Spirits like frogs

[Spiritual Israelite]

You seem to think that the battle of Armageddon is about Gentile Christians. But I know by the many other references in the OT this battle is against Israel in the land of Israel.

Try reading the whole Bible.

Try reading the Bible in context. The context of the book of Revelation is clearly in relation to Jesus and His church against the enemies of Jesus and His church. Nothing in the OT changes that. You need to stop misinterpreting the OT.

2 Thessalonians 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

This passage is clear. Jesus will be taking vengeance on those who don't know God and don't obey the gospel of Jesus Christ when He comes, including "them that trouble" the church. Why would you interpret the book of Revelation without other passages in the NT in mind? When your interpretation of the OT contradicts what is taught in the NT you need to rethink how you are interpreting the OT.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Try reading the Bible in context.

Try reading the context of the OP. It is about the unclean spirits like frogs that cause the Kings of the earth to be gathered to the battle of Armageddon in the land of Israel.

Where do we first learn about Megiddo in scripture, In the OT or the NT? Joel chapter 3 is just one of the places in the OT where we read about this coming battle against Israel.

It doesn’t take place in NYC or Boston, or in the Mid west. It takes place in the land of Israel where both Jews and Gentiles live, who are also called saints.

Your problem seems to be in recognizing the Jews in Israel as saints.

Well here is the words of Jesus Christ from the NT for you….

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Try reading the context of the OP. It is about the unclean spirits like frogs that cause the Kings of the earth to be gathered to the battle of Armageddon in the land of Israel.

Where do we first learn about Megiddo in scripture, In the OT or the NT? Joel chapter 3 is just one of the places in the OT where we read about this coming battle against Israel.

It doesn’t take place in NYC or Boston, or in the Mid west. It takes place in the land of Israel where both Jews and Gentiles live, who are also called saints.

Your problem seems to be in recognizing the Jews in Israel as saints.

Well here is the words of Jesus Christ from the NT for you….

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

I'm not going to buy into this dispensationalist nonsense. Unbelieving Jews are not saints! Only believing Jews and Gentiles are saints. Salvation being of the Jews simply means that salvation was made possible by way of the Jewish bloodline, of which Jesus was part. There's no reason to assign any more significance to that statement than that. Salvation being of the Jews is all about salvation being of Jesus Christ and His shed blood.

Your inability to recognize the symbolism in Revelation is the reason you misinterpret it. Armageddon isn't a literal place any more than Magog is in Revelation 20. The reference to "Gog, and Magog" in Revelation 20 symbolically represents the people from all over the world who number "as the sand of the sea" and oppose God and does not represent the actual land of Magog. Armageddon isn't meant to be taken literally as a literal place on earth any more than Babylon is, either. Babylon in Revelation is not the literal place called Babylon on earth, but rather is the spiritual opposite of the new heavenly Jerusalem. Armageddon is a symbolic reference for all who oppose Christ and His church.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Salvation being of the Jews is all about salvation being of Jesus Christ and His shed blood.

Another antisemitic statement.

Armageddon isn't meant to be taken literally as a literal place on earth

What a moron.

Revelation 16:16
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Another antisemitic statement.

Stop your lies. Believing that Jesus brought Jew and Gentile believers together as one body by way of His shed blood is based on scripture (Ephesians 2:11-22) and is not antisemitic at all. Your demonic false accusations don't phase me.

What a moron.

How nice. Showing your true colors again. This is what you call people who use spiritual discernment to interpret the most highly symbolic book in scripture. Seems like a rather moronic thing to do. Similar to calling people saints just because of where they live.

Revelation 16:16
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

As if this proves it's a literal place on earth? LOL. The harlot woman Babylon is described as sitting on many waters. I guess that means the many waters are literal then, right? If you want to continue being carnal and reading the book of Revelation like it's a literal, straightforward children's story, that's your choice, but it's not wise.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Stop your lies.

It’s not a lie, Jesus said it is true, so eat your heart out antisemites.
John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

As if this proves it's a literal place on earth?

The words of God say that it is a literal place. But dont let the words of God( which are Truth) get in they way of your false doctrine and constant lies.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It’s not a lie, Jesus said it is true, so eat your heart out antisemites.
John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Tell me what you think that means, Straw Man King. Do you think God favors Jews over Gentiles when it comes to salvation? I'm saying he doesn't and loves His people all the same and wants all people to be saved the same regardless of whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Scripture says that God is not a respecter of persons, but you say He is?

The words of God say that it is a literal place.

No, they do not. Not any more than the words of God say that the harlot woman Babylon sitting on many waters means it's a literal woman sitting on literally many waters.

But dont let the words of God( which are Truth) get in they way of your false doctrine and constant lies.

I don't let doctrinal bias get in the way of how I interpret the book of Revelation like you do. And I don't treat it like a literal, straightforward children's book or news article like you do with your carnal method of interpretation.

