Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

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When we first got together, I told my wife many times that I want her to do the easier tasks. Some hear an insult into ‘woman’s work’ but that’s what it means; the easier tasks. It does not mean the less important tasks.
I love this.

Keeping our daughter taken care of, cleaning, and fixing meals is easier and safer than working a 12-14 hour shift in an 18 wheeler. But it's not less important.

It would be so pointless for me to compete with the testosterone fueled superior physical strength and stress resilience of my husband. I'm here to do what he can't.

He is putting his life force into providing. Not just providing, but moving us in a direction that God calls for. Helping him is a career I am proud of. God set ot up from Genesis. The man must work but he needs help. My man was not this mature high value man of God when we met. He needed help. This is where I make or break him as his wife. A crown or a cancer.

Being helpmates gives us dignity and value beyond sex objects, ironically. There are some things men simply can't do alone.
 
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My man was not this mature high value man of God when we met.
Modern dating strategies are based off being super critical. This is good for weeding out bad options but that leaves the question of how to spot a good option.

An imperfect flawed man who loves God is the way to go. Don't look at his physique, car, income, or even confidence level. These all can improve dramatically within a good marriage. He has to fear God. Everything else can improve when you commit, respect, and invest.
 

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Modern dating strategies are based off being super critical. This is good for weeding out bad options but that leaves the question of how to spot a good option.
I believe I asked this question before of either Wrangler or MA2444. What's interesting is the way you worded what's bolded. You pluralized 'bad options' as in more than one. One of the major complaints that women have regarding online dating (for example) is that there are a LOT of 'bad options' out there. And a woman isn't always going to know if a man is a good or bad option until she gets to know him a bit better.

Also, just because a man may be a 'good' option doesn't automatically mean he's the right option...for her. And it's not always about not getting the "feels" for him. Lifestyle, beliefs, geographic preferences, religious affiliations, the desire for children, etc. all play a part in making a decision. Maybe he wants to live on a ranch in Montana, while she wants a life in the Big City. Or maybe she's Christian, but he's an atheist. And her vision is to be able to attend church with her spouse.
An imperfect flawed man who loves God is the way to go.
Imperfect people who love God don't always love God in EVERY way.
Don't look at his physique, car, income, or even confidence level. These all can improve dramatically within a good marriage.
OR, they may NOT improve...no matter how GOOD the marriage is.
He has to fear God. Everything else can improve when you commit, respect, and invest.
To date, I have not known a whole bunch of men who fear God. In fact, I've met the men who believe that God should fear HIM.
 

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Keeping our daughter taken care of, cleaning, and fixing meals is easier and safer than working a 12-14 hour shift in an 18 wheeler. But it's not less important.
I wonder what @Mink57 thinks of your post.

The evil is feminism demeaning the traditional role of woman being a homemaker as unimportant. It's insanity to me. The Bible uses the term "house" to sometimes mean ones family. Proverbs, 'A foolish woman tears down her own house,' is not referring to a building.

A man makes the house, literally and figuratively; he creates the family, gives life. It is the woman who turns this house into a home. It is a beautiful, loving and divine thing.

The responsibility of being a homemaker cannot be understated. Throughout history, a family's biggest asset is the house and her job has been to keep it up. It's not unimportant. It is more important than anything financially and emotionally (other than the life and safety of the family members, themselves). I suppose the ingratitude of feminism is to take all this for granted in pursuing "you can have it all" she ends up with nothing. Nothing but bitterness.

(Can't you just hear @Mink57 petulantly retort with the 'ol ALL v SOME routine? LOL)
 

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I don't think so Mink. You come across angry about your past in many posts, meaning these experiences are still affecting you in a negative way. That's concerns me as your Christian brother, putting aside us being on opposite sides of the evil ideology of feminism. You don't seem to forgive or forget.
These experiences still affect me because they haven't stopped. Even at my age (66) I still get hit on...and not in a very nice way. And I'm just walking down the street! I think I already mentioned the story about a man in a wheelchair asking for my help. He said he dropped his cell phone on his lap, and he thinks he may be sitting on it. He wanted me to reach between his bare short-wearing legs...

Uhhhh, no. Just no. The guy was grinning ear-to-ear before I walked away.

Or how about the guy who ran across the street and followed me to a 7-11 waiting outside for me to leave? Luckily, there was a burly man who worked there and saw that I was shaken up. He confronted the guy and chased him off the property.

