Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

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The Atonement was for all of Adam's offspring, not just Jacob.

Daniel 9:24 was directed at Israel. They would facilitate in the process, as Jesus was Jacob's offspring.

Daniel 9:27 was not directed at Israel, but all of Adam's offspring. Neither Israel nor the church will be on the earth, when Daniel 9:27 is fulfilled.
I think the verses in Jeremiah are quite clear.
 

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Do you mean the New Covenant He confirmed mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was for His people? Then I certainly agree, however, God knew they would reject His Messiah and this offer of salvation would be extended to the Gentiles.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 is only for God's People = Jew & Gentile who, TOGETHER, are under the Brit Chadasha
 

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All who have been made alive since the Cross. The Cross was a physical death and resurrection, not an exercise in spiritual thinking.
Don't understand this... What do you meant a "spiritual thinking?" The cross was certainly not only physical but more than symbolic. It demonstrates the forgiveness of our sins should we place our faith in the Messiah. The Messiah took on the sin of the world and paid the price of death. But He would be resurrected in 3 days and God's Holy Spirit would be placed back into Him.

We are given the same offer... if we accept the Messiah and the cross, we will also physically die. Our body will go into the dust where it was taken from. At the time of the resurrection, Jesus will restore His Holy Spirit back into us and we can be in His presence for enternity. In Genesis, God breathed His (not Adam;s) Holy Spirti into Adam. He was able to be in His presence in the Garden. But when Adam sinned, God's Holy Spirit (not THE HOLY SPIRIT, but God's righteousness, His holiness, His spirit which is ONLY found in Him) had to return back to God. God and sin cannot be in the same place. Thus, Adam was no longer a "living soul" but a "living being."


Immediately, God would design a plan of restoration / salvation to restore that same holiness / righteousness / spirit back once again into Adam so he could be in His presence. Without God's (not Adam's) righteousnes placed once again within him, Adam could not be with God.

Meaining, we are purposed to die once but born twice. We are born in the physical of course and all will die physically and go back to the ground. There is no "soul" that continues on after we die. The "spirit" that was placed in Adam had to return to God and Adam was removed from the Garden. All human beings that were born outside the Garden would die and return to the ground... and ONLY when God restores HIS RIGTHEOUSNESS back into us at the time of resurrection will be become a "living soul" once again and can be in His presence for eternity. All will be resurrected - those who accepted and rejected Jesus as their Lord and Savor - but not at the same time. The death and resurrection of Jesus was indeed symbolic of what will occur at the time of the end.







Several schools of eschatology base their entire point on a future general resurrection as put forward by Daniel, and then allegedly echoed by Jesus.

Some claim that, saying the resurrection mentioned in Matthew 27 applied to all the OT as their last day resurrection is considered heresy.

You have put a lot of study time into the book of Daniel. Does Daniel explicitly spell out the entire work of the Cross, and how it has affected humanity for 2,000 years? If you can truthfully say no, then why would many use Daniel to trump all explicit NT passages on Jesus both as the Christ and the King to come? That would include a resurrection at the Cross, and the other one's mentioned in the NT, that Daniel never explicitly told us about.
 

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Jeremiah 31:31-34 is only for God's People = Jew & Gentile who, TOGETHER, are under the Brit Chadasha
There is absolutely no doubt that all Gentiles who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior will enter His Kingdom. But take a look at Jeremiah before the cross -


31“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah32not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, [h]though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their https://biblehub.com/nkjv/jeremiah/31.htm#footnoteshearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
 
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There is absolutely no doubt that all Gentiles who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior will enter His Kingdom. But take a look at Jeremiah before the cross -


31“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah32not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, [h]though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their Jeremiah 31 NKJVhearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
ABSOLUTELY TRUE = ALL of it.

Now take a LOOK at who the Brit Chadasha was/is for: John chapter 1

HE(the Word) was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
 
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There is absolutely no doubt that all Gentiles who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior will enter His Kingdom. But take a look at Jeremiah before the cross -


31“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah32not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, [h]though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their Jeremiah 31 NKJVhearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Is Jeremiah 31:31 the first prophecy of Salvation in Christ, promised/prophesied in the OT scriptures???
 
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Not sure.. but Genesis 3:15 might be the first… ???
Brother - you are one of the first to get to Genesis 3:15 on the first try!!! = AWESOME

In Genesis 3:15 we SEE that the LORD is also the first Prophet in the Scriptures to declare VICTORY over SIN by the 'Seed of the Woman'.

Question: Since Genesis 3:15 is the Promise to Come, the SAVIOR,, who then was the New Covenant made to?

Some believe Jeremiah 31:31 only pertains to the Jews, yet we SEE that God made His Promise to Adam & Eve and their descendants.
God's Promise of a SAVIOR was LONG BEFORE God created the Hebrew nation = thru whom the MESSIAH came into the world.

