Justified by Works

[GracePeace]

Yep, if someone asks your forgiveness you must give it. i dont have any problem with that.

...again, more "deflection" : what happens to the person who has been forgiven but who does not forgive? Does the forgiveness remain or is it ultimately rescinded? And how did he get the forgiveness in the first place? By the righteousness of faith which says "blessed is the man whose sins God will not remember" (Ro 4:6-8). Thus, how does he lose the forgiveness? By the righteousness of faith being removed/forgotten as Ezekiel 18:24 says, thus debunking your empty claims.

 

[GracePeace]

If you bear false witness you infract the law in your mind. You wrote to me a believer is under grace and law

Show me where I ever said believers were both "under grace" and "under law"--quote it to me.

I deny that that is the case, and I deny that I ever said it--I don't believe it, so why would I say it?

 

[uncle silas]

...again, more "deflection" : what happens to the person who has been forgiven but who does not forgive? Does the forgiveness remain or is it ultimately removed? And how did he get the forgiveness in the first place ? By the righteousness of faith (Ro 4:6-8). Thus, how does he lose the forgiveness? By the righteousness of faith being removed/forgotten as Ezekiel 18:24 says, thus debunking your empty claims.

A true christian will always forgive, even if, he needs some prodding.

 

[amigo de christo]

You have a convenient theology that is nowhere reflected in Scripture. LOL

What i write next is a general reminder to us all .
I noticed you brought up a word . Convienient theology . HECK they been doing that for years and decades my friend .
Its a matter of what they make the bible say in order to FIT what they DESIRE .
a matter of what is CONVENIENT for them and a changing world . Many DO THIS my friend .
i have seen it for years . For years .
I truly wish folks would just read the bible for themselves and learn and grow .
Men have taught many of their own precepts as though they are the doctrine of GOD .
JESUS once warned about that too .
They worship GOD in vain , teaching the precepts of men . i seen this a lot my friend .
its why we got this two gospel junk stuff , this paul verses james stuff , and many other things they do and teach .
Coveinent theology . the theology that suits and pleases men , BUT NOT GOD .
Its time the church embraces the WORD and words inspired of GOD in that bible for themselves
and start loving them words and stop loving the words of men that twist things .

 

[GracePeace]

A true christian will always forgive, even if, he needs some prodding.

LOL So Jesus is lying? Why did He say "God will do this to you" instead of saying, "Don't worry, God will never do this to you"? Why did He even tell the parable in that case?

 

[uncle silas]

Show me where I ever said believers were both "under grace" and "under law"--quote it to me.

I deny that that is the case, and I deny that I ever said it--I don't believe it, so why would I say it?

You told me believers had grace and were under law. Eternally Grateful read it, Im sure he will agree. Im not trolling through heaps of posts to find it

 

[GracePeace]

A true christian will always forgive, even if, he needs some prodding.

True Christians never sin--they never fail to forgive?
What happened to the Corinthians, then? They were living in sin!

 

[GracePeace]

You told me believers had grace and were under law. Eternally Grateful read it, Im sure he will agree. Im not trolling through heaps of posts to find it

You can't quote me saying believers are both "under grace" and "under law"--I don't believe that, and I reject that idea--so it didn't happen. Don't falsely accuse me.

 

[uncle silas]

LOL So Jesus is lying? Why did He say "God will do this to you" instead of saying, "Don't worry, God will never do this to you"? Why did He even tell the parable in that case?

I said a true christian, you don't have the scope to understand. When we don't do what God wants us to do, he will bring us to a point where we do, do it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well if unlearned and unstable men have taught churches for centuries, its a pity you never started a church and put people straight

well i never said ALL the churches did this .

 

[uncle silas]

True Christians never sin--they never fail to forgive?
What happened to the Corinthians, then? They were living in sin!

Where did I state christians don't sin? Are you infracting the law in your mind again/

 

[GracePeace]

I said a true christian, you don't have the scope to understand. When we don't do what God wants us to do, he will bring us to a point where we do, do it.

What is a "true Christian"? Someone who has true faith? The guy in the parable had true faith, because the righteousness of faith is defined as being forgiven (Ro 4:6-8).

Again, you're saying Christ is a liar, that the Father will NEVER do this to us, never remove our forgiveness--sorry, again, I go with the text.

 

[GracePeace]

You told me believers had grace and were under law. Eternally Grateful read it, Im sure he will agree. Im not trolling through heaps of posts to find it

I've blocked Eternally Grateful, as I'd found it far too problematic to discuss anything with him, so I wouldn't be aware of what he says (though I wouldn't be surprised if he'd misunderstood me as you apparently have).

 

[uncle silas]

What is a "true Christian"? Someone who has true faith? The guy in the parable had true faith, because the righteousness of faith is defined as being forgiven (Ro 4:6-8).

Again, you're saying Christ is a liar, that the Father will NEVER do this to us, never remove our forgiveness--sorry, again, I go with the text.

You read lireralistically what you want to read, you will never understand the bible that way:
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remmeber no more.
The holy spirit testified to those words, I would be careful how you respond

 

[GracePeace]

Where did I state christians don't sin? Are you infracting the law in your mind again/

When you say that true Christians always forgive (to try to rescue your hide from the tanning Scripture is giving your false conclusions), you're stating that Christians don't sin.

 

[GracePeace]

You read lireralistically what you want to read, you will never understand the bible that way:
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remmeber no more.
The holy spirit testified to those words, I would be careful how you respond

Yeah, thus the guy had faith--and when the forgiveness is rescinded, he doesn't have faith. Duh!

 

[uncle silas]

When you say that true Christians always forgive (to try to rescue your hide from the tanning Scripture is giving your false conclusions), you're stating that Christians don't sin.

Nope, stop infracting the law in oyur mind

 

[uncle silas]

Yeah, thus the guy had faith--and when the forgiveness is rescinded, he doesn't have faith. Duh!

You see, you cannot accept the bible as one cohesive whole, bye

 

[GracePeace]

Im not trolling through heaps of posts to find it

If you cannot substantiate your claims, stop falsely accusing me.

 

[amigo de christo]

Like you told me a couple of days ago christians are under law and grace?

you better hope one is not under the law . By the glorious righteous law , CAN no man be justified .
We is under grace . ONLY let us not be as many and use grace as a means to make void the law .
meaning the righteousness part of the law . you know
as in they use liberty as an occasion to serve the flesh , aka to sin .
NOT GOOD . And its a real bad sign one is not and has not been born again .
For the SPIRIT shed by GOD unto the heart of the true beleiver , IT CHANGES SAID HEART OF TRUE BELEIVER .
the FRUIT of the SPIRIT is in all goodness , righteousness and TRUTH
proving what is acceptable to GOD . sin is not accetable to GOD , never has been never will be .
THE fruit of the wicked , IS TO SIN . ye shall know them by their fruits all right .
Any who stands and justifies sins ,other gospels , other religoins , other paths , YEAH I GOTTA SAY that AINT COMING FROM GOD
But as for the true lambs we are not UNDER the law . We are under grace .
the grace that teaches us to DENY , yeah that says DENY , ALL ungodliness and wordly lusts
and to be LIVING righteously , godly , holy in this present world ,
Grace dont make excuse for sin or honor sin , or close a blind eye to those in error .
No sir . So lets remember that the next time folks holler GOD is love
and yet you see rainbows , budda statues , korans , and who knows what else getting accepted as valid .
Cause , YEAH that AINTGRACE , that is DESTRUCTION and a delusion .