Im quite sure they are all removed from his kingdom.

The world isn't "the promised land". When Christ comes, the kingdom comes with him and is established here which is why the scripture speaks of removing the unsaved from that kingdom. They live here for a long time before being removed. See Rev 19-20 about the reign over them here on Earth.


Mathew 13:41-42
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 

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I don't have a hard answer for this - the chapter is full of symbols. As I read it, 144,000 just seems to mean "everyone."

Impossible since it specific says 12k are from each of 12 Israelite tribes. That is not everyone, not even all people of Israel. It's a relatively small group of specifically chosen people. When God made Jacob and his 12 sons Israel, does that mean God made all humans Israel? No.
 

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Impossible since it specific says 12k are from each of 12 Israelite tribes. That is not everyone, not even all people of Israel. It's a relatively small group of specifically chosen people. When God made Jacob and his 12 sons Israel, does that mean God made all humans Israel? No.
Numbers in the Bible are often symbolic.

3 means a few
7 indicates a completed cycle
12 means many
3000 is "a small army"
12,000 is "a big army"

I'm not 100% sure of my interpretation of 12,000 x 12 as 'everybody,' but it's a reasonable hypothesis based on how those numbers are used throughout the rest of the Bible.
 

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Numbers in the Bible are often symbolic.


Rarely. Usually a number is exactly what it is, like in our normal lives. If I have ten dollars, it's ten dollars not symbolic of more or less. In the times a number does have symbolic meaning, the literal meaning is always there and cannot be erased or changed by any symbolic meaning.

There are an exact 144k people mentioned in Rev. There certainly are special meanings to that and being 12 of 12k but the number of people is not more than 144k and it does not and cannot include non-Israelite people.
 
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Jewish Israel and the Islamic peoples will not be present after the Sixth Seal.
The current Jewish State of Israel and the surrounding Muslin nations and entities, are Prophesied to be gone after the great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, which is the next Prophesied event we can expect. Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +

Of the House of Judah, the Jewish people: the Lord says:
Isaiah 3:1-7 The Lord is about to strip Judah of every good leader. He will appoint incompetent youths to lead them.

Isaiah 3:8-9 Jerusalem/ Judah is brought low, they defy the Lord and rebel against Him. The look on their faces testifies against them, like Sodom; they parade their sins.
Woe betide Judah, they have earned the disaster that strikes them.


Isaiah 3:24-25 As tongues of fire burns up the chaff…..for they have spurned the Lords instruction and rejected the Word of the Holy One. The anger of the Lord is roused against His people and He strikes them down…..corpses lie like refuse in the streets.

Isaiah 22:14 Words revealed from the Lord: Assuredly your wickedness will never be wiped out. You will die for it.

Jeremiah 2:28-30 ….Judah has as many gods as towns, you are rebels, every one of you. I have punished you, but the lesson was not learned.

Jeremiah 5:1-14 Search Jerusalem for anyone who acts justly, who seeks the truth…..They refuse to learn and make their faces like flint…..Shall I fail to punish Judah for this?... I shall burn up this people like brushwood.

Jeremiah 8:8&12 How can you say: We are wise, we have the Law of the Lord, when the scribes with their lying pens have falsified it?

They ought to be ashamed, but they have no sense of shame. Therefore; Judah will fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning.


Jeremiah 11:14-16 So; do not pray for these people, raise no plea or prayer on their behalf, for I shall not listen when they call to Me in the hour of disaster. They have no right to be in My house. [Holy Land] Once the Lord called you an olive tree…now: with a great roaring noise, fire will consume it.

Jeremiah 12:14-17 These are the Words of the Lord: I shall remove the evil neighbors from the Land I allotted to My people and I shall uproot Judah as well. But if they will learn the way of My [Christian] people, then I allow Judah to establish families among My people. Any peoples who refuse to listen, will be destroyed.

Ezekiel 8:17-18 …it is no small matter for Judah to practise these abominations here. They have filled the Land with violence and provoked My anger. I shall turn on them in My rage and show them no pity, I will not listen if they cry to Me.

Ezekiel 21:1-7 Turn toward Jerusalem and Prophecy against the Land of Israel< Say to the Land: I am against you, I shall use My Sword of Judgment and make away with both the righteous and wicked peoples, against everyone from the Negev; Northward.

Ezekiel 22:31 I poured out My wrath on them and utterly consumed them in My blazing anger. Jerusalem’s people received the punishment they deserve.


Ezekiel 33:25-29 You violate the Law, yet you expect to keep possession of the Land?

Daniel 12:1 Archangel Michael will appear at the end time, after a time of severe distress and disaster, as has never before happened. At that time, your people, the Jews, will be delivered, but ONLY those whose names are Written in the Book of Life.


Hosea 6:11, 12:2 For you; Judah – a harvest of reckoning will come.

Amos 2:4-5 For crime after crime of Judah, I shall give them no reprieve. They have spurned the Laws of the Lord……therefore; I shall send fire upon Judah…..

Zephaniah 1:14-18 On the great Day of the Lords wrath, by the fire of His punishment, I shall bring a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land.

Zechariah 13:7-9 ….Strike the shepherd and scatter the sheep. Two thirds of the people will be struck down and die. The remaining third will be refined and only a remnant will survive.

