Daniel Chapter 8 - the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy

[CTK]

The time and date of the prophesy is also important. Cannot isolate a single verse without the others.

And EXACTLY the number of incense offerings missed is the number of days and hours until the sanctuary and altar was set right and the evening offering was made....praying for Israel and for God to send the Messiah.

Meaning....God knows and misses every offering not made by his children.

Not sure what you are saying. The prophecy tells us the Sanctuary will be cleansed in 2300 evenings and mornings. So, we have no less than 5 issues to address:

1) how is the Sanctuary cleansed,
2) who can cleanse the Sanctuary,
3) the qualifier “evenings and mornings” term can only refer to the “daily” sacrifice that is found in Leviticus where an animal is sacrificed at 9AM and 3PM. Thus, 2300 DAYS is the given and appropriate measure to use,
4) When WAS the Sanctuary cleansed.
5) Who is giving Daniel / Gabriel this prophecy.


There is only one answer to all of these points. Now, I would like to hear your thoughts. Also, not sure I understand your last comment regarding God’s missing every offering????

 

[Earburner]

But didn’t the little horn come out of the 4th kingdom?

No, he came out of "the latter time" of the 3rd beast, being that of the Hellenistic kingdoms of the Grecian Empire.

And isn’t the 4th kingdom, after Greece, pagan Rome?

Yes, the 4th Beast was the Roman Republic, but it did not become an empire until 27 BC.

And wasn’t pagan Rome slain and its body destroyed by ~ 467 AD (7:11)?

Most lose sight of the Roman Empire splitting into two legs of iron, and became the Western empire (Rome), and the Eastern empire (Constantinople).

So, does that all mean the little horn HAD to come before pagan Rome was destroyed but after pagan Rome came to power around 63 BC?

No. It simply means that the little horn (AE4) had nothing to do with the Roman Empire, but had everything to do with Israel and the 2300 days.

Do you really find that AE, a relatively minor thug who came into history AFTER the end of the 3rd kingdom and BEFORE the start of the 4th kingdom fit, not only the timing described in the verses, but also the characteristics found in:

1) Daniel 7:7-8?

The another LH came up among the 10Hs, but was not of the 10Hs on the 4th beast.
The Israel of God under the OC., "the Age of Indignation", was the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, through Israel. Because Antiochus Epiphanes attacked Israel without cause, AE was a major character in the eyes of God.

2) Daniel 7:11-12?

The Great Fire of Rome (Latin: incendium magnum Romae) began on the 18th of July 64 AD.[1] The fire began in the merchant shops around Rome's chariot stadium, Circus Maximus. After six days, the fire was brought under control, but before the damage could be assessed, the fire reignited and burned for another three days. In the aftermath of the fire, 71% of Rome had been destroyed (10 out of 14 districts).[2]

Great Fire of Rome - Wikipedia

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3) Daniel 7:19-25?

[20] And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up [among them, but was not of them], and before whom [prior to the LH rising] three fell [2H of the "Ram"; 1H of the "he Goat"] even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows, being the kingdoms of Ptolemy, Lysichimus, and Cassander].
[21] I beheld, and the same [LH] horn made war with the [OC] saints [Israel], and prevailed against them;
[22] Until the Ancient of days came [Jesus' first appearance in the flesh], and judgment was given to the [NC] saints of the most High [the judgment to all the world is John 3:18]; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom [Luke 22:31-34. Specfically verse 32. "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to GIVE YOU the kingdom].

4) Daniel 8:9-12?

Verses 8-9. One, out of the four notable horns of the four Generals of Alex the Great (Ptolemy, Seleucus, Cassander and Lysichimus), came forth the LH-AE4, out of the Seleucid kingdom.

5) Daniel 8:23-25?

In the latter time of THEIR kingdom, when the transgressors are come to full is the time of the end for the Age of Indignation aka transgression, referencing the 3rd beast, the Grecian Empire, which at that time were the four Hellenistic kingdoms.

Unfortunately, the KJV uses the upper case "P" for the words "prince of princes". Judas Maccabeus was called a prince of Israel. As for him conquering all who came against him and Israel, he most surely was the prince of all of Israel's princes at that time.

All of this can be attributed to a minor character that is not found in ANY of the 4 kingdoms?

In regards to what AE4 did to Israel for no cause, God saw Antiochus as a major character against His people. At that time, Israel was the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Pertaining to that event of the 2300 Days, the Jews continue to celebrate Hanukkah.

Wasn’t he the same Syrian general who was completely embarrassed by the Roman general (drawing a line in the sand scene) and put his tail between his legs and ran back home?

