Some key points pertaining to the parable per Luke 19:11-27.

[IndianaRob]

That happened in 720BC. Did Jesus come then and turned things around?

Why are you stuck in the future of 70AD, from the point of view of 720BC?

The Preterists of the first century BC would not understand you, as you would be a futurist to them. Israel has never been restored to this day, over 2700 years later.

How can you say Jesus restored Israel at all, then? Israel was not restored by Jesus.

Jesus did come 750 years later, but that would contradict your own point. You claim Jesus could not come 750 years later, because Israel is still waiting, after 2700 years, and will continue to wait for eternity, according to you.

Amos is still true and God has not passed by them to this day. Do you think that the Israel of Amos' day will never stand in a Judgment ever in the future? Not even the GWT Judgment? Seems to me, God cannot even pass by Israel until Israel is restored. As long as there is no Israel, Amos will still be true.

If you claim there is an Israel, according to God's promise, He is no where near that Israel, according to those verses.

There cannot even be a New Jerusalem at this point. Because Israel is still vacant according to you, and there are people who still think Israel exists. God does not have to visit this creation ever again, because all authority is in Jesus Christ, until Jesus returns creation back to God. God will definitely be present on the next created earth.

That happened when many dead bodies came out the ground and and the sun went dark about the sixth hour.

If you can’t figure that out you’re in serious spiritual trouble.

 

[Timtofly]

The Greek word translated as "short" in Revelation 12:12 is "oligos" and that word is used in the following verse:

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few (oligos) are chosen.

We know that a great multitude of people have been saved (Rev 7:9). So, was Jesus saying that literally few people are chosen or was He saying that relatively few are chosen in relation to the many who are called? The latter, right? So, the word "short" in Rev 12:12 should be understood similarly. It's referring to a relatively short or limited amount of time, but not a literally small or short amount of time.

Are you saying these were not literal people, then? If the 42 months and the thousand years are not literal, then neither would the people be in your example. You take a word that may mean the lack of a definite amount, and turn that into a literal or nonliteral point.

So are we saying these are not literal people; or that there is no definite amount given, when the word "people" is used in conjunction with "few" or "many"? We have definite times mentined in Revelation along with the phrase "short" time. Jesus never gave definite numbers in that example, so your comparison comes up short both literally and definitely. If you had bothered to read further in Revelation, although you have, so you must be intentionally leaving out the 42 months mentioned and the thousand years mentioned, and 42 months is both literally and relatively shorter than being locked up for a thousand years when that 42 months is over. We are not left without specific times frames in Revelation, some just choose to ignore those points, or blatantly deny them whichever is relatively close to what you are trying to do. Would not want to literally accuse you of anything.

It will be a literal short amount of time, 42 months. It will be a literal time of being locked in the pit, a thousand years. 42 months is relatively short compared to a thousand years. It is also literal, as John gave us literal amounts of time. Jesus never gave specific numbers of literal people. Why would you speculate about the point?

One thing about Revelation 20. According to you the thousands years may possibly not be literal. You cannot prove that one way or the other. Are you basing your eschatology on a possibility, even though you claim a strongman is definitely bound in an anology?

"Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Once again we see a general vague explanation, and nothing specific as one assumes who these are referring to. So you are basing your point once again on indefinite relative points, yourself.

This short time and subsequent binding in Revelation is directly related to the 7th Trumpet. To see it any other way is a manipulation of Scripture.

Obviously when Jesus was baptized, Satan's time was short then as well. Satan would be curtailed during the ministry of Jesus. Even Premil can agree on the first century aspect.

But then you take something associated directly with 7th Trumpet events and declare those already occurred in the first earthly ministry of Jesus as Messiah, instead of a future ministry on earth as the Prince to come. Amil do have to teach people to deny the obvious in Revelation. Satan seems to have been cast from heaven multiple times since Genesis 1.

 

[Timtofly]

I didn't say that.
I said a book would have to be written before someone could break a seal on that book.

It's a very simple concept.

It is also a simple fact that the book would have been written before it is even sealed, much less unsealed.

 

[Timtofly]

That happened when many dead bodies came out the ground and and the sun went dark about the sixth hour.

If you can’t figure that out you’re in serious spiritual trouble.

It was not a spiritual event, so why would I be spiritually effected?

It was a physical event, and upon the redemption of this physical body, I will also receive a permanent incorruptible physical body, like they did.

