KJV Only?

[Johann]

TEMPT is one of those weird words…
A tempter tempts another.
The other is called tempted, (wether of not the other ACTS on the temptation!)
Another who IS TEMPTED by a TEMPTER…
Can fall FOR the temptation,
Or
REJECT the temptation…
(Still the other has been TEMPTED)….

WHICH for a great deal of people….they automatically Presume…a person who IS TEMPTED….actually means, they pause and “CONSIDER” what the tempter is suggesting…(which is false)…

Jesus was TEMPTED…by the Tempter Satan.
Jesus neither paused, thought about it, considered Satan’s suggestive temptation…
But rather immediately REJECTED Satan’s temptations.

In most cases, a person who says they were “TEMPTED” to do this or that….literally CONSIDERED doing this or that…”THEN” chose not to.

weird connotation of some words…

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Maybe you are aware of these two Greek words re tempting/testing.

GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

I was confused by the relationship between Matt. 6:13 and James 1:13. They seem to contradict each other. The answer came in the connotation of two Greek terms.

There are two Greek terms in all their forms that have the connotation of testing, trying, or tempting someone for a purpose.

Dokimazō, Dokimion, Dokimasia
 This term is a metalurgist term for testing the genuineness of something (i.e., metaphorically someone) by fire (see SPECIAL TOPIC: FIRE). The fire reveals the true metal and burns off (i.e., impurities) the dross. This physical process became a powerful idiom for God and/or Satan and/or humans testing others. This term is only used in a positive sense of testing with a view towards acceptance (see SPECIAL TOPIC: GOD TESTS HIS PEOPLE [OT]).
 It is used in the NT of testing
oxen ‒ Luke 14:19
one's life ‒ 1 Cor. 3:13
ourselves ‒ 1 Cor. 11:28
believers approved by God ‒ 2 Cor. 10:18; 1 Thess. 2:4
even God ‒ Heb. 3:9; 1 Pet. 1:7
our faith ‒ James. 1:3
spiritual messengers or prophets ‒ 1 John 4:1
 The outcomes of these tests were assumed to be positive (cf. Rom. 2:18; 16:10; 2 Cor. 10:18; 13:3,7), therefore, the term conveys the idea of someone examined and approved
to be worthwhile
to be good
to be genuine
to be valuable
to be honored

Peirazō, Ekpeirizō, Peirasmos, Peirasmo
This term often has the connotation of examination for the purpose of fault finding or rejection. It is used in connection to Satan's tempting Jesus in the wilderness (cf. Matthew 4; Luke 4).
It conveys the attempt to trap Jesus (cf. Matt. 4:1; 16:1; 19:3; 22:18, 35; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2; Heb. 2:18).
This term (peirazōn) is used as a title for Satan in Matt. 4:3; 1 Thess. 3:5 (i.e., "the tempter"; see SPECIAL TOPIC: SATAN).
Usage
It was used by Jesus warning humans not to test God (cf. Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12, [or Christ cf. 1 Cor 10:9]).
It also denotes the attempt to do something that has failed (cf. Heb.11:29).
It is used in connection with the temptation and trials of believers (cf. 1 Cor. 7:5; 10:9, 13; Gal. 6:1; 1 Thess. 3:5; Heb. 2:18; James. 1:2, 13, 14; 1 Pet. 4:12; 2 Pet 2:9).

In Hebrews 3:9 they are both used in their distinctive senses. Words have meaning only in contexts!
SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

J.

 

[Taken]

@Johann


Hey brother…thank you…very useful lesson…

God bless you,

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Johann]

@Johann


Hey brother…thank you…very useful lesson…

God bless you,

Glory to God,
Taken

Only a pleasure @Taken and thank you for your kindness, a rare quality.

Shalom.
Johann.

 

[Bob Estey]

My 2 cents.

Rather than saying the language is outdated, I would say the language usage and meaning is not taught.

Today people use words in conversation with complete strangers that completely Opposite meanings and completely Different meaning…lending to a confounded conversation.

Common use language….for something someone really likes…examples..
Radical, rad, cool, hot, sweet, sick…

How about…Jesus is holy…or “ya man Jesus is sick”….

I know that is extreme, but all things begin and increase little by little….

Just saying….

Didn’t think a few decades ago, public schools would be teaching boys can be girls and girls can be boys and governments passing laws to allow school administrators to secretly (hide from parents) such teaching and even removing children from their parents to perform gender changing procedures… Ghastly.


God bless you

Glory to God,
Taken

The English language has evolved.

 

[One 2 question]

Maybe you are aware of these two Greek words re tempting/testing.

GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

I was confused by the relationship between Matt. 6:13 and James 1:13. They seem to contradict each other. The answer came in the connotation of two Greek terms.

There are two Greek terms in all their forms that have the connotation of testing, trying, or tempting someone for a purpose.

Dokimazō, Dokimion, Dokimasia
 This term is a metalurgist term for testing the genuineness of something (i.e., metaphorically someone) by fire (see SPECIAL TOPIC: FIRE). The fire reveals the true metal and burns off (i.e., impurities) the dross. This physical process became a powerful idiom for God and/or Satan and/or humans testing others. This term is only used in a positive sense of testing with a view towards acceptance (see SPECIAL TOPIC: GOD TESTS HIS PEOPLE [OT]).
 It is used in the NT of testing
oxen ‒ Luke 14:19
one's life ‒ 1 Cor. 3:13
ourselves ‒ 1 Cor. 11:28
believers approved by God ‒ 2 Cor. 10:18; 1 Thess. 2:4
even God ‒ Heb. 3:9; 1 Pet. 1:7
our faith ‒ James. 1:3
spiritual messengers or prophets ‒ 1 John 4:1
 The outcomes of these tests were assumed to be positive (cf. Rom. 2:18; 16:10; 2 Cor. 10:18; 13:3,7), therefore, the term conveys the idea of someone examined and approved
to be worthwhile
to be good
to be genuine
to be valuable
to be honored

Peirazō, Ekpeirizō, Peirasmos, Peirasmo
This term often has the connotation of examination for the purpose of fault finding or rejection. It is used in connection to Satan's tempting Jesus in the wilderness (cf. Matthew 4; Luke 4).
It conveys the attempt to trap Jesus (cf. Matt. 4:1; 16:1; 19:3; 22:18, 35; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2; Heb. 2:18).
This term (peirazōn) is used as a title for Satan in Matt. 4:3; 1 Thess. 3:5 (i.e., "the tempter"; see SPECIAL TOPIC: SATAN).
Usage
It was used by Jesus warning humans not to test God (cf. Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12, [or Christ cf. 1 Cor 10:9]).
It also denotes the attempt to do something that has failed (cf. Heb.11:29).
It is used in connection with the temptation and trials of believers (cf. 1 Cor. 7:5; 10:9, 13; Gal. 6:1; 1 Thess. 3:5; Heb. 2:18; James. 1:2, 13, 14; 1 Pet. 4:12; 2 Pet 2:9).

In Hebrews 3:9 they are both used in their distinctive senses. Words have meaning only in contexts!
SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

J.

Jesus knew what it was like to experience temptation when the Spirit of His Father led Him into the wilderness to be tempted by the evil one, the devil.

Having experienced this leading of His Father (into temptation) Jesus told His disciple to ask His Father not to lead them into temptation. Rather, that Father deliver them from the evil of the evil one.

 

[One 2 question]

The English language has evolved.

But isn't it great that the Spirit will by whatever means, communicate whatever He is sent to each individual to convey. As He did on the day of penticost. The individual will hear it in a language they will understand.

Jesus came to heal the sick. Isn't that sick!