CLUE: "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

CLUE: "the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."


SHALOM
 
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Brother - you are one of the first to get to Genesis 3:15 on the first try!!! = AWESOME

In Genesis 3:15 we SEE that the LORD is also the first Prophet in the Scriptures to declare VICTORY over SIN by the 'Seed of the Woman'.

Question: Since Genesis 3:15 is the Promise to Come, the SAVIOR,, who then was the New Covenant made to?

Some believe Jeremiah 31:31 only pertains to the Jews, yet we SEE that God made His Promise to Adam & Eve and their descendants.
God's Promise of a SAVIOR was LONG BEFORE God created the Hebrew nation = thru whom the MESSIAH came into the world.

CLUE: "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

CLUE: "the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."


SHALOM
Without researching this, I would say the NC was a replacement / a better covenant that was originally given to Moses on Mt. Sinai. Since it is a better covenant to His people, I would say it was given to them. Now, the covenant given to Moses was so Israel would learn, study, obey all of God's commandments so they would be in a position to go out into the world to preach and teach there is only one God - the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and, through this covenant they too would be saved. But the Jews failed in that mission - they kept Him to themselves. Now, God would arrive and offer a NC - a better covenant that would essentially be the same - 10 commandments but it would no longer rely on any man / group / people to teach this salvation to the Gentiles / world. This NC was no longer dependent on any man for it to succeed. God would send His Holy Spirit who would not fail and give each of us the unlimited power to succeed.

So, although it was to be given to the Jews, God certainly knew they would reject Him and He would send this NC out into the world. And although it would not fail because of man's refusal to spread or preach the Good News, it still would be started by Paul, a Jew at the beginning of the church.

This was God's plan from the beginning of the world. Sin began with Adam, sin had to be removed from all "Adam's" - there was no nations, religions, borders or boundaries... so God would make available this NC to all mankind. Now, God would send it out into the world for all .... through His Holy Spirit.

I don't know what you are looking for but that is my quick response.
 

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Without researching this, I would say the NC was a replacement / a better covenant that was originally given to Moses on Mt. Sinai. Since it is a better covenant to His people, I would say it was given to them. Now, the covenant given to Moses was so Israel would learn, study, obey all of God's commandments so they would be in a position to go out into the world to preach and teach there is only one God - the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and, through this covenant they too would be saved. But the Jews failed in that mission - they kept Him to themselves. Now, God would arrive and offer a NC - a better covenant that would essentially be the same - 10 commandments but it would no longer rely on any man / group / people to teach this salvation to the Gentiles / world. This NC was no longer dependent on any man for it to succeed. God would send His Holy Spirit who would not fail and give each of us the unlimited power to succeed.

So, although it was to be given to the Jews, God certainly knew they would reject Him and He would send this NC out into the world. And although it would not fail because of man's refusal to spread or preach the Good News, it still would be started by Paul, a Jew at the beginning of the church.

This was God's plan from the beginning of the world. Sin began with Adam, sin had to be removed from all "Adam's" - there was no nations, religions, borders or boundaries... so God would make available this NC to all mankind. Now, God would send it out into the world for all .... through His Holy Spirit.

I don't know what you are looking for but that is my quick response.
This was God's plan from the beginning of the world. Sin began with Adam, sin had to be removed from all "Adam's" - there was no nations, religions, borders or boundaries... so God would make available this NC to all mankind. Now, God would send it out into the world for all .... through His Holy Spirit.
PEREFECT = your summation couldn't be better = "thru the Holy Spirit"
 

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The cross was certainly not only physical but more than symbolic.
Many want to declare the second coming as a mere spiritual concept called the New Jerusalem, that has already been fulfilled in the first century.

Those who say the first coming was physical, but the Second Coming is not, are missing the whole point of Daniel 9. They may as well say the first coming was not physical either.
 

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Brethren in Christ -- BEWARE of those who try to convince you that the final 70th week of Daniel 9 was NOT included within Christ's Ministry.

24“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;(7+ 62 = 69)
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26“And after the sixty-two weeks(plus 7 = 69)
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

Messiah was cut-off AFTER the 69th week(7+62) = which is the 70th Week as shown in v24

The GOSPEL is the 70th Week! - without MESSIAH you cannot have:
a.) "an end of sins" = Cross = "It is FINISHED"
b.) "reconciliation for iniquity" = Hebrews chapter 9
c.) Everlasting Righteousness/Eternal Life = John 5:24
d.) "to seal up vision and prophecy" = Book of REVELATION
e.) "to anoint the Most Holy" = Hebrews chapter 9

Using the word "after" in the above way is serious error.

The meaning in Daniel 9 is at the completion of the 69th week is when Christ being cut off was represented. After the 69th week, Jesus' Ministry had nothing to do with those events that happened afterwards.
 

