IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?

[amigo de christo]

Who is "conforming?" Many are martyrs for a wrong cause.
This thread has potential-for God's glory and of Jesus Christ.

Iron sharpens iron amigo.


Gal 1:6 A Different Gospel
¶ I am astonished that you are turning away so quickly from the one who called you by the grace of Christ to a different gospel,
Gal 1:7 not that there is a different gospel , except there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim a gospel to you contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let him be accursed!
Gal 1:9 As we said before, and now I say again, if anyone is proclaiming a gospel to you contrary to what you have received, let him be accursed!
Gal 1:10 For am I now making an appeal to people or to God? Or am I seeking to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a slave of Christ.

No one on this forum is deliberately or willfully about to preach a different gospel.-and this gospel is Christ Jesus, Him crucified, Him resurrected.
1Co 2:2 For I decided not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

J.

Well i never said you were conforming , but many are and have already conformed to the lie . now they see its as love
and believe its of GOD , but its of darkness and was and has been spawned by the father of lies
who always sells to man that which pleases their flesh .
But i do have one question . johann if you were teaching a group about a subject
and then you noticed someone in that same group was spouting out a false gospel . TELL ME
are you gonna allow that person to continue to spout out a lie , or are you gonna correct them
SOMEONE on this thread was spouting a false gospel . AND I DO ITEND TO find out WHO it was and BIG TIME REBUKE
them very SHARPLY before all so that all others may KNOW ITS A FALSE PILE OF DUNG getting sold .
SO the faster one can point me to the one who spouted out the muslims , jews and christains worship the same GOD
THE SOONER I can get the job done and perhaps return to the topic at hand .

 

[Johann]

I know a lot of Christians that don't know about the reformed/calvinist faith.
Maybe I became interested to learn about it because I couldn't believe my initial encounter with these doctrine
and how out of touch they were with everything I knew.
So it took years of reading and digesting stuff way before there was internet....
But the internet did make it easier... listening to persons that left Christianity altogether because they
came to believe that a God like the reformed teach could not really exist...
Or many that left Calvinism and entered into the Catholic or Protestant churches....
all of which teach something or other that is not found in scripture - but at least they don't change the character of God.
So, I don't know if many are willing to put in the time that it takes to understand this belief system...

Le mie scuse, sorella.

J.

 

[Johann]

Well i never said you were conforming , but many are and have already conformed to the lie . now they see its as love
and believe its of GOD , but its of darkness and was and has been spawned by the father of lies
who always sells to man that which pleases their flesh .
But i do have one question . johann if you were teaching a group about a subject
and then you noticed someone in that same group was spouting out a false gospel . TELL ME
are you gonna allow that person to continue to spout out a lie , or are you gonna correct them
SOMEONE on this thread was spouting a false gospel . AND I DO ITEND TO find out WHO it was and BIG TIME REBUKE
them very SHARPLY before all so that all others may KNOW ITS A FALSE PILE OF DUNG getting sold .
SO the faster one can point me to the one who spouted out the muslims , jews and christains worship the same GOD
THE SOONER I can get the job done and perhaps return to the topic at hand .

Are you referring to my post?

I'm right here, in your face.

J.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Well i never said you were conforming , but many are and have already conformed to the lie . now they see its as love
and believe its of GOD , but its of darkness and was and has been spawned by the father of lies
who always sells to man that which pleases their flesh .
But i do have one question . johann if you were teaching a group about a subject
and then you noticed someone in that same group was spouting out a false gospel . TELL ME
are you gonna allow that person to continue to spout out a lie , or are you gonna correct them
SOMEONE on this thread was spouting a false gospel . AND I DO ITEND TO find out WHO it was and BIG TIME REBUKE
them very SHARPLY before all so that all others may KNOW ITS A FALSE PILE OF DUNG getting sold .
SO the faster one can point me to the one who spouted out the muslims , jews and christains worship the same GOD
THE SOONER I can get the job done and perhaps return to the topic at hand .

