Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?

[tailgator]

Where's that in the Bible?

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

John 20:22
And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So was Jesus physically resurrected, or spiritually resurrected. And is Paul talking about a physical bodily resurrection for those who sleep in Christ, or a spiritual resurrection as Amils propose? You decide. Peace

To me all the parables, types …and also even the bible itself …is flesh first, then Spirit. Even “the Word” was manifest in the flesh and suffered the contradictions of sinners. First there is the Old Testament which is flesh, then the New Testament which is Spirit. Do we see a pattern of what is first, and what comes after? Even the way we read the word. First it (the Bible) presents to us as flesh(confusing)…then when the Spirit comes we hear something other than flesh, hearing His Voice and not man’s(untangling the confusion). Still, that which is first is first…and then that which is after. Even the beginning of Genesis where God said “Let there be Light” the Old Testament is the creation of the light of the stars and the moon and the sun…New Testament Christ is the Light where God says “Let there be Light” “Christ” then we have the god of this world blinds them…to prevent …hinder…the Glorious Light of Christ from shining unto them that they might be saved.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Even when Jesus said He only does what He sees His Father doing, He only says what His Father says. It first is manifest in the physical where Jesus Christ opened (literally)the eyes of the blind, He let the captives go free(although he sent word to John the Baptist to let John know the captives go free), He healed the sick, gave hearing to the deaf, and yes He raised the dead. (We ignore mourn you sinners, be heavy and humble yourselves and Christ will lift you up.) we ignore “will lift you up” which imo is NOT I’ll lift you up out of a casket but I will lift you up in newness of Life and set you in heavenly places (again not literal) all the inheritance better than lifted up out of casket. If there is not Christ lifting you up in newness of Life …until the casket? Then did we miss the Helper?

But all of these was what He (Jesus Christ manifested in the flesh) saw the Father doing and saying, His Father Spirit. All of the miracles Jesus Christ did foretelling of what God will do (promises) in and by His Spirit. Like the time Jesus cast out the torment where the man was tossed back and forth between “water” and “fire”, the man stick in never-ending Torment going back and forth, day and night, between water and fire. Isn’t this a double minded man who is unstable in all his ways? Tossed about? Torment=going back and forth between “water” and “fire” even roses back and forth between death and life? but first Jesus manifest the man being delivered out from his torment of drowning and burning …yet God who is Spirit is delivering the double minded man so that man be no longer tossed between two minds.which Jesus is manifesting to teach what God who is Spirit is doing and saying.

Which was first? Jesus Christ showed the literal of what the Spirit of God is doing and saying. Jesus Christ teaching…revealing His Father, revealing what God does and says. Paul did the same when a beast leapt out from the fire and latched hold of his arm…they thought Paul was a god. But who kept Paul from harm from “the deadly” so that Paul himself said “He delivered me out from every evil”? And “I trust no harm will come to what I’ve been entrusted with” …Timothy guard well what has been delivered unto you.

It pretty clear to me that flesh is first
That He appears a second time unto Salvation. Even Jesus Christ hung literal on the cross where they boasted “Let His God save Him!” It was the Spirit of God that raised Him up and set Him on High. Having “Lifted” Him up again.
Where His Spirit is…there is Life.

To say He still has to come in the flesh is to say he hasn’t come in the flesh. There are pages after pages allotted to all the things Jesus Christ did while manifested in the flesh during the end times…and so much more He did that if all of it were written down, all the books in the world could not contain all He did. Either way …there is a verse that says we should know God is expected in the end. God is Spirit. Even if it’s Christ, who is expected. Depending on a person perspective…Still Christ is Spirit…where we know Him no more after the flesh. We want it to be literal…as if if He indeed appears a second time in the Spirit of God and not in the weak flesh of men …do we think it will disappoint us, if He comes in Spirit —in Power and Glory—-the second time?