Or the guy who approached me while I was waiting for a bus. Who tried to strike up a conversation that I was not interested in having. I asked him to please leave me alone. He started whining about how I was being "so MEAN" to him. I boarded the bus and at the last minute when the driver was closing the doors, the man jumped on the bus. He sat a few seats away from me, and out of the corner of my eye, I could see him staring at me. I pushed the button to signal the driver to stop. The man got off ahead of me. He kept looking back to see if I was still walking in the same direction. He ducked behind a podium. I crossed the street and walked quickly to a corner. HE saw that I crossed the street and hurried across the street as well. I jogged two blocks to a casino where I knew some employees. Ducked in one entrance and out the other. Grabbed a cab and went home.

And you wonder WHY I'm put off!
One point vids in the manosphere make time and time again is how so many female, self-proclaimed dating experts give horrible advice and remain single into their 30's. A wise woman would seek advice from a women in LTR's. Yesterday, there was a couple on the radio who were celebrating their 52 anniversary. When asked what advice they'd give, they basically said be humble, admit when you are wrong, forgive and be agreeable when you can.
While I have no problem doing that, I found that it was most often the MEN who have problems doing that. A man admits he's wrong? OMG! His EGO is at stake!

Another story? I had a boyfriend for a few years. One day, I was outside trying to change out the headlamp in HIS car while he was inside. I wrestled with the thing for about 30 minutes. Admitted defeat and asked him for help. He smirked, like "HA! You can't even twist off a lighbulb yourself! You need ME for help!" So, he went outside and tried to twist the thing off himself.

He couldn't do it. Spent about 10 minutes trying six ways to Sunday. He went back inside. Defeated. Ego shattered. In front of a WOMAN! A stupid, silly woman. I brought the car to our mechanic...who told me that "God HIMSELF couldn't have gotten this thing off!" Turned out that the bulb had MELTED into the connector and was FUSED. Car fixed. Went home and told boyfriend what happened. ACCUSED of making him "feel bad" about himself.....

Uhhhhhh......
Many vids show feminists are so brainwashed, they think men find attractive her being an argumentative, b*tch all the time; they've been convinced that being agreeable makes the woman a sucker. No! It makes them successful in relationships.
No, in a lot of cases it makes her a sucker. EASILY taken advantage of.
Compare this to me. I prolly shared too much about my marriage in this thread but doubt you can recall too many posts about me lamenting any relationship with women I ever had. Before I continue, I'll let you respond.
O.k. I responded. Have at it.
 

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To date, I have not known a whole bunch of men who fear God. In fact, I've met the men who believe that God should fear HIM
I think this is a big problem in general bht definitely in dating. Relationships suffer without the fear of God. Men and must bow the knee and submit their way of thinking to God's ways.
 

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I wonder what @Mink57 thinks of your post.

The evil is feminism demeaning the traditional role of woman being a homemaker as unimportant. It's insanity to me. The Bible uses the term "house" to sometimes mean ones family. Proverbs, 'A foolish woman tears down her own house,' is not referring to a building.
I have mentioned before that I WAS a SAHM. My late ex-husband didn't appreciate what I did in the home. My "job" wasn't as important as HIS 'job'. He'd work for 8 hours, come home, crack open a beer...the first of MANY to follow...expect a tasty meal, for me to keep the kids AWAY from him, so he could 'relax'...

Is THAT the ''traditional" role of a wife?
A man makes the house, literally and figuratively; he creates the family, gives life. It is the woman who turns this house into a home. It is a beautiful, loving and divine thing.
Sorry, but the man isn't the ONLY one who 'creates' a family. And even though MANY women can turn a house into a home, it often goes unnoticed and unappreciated.
The responsibility of being a homemaker cannot be understated. Throughout history, a family's biggest asset is the house and her job has been to keep it up. It's not unimportant. It is more important than anything financially and emotionally (other than the life and safety of the family members, themselves). I suppose the ingratitude of feminism is to take all this for granted in pursuing "you can have it all" she ends up with nothing. Nothing but bitterness.
Feminism protested against the NUMEROUS men who DON'T HAVE YOUR ATTITUDE!!
(Can't you just hear @Mink57 petulantly retort with the 'ol ALL v SOME routine? LOL)
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I think this is a big problem in general bht definitely in dating. Relationships suffer without the fear of God. Men and must bow the knee and submit their way of thinking to God's ways.
Agreed.

