It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[WPM]

Really? Then why is the only thing you ever talk about is the pre trib believers being the name of the day or something else?

You've never said anything with any substance to it in these threads.

I do not know what you are talking about. This doesn't make sense.

 

[rebuilder 454]

We are talking about biblical evidence for what you claim is biblical. It is simply not there.

We are talking bible verses supporting the truth.
What you claim is not biblical and based on pretending verses are not there.
Your doctrine is simply not there.

See how easy generalities are a safe bet and just nothing burger filler and fluff?
A 10 yr old could do your job.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I do not know what you are talking about. This doesn't make sense.

Default answer 3 out the 4.
Yawn

 

[rebuilder 454]

Pretrib is officially dead and has been for awhile. No pretrib has given even one single coherent argument after all this time it has been discussed in multiple threads. Literally nothing but childish insults and complete gibberish from them. That's it. It's the weakest doctrine imaginable.

Just keep up the fluff.
Safe meaningless filler.
No substance.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I'd like to mention something I have yet to see anyone post.

In Luke 19:12-15, Christ mentions the parable of the ten minas. He says,
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return

We all know Christ died, resurrected and ascended to Heaven. His trip back to that far country to receive himself a kingdom and then return.

Ellicott compares this historical fact which was typical behavior during that time. He says, At the outset we have the new feature of the nobleman going “into a far country to receive a kingdom.” This had an obvious starting-point in the recent history of Judæa. Both the Tetrarch Antipas and Archelaus, on the death of their father, had gone to Rome to submit their claims to the kingdom to the decision of Augustus.

In Revelation 5, Christ appears in the throne room of God as a slain lamb and receives the scroll from the Father. He is found worthy to receive it and to open it; the scroll being the deed to the Earth (the Kingdom).

Notice that once he receives the scroll he will return. Not Twice, but one time. As it says in the next verse:
And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

A better translation would be, do business with this money and increase it till I return. Thats an interesting thought because:
1. It demonstrates Christ in Rev 5 is a past event. He doesnt travel for 2k years to heaven to receive the scroll. He received it in the past as he sat down with God in this throne.
2. When he returns, we are to be still increasing with what he gave us till he returns at his 2nd advent. Not a secret 2nd return, then a third return.

Then Christ said, And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

He then rewards all his servants one by one except there is one that was slothful. And in verse 27 he says,
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

An easy way to portray it is this: Christ goes back to heaven and receives the scroll around 30 AD (Rev 5). He leaves us and we are told to continue his business till he returns. When he does return, we are rewarded (Rev 11:18, Rev 22:12). He then destroys the wicked.

I don't see a Pre-Trib timeline anywhere in this. He returns one more time. We are told to stay till he returns. His reward is when he returns. His return coincides with wrath on the wicked. All of this harmonizes with scripture that isnt Pre-Trib.

But the good news is you could see pre-trib but you don't want to. In those very verses that you posted if you look a little closer you'll see that in that same instance that Jesus does come and open those seals there is a multitude in heaven that are singing about their Redemption from the Earth. It says they are redeemed from every nation tribe and tongue and now they are in heaven and they're giving glory to the lamb. Well there you go there's your pre-trib rapture because how in the world did they get there before the tribulation even started.?

 

[rebuilder 454]

LOL. You guys have zero support for your error. All you have now is avoidance and childishness. If you had Scripture, you would share it.

Your doctrine is dead! Give it a decent burial.

Default answer 2 out of 4.
Are the defaults copy and paste?

 

[rebuilder 454]

LOL. More avoidance. You have to. It is not there. You have been sold a lie.

Where is your trib mentioned in 1 Thess 4 after the rapture?

Again, where are the white horses in 1st Thessalonians chapter 4? Where are the white horses? Where are the white horses? Where are the white horses? So we can conclude your Doctrine is completely off the charts due to the absence of any white horses. See how easy that is? A 10-year-old could take your place with great ease

 

[rebuilder 454]

Nothing to see here folks. Whole bunch of postribbers completely undone, and have now defaulted into just generalized weaponization of weak fluff and filler. Shooting spit balls at us little old pre-tribulation Rapture good guys sitting in front of our open Bibles.
Splat!
Splat!

Then they back slap each other and laugh in pee wee Herman voices.

I will now read all of you guys clown posts in a pee wee Herman voice.

I guess that is the fruit of a failed embarrassing Doctrine, and the lala land it has taken you into and dropped you off

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Nothing to see here folks. Whole bunch of postribbers completely undone, and have now defaulted into just generalized weaponization of weak fluff and filler. Shooting spit balls at us little old pre-tribulation Rapture good guys sitting in front of our open Bibles.
Splat!
Splat!

Then they back slap each other and laugh in pee wee Herman voices.

I will now read all of you guys clown posts in a pee wee Herman voice.

I guess that is the fruit of a failed embarrassing Doctrine, and the lala land it has taken you into and dropped you off

Dude, wipe the dust off your feet, why do you continue debating with people who can't see what we see, it shows they are not submitting to the holy spirits guide my friend.

I know more about prophesy and what's coming than the whole lot of them put together. It is what it is, Satan will never stop deceiving, even inside the church.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Dude, wipe the dust off your feet, why do you continue debating with people who can't see what we see, it shows they are not submitting to the holy spirits guide my friend.