And I don't ignore the fact that a spiritual war between Christ and His church and the enemies of Christ and His church is described throughout the book. It's foolish to make it all about Israel when we can see descriptions of the church being attacked spiritually multiple times in the book, as I showed before from passages like Revelation 12:17, Revelation 13:7 and Revelation 14:10-11. I believe the two witnesses symbolically represent the church, so this can be seen in Revelation 11, also.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Tell me what you think that means

Jesus means what He says, salvation is of the Jews. A Jew is one who is inward, not outward.

No, they do not

Yes they do…
Revelation 16:16
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

I don't let doctrinal bias get in the way of how I interpret the book of Revelation

Sure you do, the false Amil doctrine you follow has leavened your lump.

It's foolish to make it all about Israel

Straw man

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus means what He says, salvation is of the Jews. A Jew is one who is inward, not outward.

So, you are talking about spiritual Jews who are circumcised "of the heart, in the spirit" (Romans 2:29) here and not ethnic or religious Jews? If so, why are you using that as evidence that Revelation is talking about a battle relating to national Israel?

Yes they do…
Revelation 16:16
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Sure you do, the false Amil doctrine you follow has leavened your lump.

Straw man

Waiting for you to say something of substance, Straw Man King. I guess I'll have to keep waiting.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

If so, why are you using that as evidence that Revelation is talking about a battle relating to national Israel?

The evidence is the location of the battle as prophesied in the words of God.

 

[Jay Ross]

Pray that the Lord will help you understand the present age of deception via 'aliens from other planets/realms'.

It is statements like the above quote from your post that underlined my response of ROFL.

I see that the Lord has not helped you to understand the present age of deception that is prophetically told to us in the scriptures. I do not see alien creatures from other planets mentioned in the scriptures. However, I do see entities from other realms operating at this present time which we are told about in the scriptures.

Please be aware that Rev 9 as a whole is speaking of a time/age that is still over 1,000 years into our future.

And you are trying to correct me for the understanding that I have.

 

[David in NJ]

It is statements like the above quote from your post that underlined my response of ROFL.

I see that the Lord has not helped you to understand the present age of deception that is prophetically tod to us in the scriptures. I do not see alien creatures from other planets mentioned in the scriptures. However, I do see entities from other realms operating at this present time which we are told about in the scriptures.

Please be aware that Rev 9 as a whole is speaking of a time/age that is still over 1,000 years into our future.

And you are trying to correct me for the understanding that I have.

There is no such thing as 'aliens from other planets' = so again you misunderstand my post.

There are fallen angels that are demon spirits like frogs, who are COMMUNICATING via revealing themselves to the kings of the earth.

It occurred before and is recorded in Genesis and it is occurring now as Prophesied by CHRIST in Revelation.

 

[Jay Ross]

There is no such thing as 'aliens from other planets' = so again you misunderstand my post.

There are fallen angels that are demon spirits like frogs, who are COMMUNICATING via revealing themselves to the kings of the earth.

It occurred before and is recorded in Genesis and it is occurring now as Prophesied by CHRIST in Revelation.

David, I agree with you that there is no such thing as 'aliens from other planets', but your clumsy wording gave a very different understanding when I read your post.

Rev 16:13-14: - 13 And I saw three unclean spirits {that looked} like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.​

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Now, the fallen angels are labelled as the Dragon, i.e. Satan, The Beast and the Little Horn/the False Prophet and out of the mouths of these three fallen angels, come three unclean spirits/influences that, when they manifested themselves, looked like frogs that performed signs and wonders on Sept 11, 2001, which was seen around the world by all of the people of the earth as the events of 9/11 were transmitted via their TV sets into their living rooms.

In today's world what would look like a frog, to the author of the Book of Revelation, back around 2,000 years ago.

The drawing of the Kings of the earth began on the 11th of September 2001, and will continue occurring over a period of time that is a little longer than 40 years, as more and more kings of the earth will come on board to assemble on the plains below and to the north of Jerusalem for one last time to completely trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts towards the end of the time of the allotted 2,300-year period for the Little Horn to use armies etc. to trample God's earthly hosts and at the same time for the Little Horn in unison with the fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12 "there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words," against God.

In Ezekiel 34 God has promised the Israelites, that he has gathered to Himself, in the near future, that they will live for a season in peace through His removal of all of the beasts roaming the earth such that they will have no influence during the time of season period to come, while the Great Summer harvest of Souls takes place.

There are a number of prophesied events that will occur around the same time as the Kings of the earth and the Heavenly hosts are judged at the time that the Kings of the earth are gathered at Armageddon.

When considering prophecy, we need to carefully consider the correct time frames in which those prophecies will take place. Any references to other scriptures that are to take place at another time should not be considered to be associated with the prophetic words contained in the Sixth Bowl Judgement in Rev 16:12-16.

Shalom

 

[Timtofly]

The unclean spirits like frogs cause the Kings of the earth to be gathered against Israel, in the land of Israel.

This is not how John puts the scenario in Revelation 16, nor Revelation 17, nor the actual battle in Revelation 19.

