Return of the prodigal angel - The Triumph of Grace

[NotTheRock]

But I do acknowledge that can food is profitable and beneficial, keeping one alive but not at optimal health.

Most Christians are unable to see the truth of universal salvation, despite the plethora of scriptural support. They are still only able to consume milk and aren't yet ready for meat. I suppose we should be thankful and humble for being blessed with the ability to know this amazing truth.

 

[One 2 question]

My guess is that the people chosen by Christ to sit on the thrones and judge others will be the most humble people imaginable. That excludes proud Christians with Himalayan egos.

The great thing is that ALL followers of Christ, His sheep, those whose names are written in Christ's book of life will reign with Him. Great news!

 

[face2face]

An interesting discussion was occurring in the Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from? topic.

This may be the most detailed view on the subject of Christian Universalism that I have posted to date.

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The word "prodigal" in your post triggered these thoughts. (I am reluctant to claim prophetic revelation)
As a Christian Universalist I actually understand your post quote above on some level. But I can imagine what it sounds like to others.

From a biblical perspective:
1) Jesus taught us that it is godly behavior to love our enemies. Who is God's #1 enemy?
2) Every knee will bow and every tongue willingly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. Satan has knees and a tongue.
3) The prodigal son was restored to his former authority (robe and ring) and to full son-ship.

Therefore, from a biblical perspective it is possible that Satan will be forgiven and restored as the ULTIMATE triumph of grace.

Granted, we are not informed of this in a straight forward manner, and there is biblical evidence to refute the idea. But... God is full of surprises, and usually unannounced.

- The Red Sea crossing. Who saw that coming?
- The Jordan River parting. Who saw that coming?
- The walls of Jericho falling. Who saw that coming?
- David and Goliath. Who saw that coming?
- Samson's victory against the Philistines. Who saw that coming?
- The resurrection of Jesus Christ. Who saw that coming?
- The outpouring at Pentecost. Who saw that coming?
Shall I continue? So... who knows?

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Continued in the next post.

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- The Red Sea crossing. Who saw that coming? Egypt perishes in the waters
- The Jordan River parting. Who saw that coming? Ah yes, no other way to cross over!
- The walls of Jericho falling. Who saw that coming? Inhabitants destroyed except a remnant saved!
- David and Goliath. Who saw that coming? Sin defeated!
- Samson's victory against the Philistines. Who saw that coming? Samson did
- The resurrection of Jesus Christ. Who saw that coming? From Genesis 3 its been the hope of all the Elect
- The outpouring at Pentecost. Who saw that coming? The faithfull who were told the Spirit would be poured out on them
Shall I continue? So... who knows?

Here's one though...

Christians expect a Lamb to return and they get a Lion?

Do you know the difference between a lamb and a lion?

F2F

 

[NotTheRock]

The great thing is that ALL followers of Christ, His sheep, those whose names are written in Christ's book of life will reign with Him. Great news!

It would be BEYOND amazing if Jesus returned TOMORROW and put an end to Satan's rule and we could live forever without EVER experiencing death!

 

[One 2 question]

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It would be BEYOND amazing if Jesus returned TOMORROW and put an end to Satan's rule and we could live forever without EVER experiencing death!

Absolutely! I'm ok to head home in 4 minutes. I just need to use the bathroom first. Actually we won't need to relieve ourselves anymore. Yay! So right now would be great.

 

[NotTheRock]

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Absolutely! I'm ok to head home in 4 minutes. I just need to use the bathroom first. Actually we won't need to relieve ourselves anymore. Yay! So right now would be great.

Did you post elsewhere about how God first came to you to reveal things to you? I'd love to read it if you can provide a link!

 

[One 2 question]

Po

I disagree, brother. Satan is doing what God created him to do. When the job is finished Jesus will purify and transform Satan into perfection. The Bible doesn't say it, but I believe angels too are participating in the same learning process that we humans are experiencing. I base this belief on the scripture that discussed fallen angels being locked away in Tartarus. Anyway, that's my guess.

Point taken. But at some stage Satan will turn to the One Who created him. At that time his Creator will appoint Satan a throne to His left.

Beyond this revelation, Creator hasn't revealed anything further.

 

[NotTheRock]

Po

Point taken. But at some stage Satan will turn to the One Who created him. At that time his Creator will appoint Satan a throne to His left.

Beyond this revelation, Creator hasn't revealed anything further.

I'm not doubting you, but I always figured that the Holy Spirit would be sitting to the left of our Holy Father. Interestingly, Revelation speaks of a throne shared by God and "the lamb" but doesn't mention the Holy Spirit. Fascinating stuff to ponder!

 

[One 2 question]

I'm not doubting you, but I always figured that the Holy Spirit would be sitting to the left of our Holy Father. Interestingly, Revelation speaks of a throne shared by God and "the lamb" but doesn't mention the Holy Spirit. Fascinating stuff to ponder!

Yes, I can't unseen the revelation Holy Spirit gave to me of Satan's redemption, reconciliation,
restoration. It is beautiful! GOD and Their ways are beautiful! Their manifold wisdom is incredible!

 

[th1b.taylor]

Seems that they prefer canned food that is past its expiration date, while you prefer it fresh from the garden. - LOL

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It is a matter of great despair and not funny at all that, apparently, neither of you accept what Yehovah has recorded as His Standard for true.

