Unsaved Jews could not keep the Law. The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil always leads to death, even if the "promise" it holds forth is life--if righteousness and life came by the Law, Christ died in vain.
Justified by Works
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As I have got older and had discussions on this subject for at least 8 years, it struck me today simply the word "love"
says it all.
Jesus died to show at the heart of God is love, held righteously.
Sin is selfishness exalted above the needs of everyone around the individual.
If anyone takes seriously Jesus and walks in love from the heart, righteousness is the only way.
It is the fruit of the reality of heaven breaking into the heart of a believer.
When a dam breaks and washes away whatever was below it there is no argument about the power
of the water, it is self evident. So when someone truly encounters Jesus, the dam is broken, the prisoner
set free, life foundational things are changed and shifted.
It is only those who have not grown and had this reality in their lives, to keep their reality whole call this
heresy.
I have seen and heard testimonies of families who pose for pictures of a happy family because it looks good
while suffering abuse and hidden discord below the surface because they know what they would like but have
not got it, and do not know how to get there.
So let no one be discouraged you know Jesus and Jesus knows you. Be at peace,
God bless you
So true. Knowledge is just knowing opportunity, but without love and right perspective, evil
will always appear more inviting even though it leads to death.
What did the serpent say to Eve? Gaining knowledge is worth more and the risk of death is a lie.
So not trusting God, the creator of everything is worth giving up for the illusion of gain unearnt
at the price of ones existance? That is the definition of delusion and self harm.
The Lord is strange, He talks about everything and desires discussion. He wants openness and
discovery together, yet in sin we desire darkness, hidden agendas and getting something we believe
we do not deserve but will take anyway.
There is a reason the Lord is light. He does not declare Himself worthy, but through His actions desires
that creation affirms He is worthy. This is strange in one sense, because He is worthy demonstrated by
HIs actions, so His self praise would be true, yet that pride and self exultation is itself the trap that
satan fell into.
The parable of the prodigal son puts it so well. Going after self pleasure and bought attention is empty
and meaningless, but to be a gate keeper in the house of the Lord is worth everything. Status does not
matter, being part of the Lord and His love is eternity.
You are right.
When my mother, whom I dearly loved was diagnosed with terminal cancer, my wife and I went to look after her in her home. I put aside my own wants and desires, for my mothers. Nothing was too much trouble for me to do for her. My happiness was seeing her happy in the time she had left to live. It was pure joy for me, taking her out for the day to places she loved to go, before her illness progressed and stopped this being possible. And taking her to see her friends and bringing them to see her.
One evening, I was standing outside my mother's bungalow, and I pondered I was living closer to the biblical ideal than I had ever previously lived. I did not want to harm my mother, steal from her, covet what was hers, lie about her, or do anything other than please her. During this time, did I look to a list of commandments and seek to obey them to treat my mother this way? No! I never once thought of any of them during this time. So, why was I treating my mother as I was, why was I in line with biblical commands?? Because I loved my mother dearly. Love, really is the fulfillment of the law
It is an abomination to love what oughtn't be loved; i think, also, it is an abomination to not love what ought to be loved--and God ought to be loved.
Then again, Jesus brings glory to the Father, and the Father glorifies the Son, so, could it be that they're not self glorifyng?
On the other hand, Paul refers to people who think they're something when they're nothing, and how that, without love, we are nothing--maybe for God, Who "is love", it couldn't be at all wrong to commend Himself, "Look to Me, all the ends of the earth, and be saved".
In my view, sin in them doesn't give them freedom, but works its works in them against their inner man's will, causing them to be guilty, killing and enslaving them (this is all from Romans 7)--the question is whether they will be honest about their slavery or not.
This just struck me this morning--so many individual "commands", even New Testament expectations, are wrapped up and fulfilled in "love".
I'm hoping this will restore/change my life.
This is reassuring, sounds like the same stuff God is always saying to me.
If "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6), and "God is love", maybe it is true, to some extent, that God's love is us is our righteousness.
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe Rom3:21&22
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom10:4
We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified/righteous by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. Gal2:15&16
Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith Gal3:23&24
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in[a] Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. Phil3:9
Boundaries. Jesus said something very strange. He asked the Father that we might be one as He was one with the Father.
I believe He was talking about shared views, heart, motivation, where love is our love with the Lords love working together for His glory. Our danger is wanting to define and objectify that which is combined and united. We are made righteous through the cross, but can we go further than this?
The image of us being branches in the vine sums up the problem, we just need to dwell.
What frustrates us is going beyond this but maybe that is just our insecurity and wanting to own something that is eternally shared. God bless you
Do you dispute the believers righteousness is faith in Christ?
Do you dispute Jer 23:6?
They're both true : "God Is Our Righteousness" is one of Christ's names, AND "God's Righteousness" is the basis of justification (by God's grace through faith).
The fact you could not give a simple no to the question really doesn't speak well of you. The NT is the new covenant. And, it is repeatedly stated in the NT faith in Christ is a believers righteousness. To want to go elsewhere, instead of simply agreeing, really is not advisable
I'm on my phone. It's hard to type. Also, I don't see a point in re-typing everything I've already spent my time explaining. Why is it offensive for me to ask that you read the OP?