Yes.

Yes, he hated the Jews and disrespected the Temple and murdered many Jews but he could never meet the timing and the truly evil and powerful characteristics of the one identified in the above verses, could he?

In the timing of the 2300 Day prophecy, Antiochus Epiphanes was indeed that person called "the little horn", as the Jews have recorded the detailed events that happened TO THEM, in 1&2 Maccabees.

Thanks, look forward to your response.

You are welcome.

 

[CTK]

No, he came out of "the latter time" of the 3rd beast.

Yes, the 4th Beast was the Roman Republic, but it did not become an empire until 27 BC.

Most lose sight of the Roman Empire splitting into two legs of iron, and became the Western empire (Rome), and the Eastern empire (Constantinople).

No. It simply means that the little horn (AE4) had nothing to do with the Roman Empire, but had everything to do with Israel and the 2300 days.

The another LH came up among the 10Hs, but was not of the 10Hs on the 4th beast.

The Great Fire of Rome (Latin: incendium magnum Romae) began on the 18th of July 64 AD.[1] The fire began in the merchant shops around Rome's chariot stadium, Circus Maximus. After six days, the fire was brought under control, but before the damage could be assessed, the fire reignited and burned for another three days. In the aftermath of the fire, 71% of Rome had been destroyed (10 out of 14 districts).[2]

Great Fire of Rome - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

[20] And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up [among them, but was not of them], and before whom [prior to the LH rising] three fell [2H of the Ram; 1H of the "he Goat] even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows [Ptolemy, Lysichimus, Cassander].
[21] I beheld, and the same [LH] horn made war with the [OC] saints [Israel], and prevailed against them;
[22] Until the Ancient of days came [Jesus' first appearance in the flesh], and judgment was given to the [NC] saints of the most High [the judgment to all the world is John 3:18]; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom [Luke 22:31-34. Specfically verse 32. "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to GIVE YOU the kingdom].

Verses 8-9. One, out of the four notable horns of the four Generals of Alex the Great (Ptolemy, Seleucus, Cassander and Lysichimus), came forth the LH-AE4, out of the Seleucid kingdom.

The 70 weeks prophecy is primarily about the first appearance of Jesus, and the six works of God, that Jesus was to "finish", as shown in verse 24.
Jesus speaks of it in the Garden of Gethamane, in his prayer to his Father
John 17
[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

You are welcome.

Okay!

 

[Douggg]

Not sure what you are saying. The prophecy tells us the Sanctuary will be cleansed in 2300 evenings and mornings. So, we have no less than 5 issues to address:

1) how is the Sanctuary cleansed,
2) who can cleanse the Sanctuary,
3) the qualifier “evenings and mornings” term can only refer to the “daily” sacrifice that is found in Leviticus where an animal is sacrificed at 9AM and 3PM. Thus, 2300 DAYS is the given and appropriate measure to use,
4) When WAS the Sanctuary cleansed.
5) Who is giving Daniel / Gabriel this prophecy.


There is only one answer to all of these points. Now, I would like to hear your thoughts. Also, not sure I understand your last comment regarding God’s missing every offering????

The temple will be cleansed of the things on the temple mount that will have made it desolate from the praise and worship of the One True God.

There are 4 things that Jesus will remove to cleanse the temple mount.

1. the statue image of the beast king - it will be turned to ashes.
2. Satan indwelling the statue image - he will be cast into the bottomless pit.
3. the beast-king - he will be cast into the lake of fire.
4. the false prophet - he also will be cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Jay Ross]

Q. What gives me concern is that no one is focussing on what the "Age" WAS, that was present before God's NEW "Age of Grace", through the shed blood of Christ?
A. It was the OLD "Age of Indignation", of which indeed had an END. Which is exactly what God did do in the day of Jesus' death and resurrection.

So, what is the relevance of your rebuttal of what I had posted. My reaction is that what you had posted was irrelevant to the thread's topic.

 

[Bladerunner]

The trouble with "church-ianity" is that they have not figured it out yet that there is no future LH to come at any time. Antiochus Epiphanes was the ONLY one prophesied of, and he surely did fulfill it.

not sure what LH is...The 1150 days would bring one to the beginning of AEs persecution of the Jewish people and 2300 days brings the prophesy to the beginning of the cleansing of the temple thru it re-dedication. Yes, it was fulfilled not once but twice......