 

[th1b.taylor]

No brother. After all, Satan is doing EXACTLY what God created him to do, which is to test us. God didn't create Satan or any other entity to be used, discarded, and tortured forever. Besides, 1 Corinthians 15:25 says that Jesus will reign UNTIL all (ALL!) remaining beings are gleefully following him.

1 Corinthians 15:25
English Standard Version
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

You have drawn this sentence from a letter with much more content and made trash of it... sad.

 

[NotTheRock]

You have drawn this sentence from a letter with much more content and made trash of it... sad.

How DARE you defy me!

 

[Aunty Jane]

The great thing is that the Spirit is revealing new truths to various people and by wherever means He chooses. The contributors of the many books in the bible are but a few. The members of the church over its 2000 year life has been a constant means of bearing divine truths.

I love receiving new truths, new in the sense that they aren't mentioned in the bible.

Oh that all members of the church would receive new direct revelations and prophesy.

Sorry but that is a big red flag….
God has one instruction manual….just one….and all we need to know is contained in that one book. Jesus taught from that book and so did his apostles.

Any excursions outside of that book is from a questionable source which cannot be verified. What would happen if all the people who thought they had a revelation from God….actually didn’t, but they were convinced that it was…..should you believe every “inspired utterance” ?…..how do you know who inspired those “new and direct revelations and prophesy”?….how can you tell, when they are all contradictory and nothing to do with what is written in Scripture…..big red flags indeed. Completely devoid of verification.

The Bible speaks about “strong delusions” that people have that God will allow them to keep, because their minds have been willingly blinded by “the god of this world”….pretending to be what he is not. (2 Thess 2:9-12; 2 Cor 4:3-4) His “angel of light” trick gets people every time. The only way to test that something is true is if it is corroborated elsewhere in the Bible…because Scripture does not contradict itself….but men’s interpretation often does.

The Bible is one book, with one story, and one author….harmonious from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You're describing yourself. Paul said that Jesus IS the savior of ALL people, Ronald. And do you know why Paul made that statement? Obviously you do not. The answer, Ronald, is that Jesus actually DOES save ALL people! Paul said so here and elsewhere. So why do you reject Paul's numerous statements that demonstrate that Jesus saves ALL?

1 Timothy 4:10-11
English Standard Version
10 For to this end we toil and strive,[a] because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

11 Command and teach these things.

So you are a universalist then! Okay we can all stop evangelizing and spending billions on foreign missions then- all will be saved no matter what!

 

[NotTheRock]

So you are a universalist then! Okay we can all stop evangelizing and spending billions on foreign missions then- all will be saved no matter what!

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing - ignoring scripture. Your ego compels you to make the scriptures fit your infallible understanding instead of humbly going to where the scriptures take you. Your self-pride blinds you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing - ignoring scripture. Your ego compels you to make the scriptures fit your infallible understanding instead of humbly going to where the scriptures take you. Your self-pride blinds you.

I didn't mention Scripture once in that post! So I cannot twist it in that post. I merely made a statement that you are a universalist for you believe all will be saved! I do not ignore Scripture but take all the salient passages into account and the bible clearly quotes Jesus when He said the many will find the path to everlasting destruction. That destroys universalist thought

I do not believe my understanding is infallible. but after 50 years of studying and teaching Gods Word I have acquired some knowledge of Scripture.
YOu should read JOhn 3 and see in Jesus own words that not all will be saved. And those are His Words not mine and my ego has no skin in this game no matter what lie you spin in you rresponses. Trying to read my heart is a fools game.

 

[NotTheRock]

I didn't mention Scripture once in that post! So I cannot twist it in that post. I merely made a statement that you are a universalist for you believe all will be saved! I do not ignore Scripture but take all the salient passages into account and the bible clearly quotes Jesus when He said the many will find the path to everlasting destruction. That destroys universalist thought

I do not believe my understanding is infallible. but after 50 years of studying and teaching Gods Word I have acquired some knowledge of Scripture.
YOu should read JOhn 3 and see in Jesus own words that not all will be saved. And those are His Words not mine and my ego has no skin in this game no matter what lie you spin in you rresponses. Trying to read my heart is a fools game.

Ok. No more.

 

[One 2 question]

So you are a universalist then! Okay we can all stop evangelizing and spending billions on foreign missions then- all will be saved no matter what!

When you say, all will be saved, what do you mean by, be saved?

 

[Ritajanice]

@One 2 question ..said.

That is the strangest thing I've heard in a while. Strange because Christ reveals His Father to me by Their resident Spirit regularly.



I agree that we are led by the Spirit 100%..that’s comes imo, after we grow and mature in Christ, I mean,we never stop growing do we.

I also believe that the Spirit prompts us to do things, before you know, it’s been done ,if that makes sense.

I was prompted by the Lord to ring a family member last night, long story.( we had a huge falling out ,)...it turns out they have been extremely unwell...

I believe as we submit to the Lord, he reveals more and more of himself to us...what do you think?

 

[Ritajanice]

@One 2 question ..said.

When you say, all will be saved, what do you mean by, be saved?

RJ..,when we are Born Again we are then saved from eternal damnation.....we must be Born Again,imo, testimony/ belief.

A Born Again is in the righteousness of Christ/ right before God...regenerated by the Spirit Of God.


Isaiah 61:10-11 New International Version (NIV) For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness, as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.