Satan is defending his empire in Israel, from Jesus returning on white horses from heaven.

Satan is defending his throne in Jerusalem. The world is trying to stop Jesus from returning to the earth.

Revelation 17:12-14

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings."

This is the battle of Armageddon as the 10 horns and all the earth's armies are defending their empire based in Jerusalem from The Lamb, Jesus. Jesus is not defending Israel but seeking to take Israel back from Satan. Revelation 19

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

Satan has been in control for 42 months of Jerusalem, Israel, and the world. The empire was Mystery Babylon. After Armageddon all those with the mark, that is, all on earth, except those on white horses coming from heaven, will be physically dead.

"That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."

God gathered all humanity to Armageddon.

"to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. And he (God Almighty) gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

This is the winepress of God's wrath. All on earth have to be accounted for at Armageddon.

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

In the news….

IDF: 6 Al Jazeera Journalists Belong to Palestinian Terror Groups​

The Israeli Defense Forces announced Wednesday that six journalists working for Al Jazeera are linked to Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, The Times of Israel reported.

The IDF said it had obtained documents during military operations in Gaza that tied the reporters to the terror groups.

The journalists, identified as Anas Al-Sharif, Alaa Salama, Hossam Shabat, Ashraf Saraj, Ismail Abu Amr, and Talal Aruki, allegedly held positions ranging from rocket squad leader to sniper.

The IDF said they were active in their terror organizations and also employed by Al Jazeera, spreading propaganda for Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

The IDF said documents found include personnel lists, records of terrorist training and payroll details, which "unequivocally proves that [the journalists] function as military terrorist operatives of the terrorist organizations in the Gaza Strip."

The Israeli military added that the journalists have been instrumental in promoting Hamas' narrative on Al Jazeera, particularly in the northern Gaza Strip.

Earlier this year, Israel said two Al Jazeera staffers killed in a Gaza airstrike were terror operatives. A month later, it said another journalist, who was wounded in a separate strike, was a deputy Hamas commander.”(end quote)

This is how the unclean spirits speak through the mouths of men through lies and propaganda broadcast on media platforms.

 

[Zao is life]

In the story of the Exodus from Egypt God sent a plague of frogs that got into everything and on all the servants of Pharaoh. I believe this is similitude of a plague of lies and propaganda that would get into everything and into everyone who is of their father the Devil.

The purpose of the unclean spirits like frogs was to lead world leaders to the battle against Israel at the battle of Armageddon.

These unclean spirits work in flesh and blood men to speak lies and great dwelling words against both the Jews and Christians who support Israel, and are even against the Lamb of God.

We have already seen this antichristian and antisemitic rhetoric coming out of the mouths of those who are pro Palestine in colleges, in the leftist news media, and on the internet.

The working of miracles they perform is by presenting false reports and false media images that are manipulated in order to push their antisemitic narrative.

But I believe all this hatred toward Israel is a part of Gods plan, just as God also hardened Pharaohs heart in the Exodus story to fulfill His will.

With the anniversary of Oct. 7 coming tomorrow I believe we will see this antiIsrael sentiment of full desplay.

Peace and God bless

When it comes to the conflict between the state of Israel and those whose stated and open policy is denial of Israel's right to exist and whose goal is to annihilate the Jews, the thing that will judge us, is whose side we are on with regards to the warnings of God which apply to all humanity:

Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! (extracted from Isaiah 5:18-21).

Putting lies for truth and truth for lies is a part of putting darkness for light and light for darkness.

IMO when it comes to the criteria of how we will all one day be judged as to the works done in the flesh, it does not even matter whether or not God brought the Jews into the land of Israel, or whether or not the rebirth of a Jewish state in 1948 was the result of Jews doing it for themselves through the Zionist movement (which was their rightful and understandable goal),

and it does not even matter that most of Judea, which was the Biblical land allotted to the Jews, lies in the West Bank,

and it does not even matter whether or not most Jews still reject Christ.

The side we take between Israel on one hand and on the other hand "them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope; who call evil good, and good evil; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter, and are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own site"

- that side that we take is one of the criteria by which our works done while we are in the flesh, are exposed - and we must all still face the judgment seat of Christ, though for those of us who believe in Christ, not unto condemnation or the second death. Yet what we do and the side we take is still very serious.

 

[amigo de christo]

You seem to think that the battle of Armageddon is about Gentile Christians. But I know by the many other references in the OT this battle is against Israel in the land of Israel.

Try reading the whole Bible.

its against WHO . is it against natural israel or those who KEEP the commandments of GOD and have the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST .
IT IS AGAINST the saints . The devil is a deciever and man he will do anything and everything
to convince a jew or a gentile THEY have no NEED TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
But always remember if a jew rejectes JESUS THE CHRIST
if a gentile rejectes JESUS the CHRIST , THEY HAVE REJECTED GOD . you keep that in memory .

 

[ewq1938]

Well here is the words of Jesus Christ from the NT for you….

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

That is what I said in post #28