 

[GodsGrace]

Le mie scuse, sorella.

J.

For what? No problem.
@amigo de christo stated that he didn't know about reformed theology.
I just wanted to say that it's not an easy topic to learn....
it's so far from what Jesus taught...

And then there's The Confessions they throw at you...
The Baptist Confession, The Westminster Confession...
had to go through those too, although they're basically the same.

It's like if you talk to a Catholic and they post the Catechism of the Catholic Church...
some of it is biblical and some of it is not....so really the CCC should not be used in posts,
just like the Confessions should not be used. But they are by intelligent reformed persons so it's
just another layer we have to deal with.

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you referring to my post?

I'm right here, in your face.

J.

Johann what would you tell a person who said the jews , christains , muslims and etc worship the same GOD in different ways .
I really need to hear your answer on this topic my friend .
But allow me to make mine first . ITS A LIE . IF JESUS told the jews who did not beleive HE was the CHRIST
their papa was the devil .
IF JESUS told the unbeliging jews who claimed to be of abraham , of moses
That if they were truly of abraham they would have done the works of abraham
or had you believed MOSES you would have believed me .
TELL ME How on earth satans right hand mulsim religoin gets a pass . ANYONE can cliam to be of abraham
of moses of ishmael or even of ISACC , they can cliam to keep the law , to heed moses
BUT ANYONE WHO HEARS NOT CHRIST , WHO BELIEVES NOT ON HIM , DENIES HIM , THEY Are in total darkness
and under the influence of SATAN HIMSELF . but if you dont believe me
then at least believe JESUS who said so and later paul who JESUS told this too . YEAH we getting sold a lie johann .

 

[GodsGrace]

Well i never said you were conforming , but many are and have already conformed to the lie . now they see its as love
and believe its of GOD , but its of darkness and was and has been spawned by the father of lies
who always sells to man that which pleases their flesh .
But i do have one question . johann if you were teaching a group about a subject
and then you noticed someone in that same group was spouting out a false gospel . TELL ME
are you gonna allow that person to continue to spout out a lie , or are you gonna correct them
SOMEONE on this thread was spouting a false gospel . AND I DO ITEND TO find out WHO it was and BIG TIME REBUKE
them very SHARPLY before all so that all others may KNOW ITS A FALSE PILE OF DUNG getting sold .
SO the faster one can point me to the one who spouted out the muslims , jews and christains worship the same GOD
THE SOONER I can get the job done and perhaps return to the topic at hand .

I don't think anyone on this thread stated that Jews and Muslims and Christians serve the same God.
I could have missed it, but I don't think so.

 

[Johann]

For what? No problem.
@amigo de christo stated that he didn't know about reformed theology.
I just wanted to say that it's not an easy topic to learn....
it's so far from what Jesus taught...

And then there's The Confessions they throw at you...
The Baptist Confession, The Westminster Confession...
had to go through those too, although they're basically the same.

It's like if you talk to a Catholic and they post the Catechism of the Catholic Church...
some of it is biblical and some of it is not....so really the CCC should not be used in posts,
just like the Confessions should not be used. But they are by intelligent reformed persons so it's
just another layer we have to deal with.

The man is not willing to learn or read up the doctrines of Reformed theology nor the Confessions in order to rebut anything.

Now what?

J.

 

[MatthewG]

For what? No problem.
@amigo de christo stated that he didn't know about reformed theology.
I just wanted to say that it's not an easy topic to learn....
it's so far from what Jesus taught...

And then there's The Confessions they throw at you...
The Baptist Confession, The Westminster Confession...
had to go through those too, although they're basically the same.

It's like if you talk to a Catholic and they post the Catechism of the Catholic Church...
some of it is biblical and some of it is not....so really the CCC should not be used in posts,
just like the Confessions should not be used. But they are by intelligent reformed persons so it's
just another layer we have to deal with.

Reformed theology, IE: Calvinism, can include Evangalism, is most certainly taught with in the confines of a university. Many young adults will be learning it, and it's one of the fastest growing aspects of religion today, in my opinion.