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Using the word "after" in the above way is serious error.

The meaning in Daniel 9 is at the completion of the 69th week is when Christ being cut off was represented. After the 69th week, Jesus' Ministry had nothing to do with those events that happened afterwards.
Good Morning my Brother in CHRIST

"completion" of the 69th week is SAME as:
a) END
b.) AFTER
c.) PAST
d.) Fulfilled
e.) Accomplished

Which brings us to the 70 the week where MESSIAH was "CUT-OFF"

the Messiah
מָשִׁ֖יחַ (mā·šî·aḥ)
Adjective - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4899: 1) anointed, anointed one 1a) of the Messiah, Messianic prince 1b) of the king of Israel 1c) of the high priest of Israel 1d) of Cyrus 1e) of the patriarchs as anointed kings

will be cut off
יִכָּרֵ֥ת (yik·kā·rêṯ)
Verb - Nifal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3772: 1) to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to cut off 1a1a) to cut off a body part, behead 1a2) to cut down 1a3) to hew 1a4) to cut or make a covenant 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be cut off 1b2) to be cut down 1b3) to be chewed 1b4) to be cut off, fail 1c) (Pual) 1c1) to be cut off 1c2) to be cut down 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cut off 1d2) to cut off, destroy 1d3) to cut down, destroy 1d4) to take away 1d5) to permit to perish 1e) (Hophal) cut off

SHALOM
 
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Good Morning my Brother in CHRIST

"completion" of the 69th week is SAME as:
a) END
b.) AFTER
c.) PAST
d.) Fulfilled
e.) Accomplished

Which brings us to the 70 the week where MESSIAH was "CUT-OFF"

the Messiah
מָשִׁ֖יחַ (mā·šî·aḥ)
Adjective - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4899: 1) anointed, anointed one 1a) of the Messiah, Messianic prince 1b) of the king of Israel 1c) of the high priest of Israel 1d) of Cyrus 1e) of the patriarchs as anointed kings

will be cut off
יִכָּרֵ֥ת (yik·kā·rêṯ)
Verb - Nifal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3772: 1) to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to cut off 1a1a) to cut off a body part, behead 1a2) to cut down 1a3) to hew 1a4) to cut or make a covenant 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be cut off 1b2) to be cut down 1b3) to be chewed 1b4) to be cut off, fail 1c) (Pual) 1c1) to be cut off 1c2) to be cut down 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cut off 1d2) to cut off, destroy 1d3) to cut down, destroy 1d4) to take away 1d5) to permit to perish 1e) (Hophal) cut off

SHALOM

You can try and use the language in the OT manuscript all you want, but that is not proof of what you say.

What is... Biblical proof of what I am saying, is that a misreading of the Daniel 9:25 verse without... considering verse 26 with it, is how some began that error of pushing the 70th week into Christ's Ministry.

And this is not a matter which breaking down into the Bible manuscript languages is going to explain.

Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


Now if the next Dan.9:26 verse did not exist, then the above verse would allow us to 'assume' that the start... of Christ's Ministry only began at that "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks" period (i.e., 69th week). Then that indeed would point to the 70th week being Christ's Ministry.

However, this next 26th verse clears this matter up for us, anchoring us away from that previous assumption...

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV


Notice that above event in 'red' is linked with that "after threescore and two weeks" period. Obviously, the destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd temple was to occur AFTER... that 69 weeks period, and it did, in 70 A.D., which was NOT the time of Lord Jesus' Ministry, because His Ministry had already ended.

Furthermore, "after threescore and two weeks" in verse 26 is NOT pointing to the 70th week.

And yet also, the Daniel 9:27 verse about the final 70th "one week", which is declaring the end of sacrifices per the old covenant, and the placing of the abomination of desolation idol which Jesus declared for the end in His Olivet discourse, further proves it is impossible... for that to be about Jesus' Ministry.
 

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Notice that above event in 'red' is linked with that "after threescore and two weeks" period. Obviously, the destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd temple was to occur AFTER... that 69 weeks period, and it did, in 70 A.D., which was NOT the time of Lord Jesus' Ministry, because His Ministry had already ended.

By your estimation here, MESSIAH was cut-off at the end of the 69th week??? = YES / NO
 

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Sorry, but I don't answer to questions about estimates.
Brother , if you refuse to answer a simple question = you default on your own thesis.

The Holy Scriptures, the Word, will answer for you = No, Messiah was not 'cut-off' at the "end of the 69th week.