It’s been hard the past couple of days. Mom fell and broke her hip. She is in a nursing home and has twenty days of rehab. She fights with me to get up out of the bed which isn’t allowed for she may fall. She growls at me repeatedly “I do not have a broken hip! I did not break my hip!” She truly believes a hundred percent that her hip is not broken. But no matter how much she asserts this is true. It doesn’t make it the truth. I have to constantly remind her not to get up. Pertaining to God and the second coming. That is only my opinion of how He will appear the second time. But what is true is true. Same with others who say He appears a second time in the flesh unto salvation. No matter how much we want what we say to be true. It doesn’t change whatever is true. No matter how much we assert our opinions which makes me think of mom asserting to me over and over “My hip is not broken.” But it is broken.

Reading the above I see now …are you saying he was resurrected Spirit the first time? The second appearing resurrected flesh? I’ve read people debating over what our flesh bodies will be like because He ate after the resurrection. they say it’s proof in Spirit we will still eat…do we in Spirit eat now? What is our food?

 

[rwb]

Jesus was the first of many who will partake of the first resurrection at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Oh!!! I could be wrong, but I do believe Scripture tells us that Jesus Christ was the FIRST to be resurrected from the dead when He resurrected physically from the dead!

You don't believe Jesus arose from the dead already?

 

[rwb]

What’s the purpose of having a physical body right now? Clearly the body has a purpose.

The physical body was created for life on this planet! You have people being resurrected to life again before the physical body is resurrected and changed from mortal body to immortal body. That means at the end of your ONE-thousand-year millennium they shall die again! Your understanding of eternal/everlasting does not compute with Scripture!

 

[rwb]

Who said they die again. The new glorified resurrected body is immortal.

They MUST die again unless they are bodily resurrected IMMORTAL! And NONE shall be bodily resurrected in immortal, incorruptible body from the dead until the last trump sounds.

 

[rwb]

He had to use the body otherwise you can’t see ghosts.

Are you saying the martyred saints died in faith, were physically resurrected to life again so man could see them? Has it ever occurred to any Premillennialist that our flesh and blood is NOT that which HAS everlasting life? Why do Premillennialist refuse to believe UNLESS they can see with physical sight?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Reading the above I see now …are you saying he was resurrected Spirit the first time? The second appearing resurrected flesh?

No, the resurrection of Jesus was of his dead physical body, he is the firstborn from the dead. Jesus was never dead spiritually.

The first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:4-6 is about the dead in Christ being raised up first. Those who are in Christ are not spiritually dead, their physical bodies died, that is what is to be resurrected at the last day.

Here is the order of the first resurrection …

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

At that time we shall be given new gloried immortal bodies, but we do not know what those new spiritual bodies will look like.


1 John 3

King James Version

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3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

And NONE shall be bodily resurrected in immortal, incorruptible body from the dead until the last trump sounds.

I didn’t say otherwise.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Oh!!! I could be wrong, but I do believe Scripture tells us that Jesus Christ was the FIRST to be resurrected from the dead when He resurrected physically from the dead!

You don't believe Jesus arose from the dead already?

You must have a reading comprehension problem, or you are deliberately trying to prop up strawman arguments.

 

[rwb]

I didn’t say otherwise.

Then why do you Premillennialists keep saying these martyred souls shall be resurrected physically for ONE thousand years when Christ comes again? They cannot have immortal & incorruptible resurrected body until the last trumpet sounds! Why not simply accept that Premillennialism is NOT biblical? And that a/the thousand years does NOT equate to ONE thousand literal years of more time, but rather that it equates (symbolically) to TIME that is from the first advent of Christ and will end when the last trumpet sounds?

 

[rwb]

You must have a reading comprehension problem, or you are deliberately trying to prop up strawman arguments.

It's not a strawman when arguing against one who says Christ shall be physically resurrected FIRST because you want to force fit your unbiblical doctrine for Premillennialism into the text! I feel your comprehension problems don't stem from being unable to READ, but rather being able to SEE that which cannot be seen with physical sight!

 

[MatthewG]

Are you saying the martyred saints died in faith, were physically resurrected to life again so man could see them? Has it ever occurred to any Premillennialist that our flesh and blood is NOT that which HAS everlasting life? Why do Premillennialist refuse to believe UNLESS they can see with physical sight?