 

[MatthewG]

Reformed theology, IE: Calvinism, can include Evangalism, is most certainly taught with in the confines of a university. Many young adults will be learning it, and it's one of the fastest growing aspects of religion today, in my opinion.

I've probably been banned on a couple of forum sites like that before and it's rather radical. It similar to politicians, you have your far left and far right, and you have your EXTREMES.

I use to believe a lot of things which still get taught in churches today but no longer do I truly believe those people are doing a good service to their flock, however that is me judging the criteria taught, and if or not a bible is actually being properly addressed.

In the end I'll always judge a "church" I walked into, for those criteria. But it's God's job to judge the people.

 

[Johann]

Johann what would you tell a person who said the jews , christains , muslims and etc worship the same GOD in different ways .
I really need to hear your answer on this topic my friend .
But allow me to make mine first . ITS A LIE . IF JESUS told the jews who did not beleive HE was the CHRIST
their papa was the devil .
IF JESUS told the unbeliging jews who claimed to be of abraham , of moses
That if they were truly of abraham they would have done the works of abraham
or had you believed MOSES you would have believed me .
TELL ME How on earth satans right hand mulsim religoin gets a pass . ANYONE can cliam to be of abraham
of moses of ishmael or even of ISACC , they can cliam to keep the law , to heed moses
BUT ANYONE WHO HEARS NOT CHRIST , WHO BELIEVES NOT ON HIM , DENIES HIM , THEY Are in total darkness
and under the influence of SATAN HIMSELF . but if you dont believe me
then at least believe JESUS who said so and later paul who JESUS told this too . YEAH we getting sold a lie johann .

You remind me of a Jew wailing at the wrong wall-make no mistake, I love the Jews and Israel.

You better get from your hiding place, step into the light and tell me in my face I'm wrong or willfully dishonor Jesus Christ in ANY of my posts online, on this Forum--you are not here to contribute to this thread.

And your verse you love so much, neglecting context Amigo-

The context of the instruction to "rebuke sharply" in Titus 1:13 arises within the broader theme of sound doctrine and church leadership. The Apostle Paul is writing to Titus to address issues within the Cretan church, which was facing challenges due to false teachers and disobedience among certain members.

Contextual Analysis:
False Teachers: In Titus 1:10-16, Paul identifies the presence of insubordinate individuals and false teachers in Crete, particularly those from the circumcision party. These individuals were promoting misleading doctrines that contradicted the teachings of Christ, leading others astray. Paul emphasizes the need for church leaders to uphold sound doctrine and refute these false teachings.

Authority of Church Leaders: The call to "rebuke sharply" is given in the context of establishing authority in church leadership. Paul instructs Titus to appoint elders who are able to teach sound doctrine and correct those who contradict it. This authority is crucial for maintaining the integrity of the faith community (Titus 1:5, 1:9).

Purpose of Rebuke: The sharp rebuke is meant not just for punishment but for the purpose of correction and restoration. Paul’s intention is to encourage repentance and to protect the church from the harmful effects of false teachings. By confronting these issues decisively, church leaders can help restore soundness in faith and conduct.

Related Verses:
2 Timothy 4:2: Paul exhorts Timothy to "preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." This further highlights the importance of addressing false teachings while maintaining a focus on instructive correction.

Matthew 18:15-17: This passage outlines the process of confronting a brother or sister who sins against you, emphasizing a spirit of restoration while addressing sin. While it is primarily about personal disputes, the principles of confrontation apply to broader issues within the church.


The directive to "rebuke sharply" in Titus 1:13 reflects the need for decisive action against false teachings and a commitment to sound doctrine within the church. Paul emphasizes the importance of leadership that can both uphold the truth and confront errors effectively, aiming ultimately for the spiritual health of the community.

You are not in Crete and last time I've checked your name is not Titus, Paul or Timothy.

Step in line or stay on topic.