I know more about prophesy and what's coming than the whole lot of them put together. It is what it is, Satan will never stop deceiving, even inside the church.

So true.
I recently came across a verse in Revelation chapter 5. It is the part where no one could open the scroll or at least this break the seals on the scroll. Then Jesus appears who is Worthy. From that scene the Saints in heaven Fall Down and Worship Him and they sing a new song, saying that he is worthy and that they are redeemed from every tongue tribe and Nation from the Earth. So the Saints are in heaven even before the seals are broken by Jesus. That would be a pre- tribulation rapture

 

[marks]

I bring verses.
Postribs pretend they do not exist.
Any sane person would engage back and forth.
(Concept vs concept )
Throw that out and we have what we see here.
A troll fest.

Yeah, a troll fest, I noticed another member saying it was getting good. Personally I'd be pretty embarassed if I were to go back an read my posts, if I wrote like some of these guys do! Very unChristlike.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Default answer 3 out the 4.
Yawn

I see this one used a lot, in places where it seems to me disengenuous. I've presented arguments, and I've read other people's arguments, that seem pretty clear and simple to me. Certainly more clear than the arguments being responded to. To be met with, "that doesn't make sense." I/they explain it another way. "That still doesn't make sense, I can't understand what you are saying." That's just an easier response to post for them, I suppose!

I mean, if you don't understand what I'm saying, wouldn't a question be in order? It seems that they more want to shut down the argument.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Nothing to see here folks. Whole bunch of postribbers completely undone, and have now defaulted into just generalized weaponization of weak fluff and filler. Shooting spit balls at us little old pre-tribulation Rapture good guys sitting in front of our open Bibles.
Splat!
Splat!

Then they back slap each other and laugh in pee wee Herman voices.

I will now read all of you guys clown posts in a pee wee Herman voice.

I guess that is the fruit of a failed embarrassing Doctrine, and the lala land it has taken you into and dropped you off

Try to remember you are here to build up, and to be the conduit of Christ's love into the world around you.

Much love!

 

[WPM]

Dude, wipe the dust off your feet, why do you continue debating with people who can't see what we see, it shows they are not submitting to the holy spirits guide my friend.

I know more about prophesy and what's coming than the whole lot of them put together. It is what it is, Satan will never stop deceiving, even inside the church.

LOL. You have nothing. They have nothing. That is why so many are abandoning it. It is dead in the water - and you know it.

 

[WPM]

Nothing to see here folks. Whole bunch of postribbers completely undone, and have now defaulted into just generalized weaponization of weak fluff and filler. Shooting spit balls at us little old pre-tribulation Rapture good guys sitting in front of our open Bibles.
Splat!
Splat!

Then they back slap each other and laugh in pee wee Herman voices.

I will now read all of you guys clown posts in a pee wee Herman voice.

I guess that is the fruit of a failed embarrassing Doctrine, and the lala land it has taken you into and dropped you off

This sums up Pretrib. It is extra-biblical. You have no proof-texts. All you have is avoidance and insults. The reader can see that.

 

[MA2444]

LOL. You have nothing. They have nothing. That is why so many are abandoning it. It is dead in the water - and you know it.

You have posted absolutely everything that you have on this topic in this one short post.

And that's all you ever have. You havent ever proven anything, only in your own mind, lol.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Just keep up the fluff.
Safe meaningless filler.
No substance.

That describes all of your posts very well. You haven't once presented a coherent argument using scripture, so you have no place to talk. You have so little discernment that you think people like the foolish virgins that Jesus will tell that He doesn't know them when He returns (Matt 25:10-12), will be allowed to continue living their lives while getting another chance at salvation. That is a doctrine of demons. Instead, scripture says that those, like the foolish virgins, who say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes that He will tell that He doesn't know them will be cast into the fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth (Luke 13:25-28, Matt 13:40-43).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You have posted absolutely everything that you have on this topic in this one short post.

And that's all you ever have. You havent ever proven anything, only in your own mind, lol.

You obviously didn't read the first 3 posts of this thread where he exegeted more scripture than you have in your entire life. You're truly all talk and nothing more.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nothing to see here folks. Whole bunch of postribbers completely undone, and have now defaulted into just generalized weaponization of weak fluff and filler. Shooting spit balls at us little old pre-tribulation Rapture good guys sitting in front of our open Bibles.
Splat!
Splat!

Then they back slap each other and laugh in pee wee Herman voices.

I will now read all of you guys clown posts in a pee wee Herman voice.

I guess that is the fruit of a failed embarrassing Doctrine, and the lala land it has taken you into and dropped you off

Do you actually think anyone takes you seriously with this kind of ludicrous, childish nonsense that you constantly post? Let us know if you ever grow up and want to have an adult discussion about scripture. In the meantime, don't forget your naps and don't forget to drink the juice in your sippy cup.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL. You have nothing. They have nothing. That is why so many are abandoning it. It is dead in the water - and you know it.

They don't even attempt to present any coherent arguments using scripture such as what you did in the beginning of this thread. That does not go unnoticed. Everyone knows they have no scriptural support and that is why they have nothing to offer besides childish insults and complete nonsense that no one can take seriously.