The only difference is I do not have to wait for a future event like they did. My physical redemption is immediate and permanent.

If you think they are still physically dead, that is your issue. If you think that was Israel being cut off, that is a weird way of explaining a physical resurrection from the grave. Israel was cut off in 720BC, and that was what Amos was talking about. Those verses never mentioned a physical resurrection from the grave.

 

[grafted branch]

Are you asking that question? Should you be asking that question? How can you be redeemed, but not one of those under the alter?

Those under the altar are asking when their blood will be avenged, not every believer is martyred, so it stands to reason that not all believers ask when their blood will be avenged. It also doesn’t make sense to say that all martyred believers will be asking the Revelation 6:10 question of “how long”.

Let’s take for example the well known missionary Jim Elliot who was killed trying to bring the gospel to a native tribe in Ecuador. After his death his wife Elizabeth went on to live with the tribe and succeeded in bringing some of the people who killed her husband to believe in Christ. Now, do you think Jim went to heaven and asked when God was going to avenge his blood on those natives? No way! He most likely said something like Stephen did in Acts 7:60, lay not this sin to their charge.

 

[tailgator]

It is also a simple fact that the book would have been written before it is even sealed, much less unsealed.

That's what I'm.saying.The book of revelation was not written till 96 AD.
What book are you reading?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you saying these were not literal people, then?

 

[IndianaRob]

It was not a spiritual event, so why would I be spiritually effected?

It was a physical event, and upon the redemption of this physical body, I will also receive a permanent incorruptible physical body, like they did.

The only difference is I do not have to wait for a future event like they did. My physical redemption is immediate and permanent.

If you think they are still physically dead, that is your issue. If you think that was Israel being cut off, that is a weird way of explaining a physical resurrection from the grave. Israel was cut off in 720BC, and that was what Amos was talking about. Those verses never mentioned a physical resurrection from the grave.

I’m saying that you don’t have spiritual sight, you can’t see Jesus in Amos 8 and probably no where else in the Old Testament.

 

[Earburner]

The first thing to note is what verse 11 does not say.

Luke 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

This verse does not say the kingdom of God will never appear. It just won't immediately appear like they were assuming it should and the very next verse tells us the reasons why.

Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

Obviously, the kingdom can't immediately appear if Jesus has to go away first, then receive a kingdom for Himself, then return.

Let's fast forward to the following for a moment.

Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

It is undeniable, this is when the kingdom literally appears. Anyone that would argue otherwise are arguing nonsense, as if there will never be a kingdom one can literally behold with their own eyes once Jesus returns. Of course there will be. Now that that's out of the way, let's look at verse 13 next.

Luke 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

To understand this part is simple. This is meaning from the time of His ascension through His return in the end of this age. That is when He comes, thus returns. In the meantime He is bodily in heaven. I don't want to get into the purpose of the 10 pounds since everyone can draw their own conclusions about that. What I do want to focus on though, thus will be the main focus of the OP, which I feel is relevant per this endless Premil vs. Amil debate is how Jesus rewards these when He returns that He entrusted with this 10 pounds. I'll get to that later. First let's look at verse 14 next.

Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

Who should we assume His citizens are meaning here? Because whoever they are meaning, it is not until Jesus returns that they are dealt with.

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

This can't possibly be meaning the unbelieving Jews that were destroyed in 70 AD. Verse 27 is not meaning 70 AD, it is meaning after He has bodily returned, thus after He has stepped foot back on this planet, the same planet some Amils have literally engulfed in flames when Christ returns.

Not to mention, if true, well there goes the entire animal kingdom then, since there is no ark to preserve them this time around. Which is really bizarre that God felt a need to preserve the animal kingdom during the flood but no longer finds the need to preserve them when Christ returns. He just burns them all up instead. And it wouldn't surprise me if some of these Amils think there will be animals on the new earth. Talk about contradictions. There are going to be animals on the new earth except God burned all of the animals up when He returned.

Not to mention, infants being burned alive, children being burned alive, etc. After all, He never spared any of those during the flood so why would He spare them this time around, right? This assuming these Amils are correct that the entire planet is engulfed in flames when He returns.