J.

 

[Johann]

Johann what would you tell a person who said the jews , christains , muslims and etc worship the same GOD in different ways .
I really need to hear your answer on this topic my friend .

Read the link from Sam Shamoun which I used on the UnOrthodox Forum.

Myth Busters: Allah is the Same as the God of the Bible

“O, swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon,
That monthly changes in her circled orb,
Lest that thy love prove likewise variable.”
– Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet

Differing Views of the Nature of the Deity
A God of Love Versus a God of Hate
Putting a Difference Between the Holy and Unholy
Traces of Pre-Islamic Paganism in Attitude and Practice
Allah as the Pre-Islamic Arabian High God
Ilah and the Sumerian Origins of Allah
Enter the Moon God
Bel, Baal, and Hubal
Dushara – Proto-Islamic Arabian High God
Hadad/Rimmon and the Islamic Rahman
What Does It All Mean?


One of the most common assertions that we hear when a comparison between Islam and the Judaeo-Christian tradition is made is that both conventions essentially worship the same God. Allah, it is said, is merely another name for Jehovah, the God of the Bible. Such statements are often made by those who are attempting to bring these disparate religions together in the spirit of ecumenism. Likewise, the claim is also made by Muslims who seek to assuage Christian and Jewish opposition to Islam, often as a prelude to dawah, extending an “invitation” to accept Islam that usually comes at the end of Muslim attempts at proselytism. The superficial characteristic of monotheism is emphasized, while the vast differences between God and Allah are ignored. Vast differences there are indeed. As will be shown below, the characteristics of Allah and the God of the Bible are quite different. Further, the origin of Allah will be seen from WITHIN the pagan system of the ancient Near East, not as an outsider and opponent of that system who nevertheless was sometimes treated syncretistically by compromising followers (as was the case with Jehovah in the Hebrew scriptures), but instead as one who was integrally important to pagan beliefs during the long process that eventually led to his monotheization.

Differing Views of the Nature of the Deity

There are many differences between the attributes of God and Allah. First, there is the attribute of knowability, the idea that human beings may know God and enjoy a personal relationship with the Creator. God, as He is revealed in the Bible, allows Himself to be known and fellowshipped with on a personal basis by those who have trusted in Him through His Son Jesus Christ. John 17:3 says, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” The Bible presents God as a Being who intimately reveals Himself to man, and who encourages us to learn of Him and enter into ever closer fellowship with Him. The Bible presents a God who had a personal relationship with Abraham such that Abraham was called “The friend of God.” The God of the Bible wants for mankind to come to Him, be cleansed of their sins, and enjoy this close personal fellowship. “Draw nigh unto God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.” (James 4:8)

Myth Busters: Allah is the Same as the God of the Bible

“O, swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon,That monthly changes in her circled orb,Lest that thy love prove likewise variable.”- Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet Differing Views of the Nature of t…

answeringislamblog.wordpress.com

Read the rest.

J.

 

[GodsGrace]

Reformed theology, IE: Calvinism, can include Evangalism, is most certainly taught with in the confines of a university. Many young adults will be learning it, and it's one of the fastest growing aspects of religion today, in my opinion.

I agree with all of the above except for the first sentence.
You said: CALVINISM CAN INCLUDE EVANGELISM
I think you meant evangelization...
which is the attempt to bring someone to christianity or to tell them about the gospel.

Sounds like you probably reformed, if so I have a question for you:
Why evangelize if it will be God to decide who is saved and who is not?

 

[MatthewG]

I agree with all of the above except for the first sentence.
You said: CALVINISM CAN INCLUDE EVANGELISM
I think you meant evangelization...
which is the attempt to bring someone to christianity or to tell them about the gospel.

Sounds like you probably reformed, if so I have a question for you:

Why don't you just ask me, are you reformed? I would say I learned about it, but no. I am not.

Why evangelize if it will be God to decide who is saved and who is not?