Not sure if you're familiar with a book called The Woman's Bible, written by the one of the first Suffragettes in the 1800's, Elizabeth Cady Stanton. She commented on the Bible verses that said that (I'm paraphrasing) a wife should submit to her husband. She said that THAT would be all fine and dandy, IF the HUSBAND submitted to CHRIST. Unfortunately, many men -- even supposed CHRISTIAN men -- DON'T.

So many men take the whole idea of a woman 'submitting in ALL things' to mean that she's supposed to do whatever HE wants. Putting so much weight on THAT passage, while ignoring other passages, sets women up to be exploited.

Could you imagine, one day, that your husband comes up to you, and tells you that he wants to share you sexually with another man because it would turn him on...and DEMANDING that you do this because you're supposed to 'submit' to him in ALL things?
 

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And you wonder WHY I'm put off!

No. I’m worried WHAT, that you are put off. Imagine how put off a guy would be that women keep hitting on him all the time? Big difference between the sexes, right there! LOL

A man admits he's wrong? OMG! His EGO is at stake!

You mean a woman’s ego is not at stake to admit in front of a man that she is wrong? Just more misandry coming from you. (And I almost didn’t notice you flipped the script again)

"HA! You can't even twist off a lighbulb yourself! You need ME for help!
The question is; why do you keep picking bad men?
No, in a lot of cases it makes her a sucker. EASILY taken advantage of.
You’ve learned NOTHING from Jesus!
 

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Putting so much weight on THAT passage, while ignoring other passages, sets women up to be exploited.
I want all the passages. I can't in good conscience submit to a request that I do something that is clearly evil. God comes even before our husbands. The passage against adultery in your example cancels out the passage to submit to the husband because Christ is still the head and adultery is not of Christ.

There are times when a wife should respectfully refuse a request. If a husband is not in his right mind or wanting her to do tax fraud, the answer should be no.

However, Christians are actually called to, in most cases, submit to every rightful authority from Kings to local police. The possibility of being asked to do something sinful does not cancel out the ordained authority given to husbands. They will be held accountable and so will we.

We have to be able to discern good from evil. If the government asks me to convert to atheism, I must refuse. If they ask me to pay a traffic ticket, I submit.

The heart posture of the Christian woman is a gentle quiet spirit. One that trusts God is in control to the point that she does not need to have her own way. Unfair situations in marriage are very real but she entrusts each situation to God, the judge who judges justly and leaves room for God to take vengeance.

In the long run, there are not many matters in my life more important than having unity in my marriage. Even where we live or who does what around the house or how the kids are educated. It can be my way but it's not a necessity. Peace and unity in our marriage is what will carry us through. My attitude, when yielded to Christ's example, can have a transformative effect.
 

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No. I’m worried WHAT, that you are put off. Imagine how put off a guy would be that women keep hitting on him all the time? Big difference between the sexes, right there! LOL
Ha! Put off? You think a man would be "put off" by a woman grabbing HIS butt?

You're right. BIG difference between the sexes. Maybe men in general should stop treating women like THEY (the men) would want to be treated, and START treating women like SHE would want to be treated!
You mean a woman’s ego is not at stake to admit in front of a man that she is wrong? Just more misandry coming from you. (And I almost didn’t notice you flipped the script again)
Yo! I got not problem admitting I'm wrong. What I DO have a problem with is that once I admit I'm wrong, I'm condescended to.
No misandry but misogyny.
The question is; why do you keep picking bad men?

You’ve learned NOTHING from Jesus!
No, the question is WHY ARE THERE SO MANY BAD MEN?

And what I learned from JESUS is that there ARE a bunch of bad men out there!

What YOU may consider to be good criteria for a 'good man' may not be mine. My standards are HIGHER than that. Hence, why I dropped out of dating in the first place.
 

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You know what my favorite Disney song is?

Ironically it's Ill Make a Man Out of You from Mulan.

Here's a metal cover I had my husband send to me this morning.


The closest I get to agreeing with feminism is that women could benefit from adopting some traditionally masculine traits. I want the sense of duty and no-excuse drive that men have---toward my role in the home.

I would play the above song to motivate myself during cleaning---the skill I used to be the worst at. Mulan impersonated a man to save her father from getting drafted in the Chinese military. In the movie, I find how badly she does at the start of her training really relateable. How often do I start skmewhere and I just am sorry at that thing?