BTW, all of these things are relevant if there is going to be a 1000 year era of time following Christ's return. Can't have an era of time like that if the entire planet is literally engulfed in flames when Christ returns. Thus the reason I brought some of those things up, that it doesn't make sense that the entire planet is literally engulfed in flames when Christ returns when there has to be an era of time to still fulfill after Christ has returned.

Since Jesus has already received his kingdom, we must take seriously that it really is not now of this world, nor shall it ever be.

John 18
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

But, I can tell you where it is now, and how it shall finally be.
Luke 17
[20] And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[tailgator]

Since Jesus has already received his kingdom, we must take seriously that it really is not now of this world, nor shall it ever be.

John 18
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

But, I can tell you where it is now, and how it shall finally be.
Luke 17
[20] And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Jesus said now my kingdom is not from hence.He didn't say it will never be his as you claim.


John 18
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


The seventh Trump had not sounded 2000 years ago so the kingdom of this world was not from hence then.


For you to deny the kingdom of this world will ever be Christs is an argument you have against the word of God itself.


15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”



The kingdom of this world will certainly be Christs after the seventh Trump sounds.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus said now my kingdom is not from hence.He didn't say it will never be his as you claim.


John 18
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


The seventh Trump had not sounded 2000 years ago so the kingdom of this world was not from hence then.


For you to deny the kingdom of this world will ever be Christs is an argument you have against the word of God itself.


15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”



The kingdom of this world will certainly be Christs after the seventh Trump sounds.

There are only three possibilities of that which could be earthen.
1. This present old earth.
2. A future new earth.
3. What Jesus inherited, that no one else has yet inherited, ever since the day of his bodily resurrection..

His promise: John 14
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[tailgator]

There are only three possibilities of that which could be earthen.
1. This present old earth.
2. A future new earth.
3. What Jesus inherited, that no one else has yet inherited, ever since the day of his bodily resurrection..

His promise: John 14
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

So you believe the kingdom of this world is them who are not of the world?
I don't think so.
I do believe the kingdom of this world is exactly what scripture says it is.

Land
The Lords land to be precise.

Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors


This land which the Lord receives at the same time Israel is resurected is in the land of Israel.

Ezekiel 37

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.



I think it's pretty self explanatory.Osrael.will be gathered to the land of Israel when Israel is brought up out of their graves.Theu shall dwell on the land of Israel where Messiah will reign forever.

 

[tailgator]

There are only three possibilities of that which could be earthen.
1. This present old earth.
2. A future new earth.
3. What Jesus inherited, that no one else has yet inherited, ever since the day of his bodily resurrection..

His promise: John 14
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

So you believe the kingdom of this world is them who are not of the world?
I don't think so.
I do believe the kingdom of this world is exactly what scripture says it is.

Land

Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors


This land which the Lord receives at the same time Israel is resurected is in the land of Israel.

Ezekiel 37

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.



I think it's pretty self explanatory.Osrael.will be gathered to the land of Israel when Israel is brought up out of their graves.Theu shall dwell on the land of Israel where Messiah will reign forever

There are only three possibilities of that which could be earthen.
1. This present old earth.
2. A future new earth.
3. What Jesus inherited, that no one else has yet inherited, ever since the day of his bodily resurrection..

His promise: John 14
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Again notice,it is the kingdom of the beast under heaven that is destroyed and then given to the saints forever.


The beasts kingdom is literally consumed and then given to the saints.After being given to the say yes ,it is an everlasting kingdom that will never be destroyed.

Daniel 7

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[Earburner]

So you believe the kingdom of this world is them who are not of the world?
I don't think so.

You have not understood how Jesus is like a thief in the night ever since Pentecost.
See the synopsis of the parables of "the strong man", beginning in Luke 11:21.

I do believe the kingdom of this world is exactly what scripture says it is.

Land

Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors

This land which the Lord receives at the same time Israel is resurected is in the land of Israel.

Nope! You misunderstand that spiritual Israel is Heavenly Jerusalem (the inner court), and Jerusalem which now is, is the (outer court), which is given over to the Gentiles to trample under foot, until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled (this present Age of God's Grace through Christ).

Ezekiel 37

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

That is Heavenly Jereusalm- Gal. Ch. 4.
All of which, both Jews and Gentiles, through faith in Christ, will live in the "land" of their inheritance, aka after the likeness of the Immortality of Christ. "Where-IN dwelleth [God's] Righteousness".