College universitys that are Christian can teach the ways of Evangelism cant they?
I know there are private schools, which claim "Christian" in the title. There is some to of criteria being met to teach those students.

It's called or Sola Scriptura, something like that.

I hate evangelism, or "Sola Scriptura."

My personal opinion is they are intermingled together, @GodsGrace... and you don't have to agree with me, but if you wanna know something just be straight forward. I personally do not feel need to answer your question.

 

[GodsGrace]

I've probably been banned on a couple of forum sites like that before and it's rather radical. It similar to politicians, you have your far left and far right, and you have your EXTREMES.

Threads on Calvinism get pretty heated most times.
I'm not meaning to blame it on the reformed, but I can assure you that it's usually the reformed that get snarky and insulting and before you know it the thread has to be locked and sometimes, one of the members has to be time banned.
I sure hope you're not one of those - I don't think so.

I do want to state that I believe calvinism to be extreme....
Because it's so radically different from anything the other denominations teach.

I use to believe a lot of things which still get taught in churches today but no longer do I truly believe those people are doing a good service to their flock, however that is me judging the criteria taught, and if or not a bible is actually being properly addressed.

In the end I'll always judge a "church" I walked into, for those criteria. But it's God's job to judge the people.

I agree with you.
God is sovereign and is the judge in everything.

Why do you think calvinism is growing at this time?
(there does seem to be an ebb and flow to it -- it comes and goes through the years from its beginning).

 

[GodsGrace]

Why don't you just ask me, are you reformed? I would say I learned about it, but no. I am not.


College universitys that are Christian can teach the ways of Evangelism cant they?
I know there are private schools, which claim "Christian" in the title. There is some to of criteria being met to teach those students.

It's called or Sola Scriptura, something like that.

I hate evangelism, or "Sola Scriptura."

My personal opinion is they are intermingled together, @GodsGrace... and you don't have to agree with me, but if you wanna know something just be straight forward. I personally do not feel need to answer your question.

Sorry 'bout that.
I do apologize.
I forget what my question was....
Oh. Why evangelize if reformed theology is true.
Of course you shouldn't answer because you're not reformed.
Would you care to guess as to why it's popular right now?

 

[Johann]

 

[GodsGrace]

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Right!
And that's just the beginning...
How about this:
FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.
Romans 3:23

It means what it says. Simple.

Calvinist logic:
Man is born so depraved that he is dead and unable to reach out to God.

(that's a lot of adding to a verse!)

 

[Johann]

Right!
And that's just the beginning...
How about this:
FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.
Romans 3:23

It means what it says. Simple.

Calvinist logic:
Man is born so depraved that he is dead and unable to reach out to God.

(that's a lot of adding to a verse!)

Here's more to "add--"

Ephesians 2:1 - “Dead in trespasses and sins”
Calvinist Interpretation: Calvinists argue that "dead" means total spiritual incapacity, implying that a person is unable to respond to God or choose faith unless regenerated by God first (Total Depravity).

Critique: Many non-Calvinists contend that "dead" refers to being spiritually alienated from God but does not mean total inability to respond to God’s offer of salvation. They argue that Scripture speaks of people hearing and responding to God’s call without being regenerated beforehand (cf. Acts 17:30, Romans 10:17).

2. Romans 9:13-18 - “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Calvinist Interpretation: This passage is used to support unconditional election, where God chooses some for salvation and others for reprobation purely based on His sovereign will, not on foreseen faith or works.

Critique: Non-Calvinists argue that this text speaks of God's corporate election of Israel (Jacob) over Edom (Esau), not individual predestination to eternal life or death. Furthermore, they claim the "hatred" refers to a lesser degree of love or favor rather than literal condemnation to hell.

3. John 6:44 - "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."
Calvinist Interpretation: Calvinists interpret this as supporting Irresistible Grace—that God's drawing is only for the elect and cannot be resisted.

Critique: Non-Calvinists point out that the Greek word for "draw" (ἑλκύω helkyo) can mean to "attract" or "persuade" rather than force, and that God's drawing can be resisted (Acts 7:51). They argue that God's drawing is extended to all, but individuals still have the free will to reject it (John 12:32).