Zephaniah 3:12-13 I shall leave a remnant, survivors who made the Lord their refuge.

Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine, who did not want Me as their King, bring them here and slaughter them in My presence.



The Fate of the Islamic evil neighbours:


Psalms 83:17 Let them be humiliated and live in terror, suffer disgrace and perish.

Isaiah 33:10-12, Now I shall arise, you will be as chaff and stubble. Matthew 3:12

Whole nations will be like heaps of white ash, as thorns set ablaze.

Jeremiah 9:25=26 The Lord says: The time is coming when I will punish all who are only circumcised in the flesh. All who live in the desert regions, are uncircumcised in their hearts. Romans 2:29

Jeremiah 12:14 The Lord says this about the evil neighbours who have encroached onto the Land which I allotted to My peoples: I shall uproot you from your holdings and Judah too, I shall uproot. But if they learn the Way of My people, [become Christians] then I shall allow families to return. Jeremiah 50:4-5

Ezekiel 28:26 When I execute Judgment on all of Israel’s scornful neighbours, then My faithful peoples will live in the Land; undisturbed. Ezekiel 38:8b & 23

THEN all will know that I am the Lord.
The Prophets tell it plainly: The Lord will once again take action in His Creation, to reset our civilization, which is again; as in the days of Noah.

The timing, the means and the result of this world shaking event, is all as the Prophets inform us, but God has made it difficult to comprehend for those who have fallen for false theories and fables.
I guess you need to start with Dan 9:24.."Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (Israel) and upon thy holy city(Jerusalem), to finish the transgression(violation of the law), and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity(to make atonement for their sins) , and to bring in everlasting righteousness(through Justification, Sanctification and righteousness) , and to seal up the vision and prophecy(this vision is sealed up until 1800s), and to anoint the most Holy.(while Jesus sits at the right hand of GOD, He has not been anointed Messiah /King)". (emphasis given to scripture of the Holy God).

As you can see Daniel 9:24 is very specific and it is for Israel. Yes, while God is at it, He punishes the whole world but Israel will suffer the most. Jesus tells us so much about the coming future including Revelation 6-19 (daniel's 70th week which will claim more than 1/2 the population of the gentile World and 2/3 the population of Israel before the last battle begins and Jesus's magnificent return with His Saints for all to see.....(Note: the Rapture has already happened, the Bema seat Judgement and marriage supper (rev 20)happen before this last battle.....then all who do not believe will be sent to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.....If you can not see this then your theology has failed you...
 

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Wow,

So God will break his promise to abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

ok....
If you cared to read Galatians 3:26-29, you would know who the Promises of God belong to.
So, all those verses had an initial fulfillment that was during the original prophet's lifetime or very shortly thereafter. If this were not true, they would be false prophets.

Most of them also had another fulfillment in 70 AD or 135 AD (the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in both those years).

What makes you think that there will be another fulfillment?
Plainly; just about all of the Prophesises are for a time distant from the Prophets. take Zechariah 9:9, where it says Jesus will ride on a donkey. Did Zechariah see that happen?
Your preterist beliefs are wrong and just leave you in the dark.

I do not see a proper and complete fulfilment, in the first Century; of any of the verses I posted in #1
What makes me think they will take place soon, is the world situation, esp in the Middle East. Iran WILL attempt to nuke Israel.

Does the prospect of those graphic Prophesies scare you?
 

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I don't have a hard answer for this - the chapter is full of symbols. As I read it, 144,000 just seems to mean "everyone." If that's right, then some of them are saints of days past, while others were still future at the time it was written.
how do you get this from reading the passage?
 

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Numbers in the Bible are often symbolic.

3 means a few
7 indicates a completed cycle
12 means many
3000 is "a small army"
12,000 is "a big army"

I'm not 100% sure of my interpretation of 12,000 x 12 as 'everybody,' but it's a reasonable hypothesis based on how those numbers are used throughout the rest of the Bible.
It could be except we are told who they are.. so I am still confused about how you come up with the many or all people

prophecy states specific things or events will take place. Why would we try to make a symbol out of events?
 

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If you cared to read Galatians 3:26-29, you would know who the Promises of God belong to.
I do not need to read Galations

I just need to read the OT where God actually made the promises.

Galations speak of the eternal promise. God never promised anyone eternal life in the OT. He promised a specific people group a peace of land on earth. and peace if they obeyed him

Again I ask. Is God going to break his promise?

God promised Israel, after years of being punished for her sin, would be restored after she repents.

Did God lie?
 

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The world isn't "the promised land". When Christ comes, the kingdom comes with him and is established here which is why the scripture speaks of removing the unsaved from that kingdom. They live here for a long time before being removed. See Rev 19-20 about the reign over them here on Earth.
I didn't say the world was the promised land.
I am specifically talking about the land promised to Abrahams seed.The millennium kingdom.
Not the land outside those borders.Not the land of Persia or Magog.
 

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I do not need to read Galations

I just need to read the OT where God actually made the promises.

Galations speak of the eternal promise. God never promised anyone eternal life in the OT. He promised a specific people group a peace of land on earth. and peace if they obeyed him

Again I ask. Is God going to break his promise?

God promised Israel, after years of being punished for her sin, would be restored after she repents.

Did God lie?
Israel is the son of God
This is who God promised to give the land too .His first born son.


Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,