I think it's pretty self explanatory.Osrael.will be gathered to the land of Israel when Israel is brought up out of their graves.Theu shall dwell on the land of Israel where Messiah will reign forever

Again notice,it is the kingdom of the beast under heaven that is destroyed and then given to the saints forever.


The beasts kingdom is literally consumed and then given to the saints.After being given to the say yes ,it is an everlasting kingdom that will never be destroyed.

Daniel 7

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Exactly! It's been going on since Pentecost, until finally in the last generation, when Christ comes in all His Glory, in flaming fire, the mark of the beast will have separated the goats from the sheep.
The goats will have been gathered and bundled ready to be burned, and the sheep will have been gathered into the Lord's "garner", aka heavenly Jerusalem.

 

[tailgator]

You have not understood how Jesus is like a thief in the night ever since Pentecost.
See the synopsis of the parable of "the strong man", beginning in Luke 11-21.

Nope! You misunderstand that spiritual Israel is Heavenly Jerusalem (the inner court), and Jerusalem which now is, is the (outer court), which is given over to the Gentiles to trample under foot, until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled (this present Age of God's Grace through Christ).

That is Heavenly Jereusalm- Gal. Ch. 4.
All of which, both Jews and Gentiles, through faith in Christ, will live in the "land" of their inheritance, aka after the likeness of the Immortality of Christ. "Where-IN dwelleth [God's] Righteousness".

Exactly! It's been going on since Pentecost, until finally in the last generation, when Christ comes in all His Glory, in flaming fire, the mark of the beast will have separated the goats from the sheep.
The goats will have been gathered and bundled ready to be burned, and the sheep will have been gathered into the Lord's "garner", aka heavenly Jerusalem.

No ,I don't believe Jesus came as a thief in the night at pentecost.
Pentecost was not the war of armegeddon.

Revelation
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


You can believe pentecost is Armegeddon all you want but I disagree.

 

[Earburner]

No ,I don't believe Jesus came as a thief in the night at pentecost.
Pentecost was not the war of armegeddon.

Revelation
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


You can believe pentecost is Armegeddon all you want but I disagree.

Unfortunately, you are not discerning the difference between "the mind of Christ" within you, from that of your own "natural mind". Please see KJV Isa. 55:8-9; all of 1 Cor. ch. 2, especially verse 5.

The parable of "the strong man" says it ALL.
There is a saying: "To the victor, go the spoils of war", being those things belonging to the opponent.

In that parable:
Q1. Who is the Victor?
A. Christ.

Q2. Who are the spoils, aka house(s)?
A. Unsaved people.

Q3. Who is the strong man?
A.  Satan/unclean spirits.

Now read the synopsis of that parable in Matt.12
[29] Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house [dwelling place], and spoil his goods, except he FIRST bind the strong man? and then he will spoil [take, steal away] his house [dwelling place].

Mark.3
[27] No man can enter into a strong man's house [dwelling place], and spoil [take away/steal] his goods [of unsaved people], except he will  FIRST bind the strong man; and then he will spoil [steal, take away] his house. [dwelling place].

Luke.11
[21] When a strong man armed keepeth his palace [dwelling place], his goods [unsaved people] are in peace:
[22] But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome [binds] him, he taketh [steals away] from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth notwith me scattereth.

> Key words for understanding:
[24] When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house [dwelling place] whence I came out.
[25] And when he cometh, he findeth it [his house] swept and garnished [by the blood of Christ].
[26] Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

Q4. The blood of Christ was shed for every man. Through faith, it makes us to be acceptable and ready for the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit.
How is it that the unclean spirit was able to re-enter the man, bringing with him several other unclean spirits?
A. Many professing Christians seek the forgiveness of their sins through faith in the shed blood of Christ, but they never open the door of their inner selves, to invite the literal Spirit of Christ to take up permanent residence within them. Luke 11:13; John 3:3-8; Rev. 3:15-20.
Therefore, all of such, "who have not the Spirit of Christ", are Christians in name only, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof", and are very vulnerable to satan's INVASIONS of re-entering them.
See Rom. 8:8-9.

 

[tailgator]

Unfortunately, you are not discerning the difference between "the mind of Christ" within you, from that of your own "natural mind". Please see KJV Isa. 55:8-9; all of 1 Cor. ch. 2, especially verse 5.

The parable of "the strong man" says it ALL.
There is a saying: "To the victor, go the spoils of war", being those things belonging to the opponent.