4. John 10:28-29 - “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.”
Calvinist Interpretation: Calvinists interpret this passage as support for Perseverance of the Saints—that once a person is saved, they are eternally secure and cannot lose their salvation.

Critique: Some non-Calvinists argue that this passage emphasizes God's protection but does not negate human responsibility or the possibility of apostasy. They point to warnings throughout the New Testament about the danger of falling away (Hebrews 6:4-6, Galatians 5:4).

5. Romans 3:10-12 - "None is righteous, no, not one."
Calvinist Interpretation: This verse is cited to support the doctrine of Total Depravity, meaning that humans are completely sinful and unable to seek God without divine intervention.

Critique: Non-Calvinists agree that all have sinned but argue that this passage does not prove total inability. They emphasize that although no one is righteous on their own, God enables people to seek Him (cf. Isaiah 55:6, Acts 17:27) and choose faith in response to His grace.

A lot of adding and subtracting neglecting context.

J.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here's more to "add--"

Ephesians 2:1 - “Dead in trespasses and sins”
Calvinist Interpretation: Calvinists argue that "dead" means total spiritual incapacity, implying that a person is unable to respond to God or choose faith unless regenerated by God first (Total Depravity).

Critique: Many non-Calvinists contend that "dead" refers to being spiritually alienated from God but does not mean total inability to respond to God’s offer of salvation. They argue that Scripture speaks of people hearing and responding to God’s call without being regenerated beforehand (cf. Acts 17:30, Romans 10:17).

2. Romans 9:13-18 - “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Calvinist Interpretation: This passage is used to support unconditional election, where God chooses some for salvation and others for reprobation purely based on His sovereign will, not on foreseen faith or works.

Critique: Non-Calvinists argue that this text speaks of God's corporate election of Israel (Jacob) over Edom (Esau), not individual predestination to eternal life or death. Furthermore, they claim the "hatred" refers to a lesser degree of love or favor rather than literal condemnation to hell.

3. John 6:44 - "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."
Calvinist Interpretation: Calvinists interpret this as supporting Irresistible Grace—that God's drawing is only for the elect and cannot be resisted.

Critique: Non-Calvinists point out that the Greek word for "draw" (ἑλκύω helkyo) can mean to "attract" or "persuade" rather than force, and that God's drawing can be resisted (Acts 7:51). They argue that God's drawing is extended to all, but individuals still have the free will to reject it (John 12:32).

4. John 10:28-29 - “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.”
Calvinist Interpretation: Calvinists interpret this passage as support for Perseverance of the Saints—that once a person is saved, they are eternally secure and cannot lose their salvation.

Critique: Some non-Calvinists argue that this passage emphasizes God's protection but does not negate human responsibility or the possibility of apostasy. They point to warnings throughout the New Testament about the danger of falling away (Hebrews 6:4-6, Galatians 5:4).

5. Romans 3:10-12 - "None is righteous, no, not one."
Calvinist Interpretation: This verse is cited to support the doctrine of Total Depravity, meaning that humans are completely sinful and unable to seek God without divine intervention.

Critique: Non-Calvinists agree that all have sinned but argue that this passage does not prove total inability. They emphasize that although no one is righteous on their own, God enables people to seek Him (cf. Isaiah 55:6, Acts 17:27) and choose faith in response to His grace.

A lot of adding and subtracting neglecting context.

J.

This is great!
Where do you find this stuff?

As to John 6:44 I'd like to add that the word DRAW is always used in the English, but incorrectly so....
My Italian bible distinguishes between the different Greek words that gets translated as DRAW....
It's getting too late here,,,we could maybe continue tomorrow.

DRAW can mean what you stated above....
or it could mean TO DRAG....the distinction must be made but English does not make this distinction.
In John 6:44 it does indeed mean TO ATTRACT.

Thanks for such a good post.