Her determination is what helps her overcome. I don't often like projecting this because often, women especially assume I am judging them just by me stating my own personal goals. I am indifferent. I just want to compete with myself continuously to become a woman of excellence.

I want it all in the sense of a healthy body, clean home, Godly children, and bangin marriage. I am willing to work hard to achieve this. No excuses.

I like feminine roles but I want to be a velvet brick. I just believe that the primary way we take on beneficial masculine traits as women is through Christ and the study of God's Word, not fighting for the "right" to be as sleazy, obnoxious, and overbearing as the toxic ones are.
 

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I want all the passages. I can't in good conscience submit to a request that I do something that is clearly evil. God comes even before our husbands.
But too many husbands don't think that way. They're stuck on the whole 'submit' thing, believing that the wife is supposed to subit to HIM, without HIM submitting to GOD>
The passage against adultery in your example cancels out the passage to submit to the husband because Christ is still the head and adultery is not of Christ.
I get that.
There are times when a wife should respectfully refuse a request. If a husband is not in his right mind or wanting her to do tax fraud, the answer should be no.
Exactly. Yet, the MAN just may use the 'submit' verse against her. Seen that in MY life, and other women's lives.
However, Christians are actually called to, in most cases, submit to every rightful authority from Kings to local police. The possibility of being asked to do something sinful does not cancel out the ordained authority given to husbands. They will be held accountable and so will we.
Not held accountable soon enough in some cases...
We have to be able to discern good from evil. If the government asks me to convert to atheism, I must refuse. If they ask me to pay a traffic ticket, I submit.
Of course!
The heart posture of the Christian woman is a gentle quiet spirit. One that trusts God is in control to the point that she does not need to have her own way. Unfair situations in marriage are very real but she entrusts each situation to God, the judge who judges justly and leaves room for God to take vengeance.
Oh pleeze! If your husband wanted to RAPE you--violently--are you REALLY going to believe it's "from God"? Just because God allows bad things to happen doesn't mean it's His will!.
In the long run, there are not many matters in my life more important than having unity in my marriage. Even where we live or who does what around the house or how the kids are educated. It can be my way but it's not a necessity. Peace and unity in our marriage is what will carry us through. My attitude, when yielded to Christ's example, can have a transformative effect.
Would have LOVED to have peace in my marriages...as long as the husband followed Christ.

Which, they didn't.
 

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You know what my favorite Disney song is?

Ironically it's Ill Make a Man Out of You from Mulan.

Here's a metal cover I had my husband send to me this morning.


The closest I get to agreeing with feminism is that women could benefit from adopting some traditionally masculine traits. I want the sense of duty and no-excuse drive that men have---toward my role in the home.
You don't think they already DO that? Of COURSE they do! That's WHY so many men are so up in arms!
I would play the above song to motivate myself during cleaning---the skill I used to be the worst at. Mulan impersonated a man to save her father from getting drafted in the Chinese military. In the movie, I find how badly she does at the start of her training really relateable. How often do I start skmewhere and I just am sorry at that thing?
No idea.
Her determination is what helps her overcome. I don't often like projecting this because often, women especially assume I am judging them just by me stating my own personal goals. I am indifferent. I just want to compete with myself continuously to become a woman of excellence.
I was the same way. And yet, the men I was with didn't appreciate me being that way.
I want it all in the sense of a healthy body, clean home, Godly children, and bangin marriage. I am willing to work hard to achieve this. No excuses.
Tried the same thing. Again, not appreciated.
I like feminine roles but I want to be a velvet brick. I just believe that the primary way we take on beneficial masculine traits as women is through Christ and the study of God's Word, not fighting for the "right" to be as sleazy, obnoxious, and overbearing as the toxic ones are.
Uh huh...
 

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Oh pleeze! If your husband wanted to RAPE you--violently--are you REALLY going to believe it's "from God"? Just because God allows bad things to happen doesn't mean it's His will!.
I never said unfair situations are God's direct will. There are some situations we should try to avoid or seek justice for. There are some situations that require a lot of trust in God, like forgiving those who really hurt you. In order to do that, it's good to know that God can deal out justice a lot better than we can. Our role is to forgive.


Would have LOVED to have peace in my marriages...as long as the husband followed Christ.

Which, they didn't.
Seek peace as far as it "depends on you" I think the verse state. There are some situations where peace is impossible. You can't control the actions of other people and God doesn't expect us to be the Holy Spirit in our husband's lives.
 
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