 

[JohnDB]

Not sure what you are saying. The prophecy tells us the Sanctuary will be cleansed in 2300 evenings and mornings. So, we have no less than 5 issues to address:

1) how is the Sanctuary cleansed,
2) who can cleanse the Sanctuary,
3) the qualifier “evenings and mornings” term can only refer to the “daily” sacrifice that is found in Leviticus where an animal is sacrificed at 9AM and 3PM. Thus, 2300 DAYS is the given and appropriate measure to use,
4) When WAS the Sanctuary cleansed.
5) Who is giving Daniel / Gabriel this prophecy.


There is only one answer to all of these points. Now, I would like to hear your thoughts. Also, not sure I understand your last comment regarding God’s missing every offering????

When Daniel made this prophecy the Temple was in ruins and needed to be rebuilt. There were no offerings being made whatsoever. And no current plans to send the Jews back to Israel to restore the Temple.

Each day two offerings of incense are to be made in the Temple with prayers. A morning and an evening offering.

And what Daniel said here was correct down to the hour. Ezra rebuilt the Temple and something was wrong with the Temple so it took until the evening before it was set straight. This prophesy is fulfilled and accurate to the hour.

 

[CTK]

When Daniel made this prophecy the Temple was in ruins and needed to be rebuilt. There were no offerings being made whatsoever. And no current plans to send the Jews back to Israel to restore the Temple.

Each day two offerings of incense are to be made in the Temple with prayers. A morning and an evening offering.

And what Daniel said here was correct down to the hour. Ezra rebuilt the Temple and something was wrong with the Temple so it took until the evening before it was set straight. This prophesy is fulfilled and accurate to the hour.

Well, I never heard anything like that before. Perhaps you can answer my previous questions and also provde the calculations.. I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry.

 

[Earburner]

So, what is the relevance of your rebuttal of what I had posted. My reaction is that what you had posted was irrelevant to the thread's topic.

My point was, the prophesied "little horn" came to be and was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes at the time of the end of the OC. There is not going to be a future "little horn" under the NC. Nor shall there be a rebuilt Temple building in Jerusalem.

In Dan. 9:24 are the six works of God, that were given to Jesus for him to "finish".
Through Jesus, God was bringing in the beginning of His New Covenant (contract), thus making an END to the world of the Old covenant, (contract) which became null and void. It was the end of THAT world.
Heb. 9
[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
[25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin [Dan. 9:24] by the sacrifice of himself [John 17:4].
[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment [John 3:18]:
[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many [in the death of his mortal flesh]; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time [in his Immortality] without sin unto salvation.
Edit:
And if all can fathom this, if the Lord Jesus did not fulfill HIS commitment to the LORD GOD Almighty, in the time that He did, then and there would have been THE END of this whole world.
There wouldn't be that which we all have now, this present Age of God's Grace, through faith in the shedding of Christ's innocent blood.

 

[Earburner]

not sure what LH is...The 1150 days would bring one to the beginning of AEs persecution of the Jewish people and 2300 days brings the prophesy to the beginning of the cleansing of the temple thru it re-dedication. Yes, it was fulfilled not once but twice......

LH is meaning the little horn.

You said: "Yes, it was fulfilled not once but twice."
Are you meaning when he first came and removed all the articles from the sanctuary, and took them to his own land, keeping them there for two years, but then came later to set up the abomination that maketh desolate?
If so, I can agree, but all within the 1290 days of the 2300 Day prophecy.

 

[Bladerunner]

LH is meaning the little horn.

You said: "Yes, it was fulfilled not once but twice."
Are you meaning when he first came and removed all the articles from the sanctuary, and took them to his own land, keeping them there for two years, but then came later to set up the abomination that maketh desolate?
If so, I can agree, but all within the 1290 days of the 2300 Day prophecy.

It is obvious that you do not know your history...The one you speak of removing all the articles from the temple was Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[Earburner]

It is obvious that you do not know your history...The one you speak of removing all the articles from the temple was Nebuchadnezzar.

1 Maccabees 1:20-30

 

[CTK]

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No, he came out of "the latter time" of the 3rd beast, being that of the Hellenistic kingdoms of the Grecian Empire.

Yes, the 4th Beast was the Roman Republic, but it did not become an empire until 27 BC.

Most lose sight of the Roman Empire splitting into two legs of iron, and became the Western empire (Rome), and the Eastern empire (Constantinople).

I will just take this one at a time:

7:7“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking [c]pompous words.


Now, what does this tell us about the kingdom the little horn will come out of:
Whether the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome officially began in 63 or 27 BC, is immaterial.

Look forward to your response!

 

[Earburner]

a


I will just take this one at a time:

7:7“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking [c]pompous words.