The Word says:

Then after
וְאַחֲרֵ֤י (wə·’a·ḥă·rê)
Conjunctive waw | Preposition
Strong's Hebrew 310: 1) after the following part, behind (of place), hinder, afterwards (of time) 1a) as an adverb 1a1) behind (of place) 1a2) afterwards (of time) 1b) as a preposition 1b1) behind, after (of place) 1b2) after (of time) 1b3) besides 1c) as a conjunction 1c) after that 1d) as a substantive 1d1) hinder part 1e) with other prepositions 1e1) from behind 1e2) from following after

the sixty-two
שִׁשִּׁ֣ים (šiš·šîm)
Number - common plural
Strong's Hebrew 8346: 1) sixty, three score

וּשְׁנַ֔יִם (ū·šə·na·yim)
Conjunctive waw | Number - md
Strong's Hebrew 8147: 1) two 1a) two (the cardinal number) 1a1) two, both, double, twice 1b) second (the ordinal number) 1c) in combination with other numbers 1d) both (a dual number)

weeks,
הַשָּׁבֻעִים֙ (haš·šā·ḇu·‘îm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 7620: 1) seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week 1a) period of seven days, a week 1a1) Feast of Weeks 1b) heptad, seven (of years)

the Messiah
מָשִׁ֖יחַ (mā·šî·aḥ)
Adjective - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4899: 1) anointed, anointed one 1a) of the Messiah, Messianic prince 1b) of the king of Israel 1c) of the high priest of Israel 1d) of Cyrus 1e) of the patriarchs as anointed kings

will be cut off
יִכָּרֵ֥ת (yik·kā·rêṯ)
Verb - Nifal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3772: 1) to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to cut off 1a1a) to cut off a body part, behead 1a2) to cut down 1a3) to hew 1a4) to cut or make a covenant 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be cut off 1b2) to be cut down 1b3) to be chewed 1b4) to be cut off, fail 1c) (Pual) 1c1) to be cut off 1c2) to be cut down 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cut off 1d2) to cut off, destroy 1d3) to cut down, destroy 1d4) to take away 1d5) to permit to perish 1e) (Hophal) cut off
 
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I'll say it again...

And yet also, the Daniel 9:27 verse about the final 70th "one week", which is declaring the end of sacrifices per the old covenant, and the placing of the abomination of desolation idol which Jesus declared for the end in His Olivet discourse, further proves it is impossible... for that to be about Jesus' Ministry.

So think about that friends. Did sacrifices in Jerusalem per the old covenant ever end 'during'... Christ's Ministry? No, of course not.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week:
and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time,
he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
New Living Translation



Lord Jesus referred to that Daniel 9:27 "abomination of desolation" event for the final 70th "one week", but He declared it for the time of "great tribulation" at the END of this world...

Matt 24:15-21
15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

It is undeniable that in the above Scripture Lord Jesus is pointing to that "abomination of desolation" event is to happen at the very end of this world during the "great tribulation" time, which is still in our near future. That's why He linked those ideas of about His servants if on the housetop to not come down to take anything out of the house, or if in the field don't go back for clothes, etc. It is because His return will be in that time, definitely pointing the Dan.9:27 "abomination of desolation" event being at the very end of this world.

So it's really useless to debate those who refuse to grasp these simple things from Bible Scripture, but instead simply beat a dead horse that won't go anywhere.
 

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I'll say it again...

And yet also, the Daniel 9:27 verse about the final 70th "one week", which is declaring the end of sacrifices per the old covenant, and the placing of the abomination of desolation idol which Jesus declared for the end in His Olivet discourse, further proves it is impossible... for that to be about Jesus' Ministry.

So think about that friends. Did sacrifices in Jerusalem per the old covenant ever end 'during'... Christ's Ministry? No, of course not.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week:
and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time,
he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
New Living Translation



Lord Jesus referred to that Daniel 9:27 "abomination of desolation" event for the final 70th "one week", but He declared it for the time of "great tribulation" at the END of this world...

Matt 24:15-21
15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
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For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

It is undeniable that in the above Scripture Lord Jesus is pointing to that "abomination of desolation" event is to happen at the very end of this world during the "great tribulation" time, which is still in our near future. That's why He linked those ideas of about His servants if on the housetop to not come down to take anything out of the house, or if in the field don't go back for clothes, etc. It is because His return will be in that time, definitely pointing the Dan.9:27 "abomination of desolation" event being at the very end of this world.

So it's really useless to debate those who refuse to grasp these simple things from Bible Scripture, but instead simply beat a dead horse that won't go anywhere.
Scripture declares that "Seventy weeks are determined...".

Your 70th week is decapitated, orphaned, and indeterminate.

For 70 weeks to be determined, the 70th week cannot be decapitated, orphaned, and indeterminate.

For 70 weeks to be determined, the 70th week must be contiguous with the 69th week.

Your 70th week is not contiguous with the 69th week.

Your 70 weeks do not qualify as determined.

Scripture's 70th week is contiguous with the 69th week.

Scripture's 70 weeks qualify as determined.
 
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