In that parable:
Q1. Who is the Victor?
A. Christ.

Q2. Who are the spoils, aka house(s)?
A. Unsaved people.

Q3. Who is the strong man?
A.  Satan/unclean spirits.

Now read the synopsis of that parable in Matt.12
[29] Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house [dwelling place], and spoil his goods, except he FIRST bind the strong man? and then he will spoil [take, steal away] his house [dwelling place].

Mark.3
[27] No man can enter into a strong man's house [dwelling place], and spoil [take away/steal] his goods [of unsaved people], except he will  FIRST bind the strong man; and then he will spoil [steal, take away] his house. [dwelling place].

Luke.11
[21] When a strong man armed keepeth his palace [dwelling place], his goods [unsaved people] are in peace:
[22] But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome [binds] him, he taketh [steals away] from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth notwith me scattereth.

> Key words for understanding:
[24] When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house [dwelling place] whence I came out.
[25] And when he cometh, he findeth it [his house] swept and garnished [by the blood of Christ].
[26] Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

Q4. The blood of Christ was shed for every man. Through faith, it makes us to be acceptable and ready for the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit.
How is it that the unclean spirit was able to re-enter the man, bringing with him several other unclean spirits?
A. Many professing Christians seek the forgiveness of their sins through faith in the shed blood of Christ, but they never open the door of their inner selves, to invite the literal Spirit of Christ to take up permanent residence within them. Luke 11:13; John 3:3-8; Rev. 3:15-20.
Therefore, all of such are Christians in name only, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof", and are very vulnerable to satan's INVASIONS of re-entering them.
See Rom. 8:8-9.

It's actually very simple.
Jesus didn't come as a thief on the day of pentecost.
The war of armegeddon was not in 33 AD.

You obviously will not know when that day comes because you believe it is already past.



Revelation
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

[Earburner]

It's actually very simple.
Jesus didn't come as a thief on the day of pentecost.
The war of armegeddon was not in 33 AD.

You obviously will not know when that day comes because you believe it is already past.



Revelation
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

When did I deny the Lord's sudden and Glorious return in flaming fire? KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10.
If you read it in the KJV, you may be surprised to discover that those TWO events of "when" it shall take place, will be simultaneous.

However, it is still necessary to discern the depth of God's words in the parable of "the strongman". Ever since Pentecost, Jesus has been daily stealing the "houses" of satan's dwelling place, on a one to one basis. Please see my post #336

It's sad that you are misunderstanding me, and therefore arriving at a presumptuous conclusion about me. By your words, I am learning that you are at the moment living only at the surface.

 

[Timtofly]

Those under the altar are asking when their blood will be avenged, not every believer is martyred, so it stands to reason that not all believers ask when their blood will be avenged. It also doesn’t make sense to say that all martyred believers will be asking the Revelation 6:10 question of “how long”.

Let’s take for example the well known missionary Jim Elliot who was killed trying to bring the gospel to a native tribe in Ecuador. After his death his wife Elizabeth went on to live with the tribe and succeeded in bringing some of the people who killed her husband to believe in Christ. Now, do you think Jim went to heaven and asked when God was going to avenge his blood on those natives? No way! He most likely said something like Stephen did in Acts 7:60, lay not this sin to their charge.

I keep telling you they are not martyrs, nor are they asking for personal revenge. They are asking about the end of sin and death, from Adam's disobedience.

Who are those who are judged for being wicked? Those who remain in their sins.

Is God just for destroying the wicked? That is why this verse is not about martyrs avenging their escape from sin and death. They want their revenge against the one who is the father of sin, not those deceived.

"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

Do you not think that is the purpose of the Second Coming, to bind Satan, and remove sin and death from the earth? This is the vengeance they were asking about. This is not about payback. This is about those who love to live in disobedience to God. Those slain were all those slain in Christ as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This was not about physical death, but the Atonement of sin. None of those souls died for their own sins. The symbolism is about being in Christ, free from sin.

 

[Timtofly]

That's what I'm.saying.The book of revelation was not written till 96 AD.
What book are you reading?

The book sealed was the Lamb's book of Life. It was not the book of Revelation. That was read in the first century. The Lamb's book of life is still sealed. That is the book with 7 seals. Why would the 7 Trumpets be found in the Lamb's book of life?