Now, what does this tell us about the kingdom the little horn will come out of:
Whether the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome officially began in 63 or 27 BC, is immaterial.

Look forward to your response!

In verse 8, Daniel was not considering the beasts, IN THE VISION, but rather the 10 horns that he also saw IN THE VISION.
What he noticed was that IN THE VISION, a little horn was coming up among the 10, but the little horn was not of the 10, because if he was of the 10, God would've said that the little horn would make it 11 horns. And we all know that even in Rev. there are ONLY 10 horns, even IN THAT VISION.

So then, the problem isn't that both God and ourselves can't count, but rather we are misunderstanding the words that specifically describe from what beast the little horn rose out of.
8I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom [prior to the little horn rising] three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots [meaning, no longer in existence as world rulers].

Q. What 3 horns, had come to their END, BEFORE the little horn began his rising, among the 10 horns, IN THE VISION?
A. The Medio-Persian empire, symbolized as a "Ram" having 2 horns, and the Grecian Empire, symbolized as the "he goat", having 1 notable horn between his eyes, aka Alex the Great.

Now, not that the Grecian empire ended, but rather the "notable horn" himself ended, because we all know the history of it. When Alex died, he had no heirs to give his kingdom to, therefore it was his four Generals that continued in the Grecian Empire, by dividing it up four ways, aka the four Hellenistic kingdoms, which was "in the latter time of their kingdom", being that of the Grecian empire, the 3rd beast.

 

[CTK]

In verse 8, Daniel was not considering the beasts, IN THE VISION, but rather the 10 horns that he also saw IN THE VISION.
What he noticed was that IN THE VISION, a little horn was coming up among the 10, but the little horn was not of the 10, because if he was of the 10, God would've said that the little horn would make it 11 horns. And we all know that even in Rev. there are ONLY 10 horns, even IN THAT VISION.

So then, the problem isn't that both God and ourselves can't count, but rather we are misunderstanding the words that specifically describe from what beast the little horn rose out of.
8I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom [prior to the little horn rising] three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots [meaning, no longer in existence as world rulers].

Q. What 3 horns, had come to their END, BEFORE the little horn began his rising, among the 10 horns, IN THE VISION?
A. The Medio-Persian empire, symbolized as a "Ram" having 2 horns, and the Grecian Empire, symbolized as the "he goat", having 1 notable horn between his eyes, aka Alex the Great.

Now, not that the Grecian empire ended, but rather the "notable horn" himself ended, because we all know the history of it. When Alex died, he had no heirs to give his kingdom to, therefore it was his four Generals that continued in the Grecian Empire, by dividing it up four ways, aka the four Hellenistic kingdoms, which was "in the latter time of their kingdom", being that of the Grecian empire, the 3rd beast.

Thanks for your response. I think we can call it a day, best wishes.

 

[Bladerunner]

In verse 8, Daniel was not considering the beasts, IN THE VISION, but rather the 10 horns that he also saw IN THE VISION.
What he noticed was that IN THE VISION, a little horn was coming up among the 10, but the little horn was not of the 10, because if he was of the 10, God would've said that the little horn would make it 11 horns. And we all know that even in Rev. there are ONLY 10 horns, even IN THAT VISION.

It is amazing....that you know what GOD would have said...and you read it literally, then you would find out who/what that little horn is.

So then, the problem isn't that both God and ourselves can't count, but rather we are misunderstanding the words that specifically describe from what beast the little horn rose out of.

I am glad to know that you at least consider God has the ability to count.

8I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom [prior to the little horn rising] three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots [meaning, no longer in existence as world rulers].

are we still on Dan 8. I can't recall ten ten kingdoms in this vision?

Q. What 3 horns, had come to their END, BEFORE the little horn began his rising, among the 10 horns, IN THE VISION?

Again are we still in Dan 8 vision.??

A. The Medio-Persian empire, symbolized as a "Ram" having 2 horns, and the Grecian Empire, symbolized as the "he goat", having 1 notable horn between his eyes, aka Alex the Great.

Yes, it appears we are in Dan 8.

Now, not that the Grecian empire ended, but rather the "notable horn" himself ended, because we all know the history of it. When Alex died, he had no heirs to give his kingdom to, therefore it was his four Generals that continued in the Grecian Empire, by dividing it up four ways, aka the four Hellenistic kingdoms, which was "in the latter time of their kingdom", being that of the Grecian empire, the 3rd beast.

