Both Israelis and Islamists will be wiped out

[Bladerunner]

If you cared to read Galatians 3:26-29, you would know who the Promises of God belong to.

Plainly; just about all of the Prophesises are for a time distant from the Prophets. take Zechariah 9:9, where it says Jesus will ride on a donkey. Did Zechariah see that happen?

NO, the time of Zechariah was 772 BC..how could He have seen Jesus ride into Jerusalem

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes. Zechariah's prophecy was originally about Joshua the son of Josedech, who came from humble origins to be a righteous high priest (the first good one they had in many years).

Really: Zac9:9.."Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass." where in this prophecy does Joshua have any part in....It was only filled one time and that time was with Jesus..Mat 21:5 referenced this prophecy when Jesus rode into Jerusalem.

It was, of course, fulfilled a second time with Jesus entry into Jerusalem many years later. Prophecies can have multiple fulfillments.... that's why I asked why you think these should be fulfilled again.


Well, I DO believe that the prophets prophecies were all fulfilled in short time after they were given. If that makes me a preterist, then I guess I'll wear that. But if I'm a preterist I'm a pretty weird one... I believe the Bible demonstrates that multiple fulfillment of prophecies exists, and I do believe that Jesus will come again. Usually the term preterist is reserved for those who do not believe in such things.


There,s no fear in my beliefs. There is no pain to endure greater than has already been endured. When death comes, it will be a blessing.

No, a preterist is what is known as an Israel Replacement. where the Church replaces Israel in all the good covenants and Israel is no more because of the curse there in. Many prophecies were twice to be fulfilled yet many more are only fulfilled one time. If that is what you believe in, then you should be very afraid of God's wrath.

 

[Bladerunner]

I don't remember it saying that in my Bible.


If He made those changes, why not change it to include the Gentiles who were adopted? I DO remember it saying something like that in my Bible.

The Gentiles in the NT are grafted to the vine and inherits the same covenants that God promised Israel. He(God) fulfills all of this prophecy with Israel during the millennium on earth.

 

[Wick Stick]

Really: Zac9:9.."Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass." where in this prophecy does Joshua have any part in....It was only filled one time and that time was with Jesus..Mat 21:5 referenced this prophecy when Jesus rode into Jerusalem.

Not to be rude, but... read the book.

No, a preterist is what is known as an Israel Replacement. where the Church replaces Israel in all the good covenants and Israel is no more because of the curse there in. Many prophecies were twice to be fulfilled yet many more are only fulfilled one time. If that is what you believe in, then you should be very afraid of God's wrath.

That's supercessionism. Preterist is usually a term for someone who believes prophecy has already been fulfilled - no more returns, end times, etc.

 

[Bladerunner]

Not to be rude, but... read the book.

That's supercessionism. Preterist is usually a term for someone who believes prophecy has already been fulfilled - no more returns, end times, etc.

Oh I have and your not even close...your making it up as you go along.

 

[ewq1938]

I don't remember it saying that in my Bible.

Good because it doesn't say spiritual Israel has tribes.

If He made those changes, why not change it to include the Gentiles who were adopted? I DO remember it saying something like that in my Bible.

But nothing about Gentiles belonging to various tribes of Israel.

 

[Keraz]

But nothing about Gentiles belonging to various tribes of Israel.

But Ezekiel 40 to 48 does.
The Christian peoples in all of the holy Land, will be divided into 12 groups, each named after a son of Jacob. Or Grandson, as in Ephraim and Manasseh. Judah and Benjamin are the only tribes identifiable at present, as the Jewish peoples.

Of course, for this to happen, the Land must be cleared and cleansed first. THAT is what the OP of this thread informs us of.

 

[Wick Stick]

But nothing about Gentiles belonging to various tribes of Israel.

You're right that the Bible does not say anything about Gentiles belonging to any particular tribe. But...

If one were to look at Jewish history, you would find that proselytes of Judaism - Gentiles who convert - ARE assigned a tribe at the time of their conversion.

A question for you - are converts to Judaism still considered Gentiles, or should they be considered as Israelites?

 

[ewq1938]

You're right that the Bible does not say anything about Gentiles belonging to any particular tribe. But...

If one were to look at Jewish history, you would find that proselytes of Judaism - Gentiles who convert - ARE assigned a tribe at the time of their conversion.

Because Israel was mainly those who were families, and in tribes so naturally a gentile associated with a tribe would be part of that tribe but in a spiritual Israel concept, which I believe in, I find nothing supporting a gentile like a Chinese person being a saved Christian and of Judah.

I find it far more logical that Israelites from 12 different tribes are simply Christians who are genetically related to those tribes. It's not like the 144k are the only people going to heaven or anything.

A question for you - are converts to Judaism still considered Gentiles, or should they be considered as Israelites?

I'm not sure but God still referred to them as "strangers" despite following the law so IMO they are going to benefit from living a lawful life like the Jews did, but aren't being referred to as Israel. A better position to be in than faithless gentiles, but in a different category than Israel...perhaps on a fair and level sense though, just different.

Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Exo 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.


In Rev 21 there are nations/ethos that are saved and come from theior lands to visit NJ. They have their own kings as well so I think these are saved/Christian nations that have a special place in teh NHNE.


Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

 

[ewq1938]

But Ezekiel 40 to 48 does.

That is a picture/fantasy of life under the old covenant, something that never took place and never shall. It is not prophecy and it doesn't have anything Christian or Christ related in it because it was an imaginary concept of a perfect Jewish life under the old covenant.

 

[tailgator]

It's as if everyone just ignores the fact the 144,000 are the first fruits of the harvest.

 

[jeffweeder]

Jewish Israel and the Islamic peoples will not be present after the Sixth Seal.
The current Jewish State of Israel and the surrounding Muslin nations and entities, are Prophesied to be gone after the great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, which is the next Prophesied event we can expect.

Not only them, but all who are without Jesus.
Jesus comes in a flame of fire at Gods righteous judgment,

2Thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day,...

The Prophets tell it plainly: The Lord will once again take action in His Creation, to reset our civilization, which is again; as in the days of Noah.

Yes.
The ungodly who live will meet their fate again.

The timing, the means and the result of this world shaking event, is all as the Prophets inform us, but God has made it difficult to comprehend for those who have fallen for false theories and fables.

There should be Nothing difficult about God judging ALL the ungodly in the day of Noah, and also in the day the Son of man comes again, right?

 

[covenantee]

I'm not sure but God still referred to them as "strangers" despite following the law so IMO they are going to benefit from living a lawful life like the Jews did, but aren't being referred to as Israel. A better position to be in than faithless gentiles, but in a different category than Israel...perhaps on a fair and level sense though, just different.

Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Exo 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

From the Scriptures that you cited, it is clear that Israelite Gentiles were accorded every Covenant right, privilege, and responsibility of Israelite Jews.

Which demolishes any and all arguments which attempt to ethnically contort God into a racist.

 

[ewq1938]

Not only them, but all who are without Jesus.
Jesus comes in a flame of fire at Gods righteous judgment,

2Thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of [c]everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day,...

"in a flame of fire"

If this fire is harmful, then Jesus is in trouble! Someone get a fire extinguisher! Save the angels from a fiery death!!

 

[jeffweeder]

"in a flame of fire"

If this fire is harmful, then Jesus is in trouble! Someone get a fire extinguisher! Save the angels from a fiery death!!

The Unshaken Kingdom​

25 See to it that you do not refuse [to listen to] Him who is speaking [to you now]. For if those [sons of Israel] did not escape when they refused [to listen to] him who warned them on earth [revealing God’s will], how much less will we escape if we turn our backs on Him who warns from heaven?
26 His voice shook the earth [at Mount Sinai] then, but now He has given a promise, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the [starry] heaven.”

27 Now this [expression], “Yet once more,” indicates the removal and final transformation of all those things which can be shaken—that is, of that which has been created—so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, and offer to God pleasing service and acceptable worship with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is [indeed] a consuming fire.

 

[Wick Stick]

I'm not sure but God still referred to them as "strangers" despite following the law so IMO they are going to benefit from living a lawful life like the Jews did, but aren't being referred to as Israel. A better position to be in than faithless gentiles, but in a different category than Israel...perhaps on a fair and level sense though, just different.

Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Exo 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Those are rules for sojourners, which is a different thing from converts. Also, I don't think law-keeping is the right criteria to use.

Jewish converts go through an adoption ceremony... they're adopted as children of Abraham, which is BEFORE there was a law (per Paul).

 

[tailgator]

Not only them, but all who are without Jesus.
Jesus comes in a flame of fire at Gods righteous judgment,

2Thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day,...


Yes.
The ungodly who live will meet their fate again.


There should be Nothing difficult about God judging ALL the ungodly in the day of Noah, and also in the day the Son of man comes again, right?

I don't believe everyone in the world is judged at the same time.As I understand it ,it's the promised land that is destroyed at Christs coming.The land between the rivers Nile and Euphrates.
Places such Russia,China and the America's are not destroyed at that time but are destroyed 1000 years later.

It's the land between the rivers that is cleansed first.There won't be any sinners among these people.


Isaiah 19
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

 

[tailgator]

Those are rules for sojourners, which is a different thing from converts. Also, I don't think law-keeping is the right criteria to use.

Jewish converts go through an adoption ceremony... they're adopted as children of Abraham, which is BEFORE there was a law (per Paul).

You do understand revelation differentiates between the tribes of Israel and the nations who who believe in Christ don't you?

 

[Wick Stick]

You do understand revelation differentiates between the tribes of Israel and the nations who who believe in Christ don't you?

Nothing comes to mind to that effect. Was there a certain passage you had in mind?

 

[tailgator]

Nothing comes to mind to that effect. Was there a certain passage you had in mind?

Sure,the passages you have been talking about

The 144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel in revelation 7 are differentiated from the other nations of the world which are also mentioned in revelation 7


First,the 144,000 of Israel.

Revelation 7
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


Then the nations

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;