Never mentioned them. Was specifically talking about Jesus.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

No, the resurrection of Jesus was of his dead physical body, he is the firstborn from the dead. Jesus was never dead spiritually.

The first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:4-6 is about the dead in Christ being raised up first. Those who are in Christ are not spiritually dead, their physical bodies died, that is what is to be resurrected at the last day.

Here is the order of the first resurrection …

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

At that time we shall be given new gloried immortal bodies, but we do not know what those new spiritual bodies will look like.


1 John 3

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King James Version​

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3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

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To understand you more clearly.​

What do you say
Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?
Then is the second resurrection physical or spiritual?

Please don’t get give verses that really don’t tell me what you think. Because people interpret the verses differently so it doesn’t tell me anything about what you are saying. Surely you have a formed perspective from the overall word of what you think it’s says? Otherwise you wouldn’t have started this thread as if something bugs you about what others believe or say concerning the first resurrection..whether it is physical or spiritual?

I’ll answer. I think the first resurrection was physical. A type, a foreshadowing of The second resurrection which is Spiritual. Same as the stone rolled away, removed from covering the tomb. First physical. The second His removing(destroying) the covering of the heart, in removing (destroying)the vail cast over the people.

What do you think?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Then why do you Premillennialists keep saying these martyred souls shall be resurrected physically for ONE thousand years when Christ comes again?

I don’t follow the doctrines of men. But the dead in Christ rise first before the thousand years begins and reign not only for a thousand years on earth, but forever with Christ.

It seems you are implying that they only live physically for a thousand years, which is not the case and it sounds like another strawman prop attempt.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It's not a strawman when arguing against one who says Christ shall be physically resurrected FIRST

I said “Jesus was the first” Pay attention.

 

[Biblepaige]

John 20:22
And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Exactly.

 

[rwb]

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To understand you more clearly.​

What do you say
Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?
Then is the second resurrection physical or spiritual?

Please don’t get give verses that really don’t tell me what you think. Because people interpret the verses differently so it doesn’t tell me anything about what you are saying. Surely you have a formed perspective from the overall word of what you think it’s says? Otherwise you wouldn’t have started this thread as if something bugs you about what others believe or say concerning the first resurrection..whether it is physical or spiritual?

I’ll answer. I think the first resurrection was physical. A type, a foreshadowing of The second resurrection which is Spiritual. Same as the stone rolled away, removed from covering the tomb. First physical. The second His removing(destroying) the covering of the heart, in removing (destroying)the vail cast over the people.

What do you think?

Exactly! And it is through the physical resurrection life of Christ that mankind MUST have part in to overcome the second death. This is achieved when man is born again from above, not of this world, but spiritually goes from being dead in trespasses and sins to being alive in Christ. From that moment the man who has been spiritually born again of God not only has a physical body until they die, but they also have eternal spiritual life through the Holy Spirit of Christ in them. This is why Christ tells us "Ye must be born again"!

 

[rwb]

I don’t follow the doctrines of men. But the dead in Christ rise first before the thousand years begins and reign not only for a thousand years on earth, but forever with Christ.

It seems you are implying that they only live physically for a thousand years, which is not the case and it sounds like another strawman prop attempt.

You're espousing the doctrines of man every time you argue for Premillennialism! Because it is NOT taken FROM the Scriptures but is read INTO the Scriptures! NONE shall be bodily resurrected to life FOREVER before the seventh trump sounds! Again, your doctrine has these martyred souls bodily resurrected forever BEFORE being changed from mortal to immortal!

 

[rwb]

I said “Jesus was the first” Pay attention.

Yes, as if He was not already resurrected physically from the dead!!

 

[rwb]

I said “Jesus was the first” Pay attention.

You just refuse to accept what is written! It's because Jesus is the "first resurrection" that all who partake of Him before we die HAVE overcome the second death. The only way to have part in the resurrection life of Christ, the "first resurrection"...."YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!"