How can four become the 3rd beast...These are four kingdoms, Gresian to be sure but not the Army that Alexander the Great was in charge of..It was because of him that Persia/Medo empire failed.

By the way where are the 10 horns (ten kingdoms/kings) you are very confusing.....

 

[Earburner]

It is amazing....that you know what GOD would have said...and you read it literally, then you would find out who/what that little horn is.

I am glad to know that you at least consider God has the ability to count.

are we still on Dan 8. I can't recall ten ten kingdoms in this vision?

Again are we still in Dan 8 vision.??

Yes, it appears we are in Dan 8.

How can four become the 3rd beast...These are four kingdoms, Gresian to be sure but not the Army that Alexander the Great was in charge of..It was because of him that Persia/Medo empire failed.

By the way where are the 10 horns (ten kingdoms/kings) you are very confusing.....

I was commenting on Dan. 7:8 that "CTK" had posted to me.
Your problem is by believing what most of what "church-ianity" teaches about that verse.
The following is the issue that most don't understand:
Dan. 7:
8 I was considering the [10] horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom [prior to the little horn rising] three of the FIRST horns were plucked out by the roots [meaning, no longer in existence as world rulers].

Q. What 3 horns, had come to their END, BEFORE the little horn began his rising, among the 10 horns, IN THE VISION?
(Clue: the 10 horns have nothing to do with the question, but three of the FIRST horns do.)
A. The Medio-Persian empire, symbolized as a "Ram" having 2 horns, and the Grecian Empire, symbolized as the "he goat", having 1 notable horn between his eyes, aka Alex the Great.

 

[CTK]

I was commenting on Dan. 7:8 that "CTK" had posted to me.
Your problem is by believing what most of what "church-ianity" teaches about that verse.
The following is the issue that most don't understand:
Dan. 7:
8 I was considering the [10] horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom [prior to the little horn rising] three of the FIRST horns were plucked out by the roots [meaning, no longer in existence as world rulers].

Q. What 3 horns, had come to their END, BEFORE the little horn began his rising, among the 10 horns, IN THE VISION?
(Clue: the 10 horns have nothing to do with the question, but three of the FIRST horns do.)
A. The Medio-Persian empire, symbolized as a "Ram" having 2 horns, and the Grecian Empire, symbolized as the "he goat", having 1 notable horn between his eyes, aka Alex the Great.

7:7“After this (After the 3rd kingdom was gone), I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts (pagan Rome) that were before it, and it had ten horns (it -pagan Rome had 10 horns). 8I was considering the horns, (Daniel was considering the 10 horns trying to make sense out of them),and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, (the LH came up after the 10 came up) before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots (this LH came up before the 3 of the 10 horns were plucked up because he (LH) was responsible for plucking them up). And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking [c]pompous words.

And ALL of this took place WITHIN THE 4TH BEAST KINGDOM OF PAGAN ROME.

 

[Bladerunner]

I was commenting on Dan. 7:8 that "CTK" had posted to me.

Good to know what chapter one is on.

Your problem is by believing what most of what "church-ianity" teaches about that verse.

I read them literally and they tell me all I need to know.

The following is the issue that most don't understand:
Dan. 7:
8 I was considering the [10] horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom [prior to the little horn rising] three of the FIRST horns were plucked out by the roots [meaning, no longer in existence as world rulers].

Q. What 3 horns, had come to their END, BEFORE the little horn began his rising, among the 10 horns, IN THE VISION?
(Clue: the 10 horns have nothing to do with the question, but three of the FIRST horns do.)
A. The Medio-Persian empire, symbolized as a "Ram" having 2 horns, and the Grecian Empire, symbolized as the "he goat", having 1 notable horn between his eyes, aka Alex the Great.

wrong....Anti-Christ.....Dan 7:21:"I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;" This chapter 7 and 8 are a little more prophetic than you think.....The fourth beast is Rome I . It is literal and the vision is interpreted beginning..... dan 7:15

 

[Bladerunner]

7:7“After this (After the 3rd kingdom was gone), I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts (pagan Rome) that were before it, and it had ten horns (it -pagan Rome had 10 horns). 8I was considering the horns, (Daniel was considering the 10 horns trying to make sense out of them),and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, (the LH came up after the 10 came up) before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots (this LH came up before the 3 of the 10 horns were plucked up because he (LH) was responsible for plucking them up). And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking [c]pompous words.

And ALL of this took place WITHIN THE 4TH BEAST KINGDOM OF PAGAN ROME.

again the 4th beast is as you say Rome I and the little Horn is the Anti-Christ. Look to verse 23..:"Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces."