KJV Only?

[MA2444]

In the last days it is said there will be many false Christs. Is it reasonable to assume these antichrists would produce false bibles?

I've heard of a couple. The Satanic bible and the tgbtz bible, lol.

But what version/translation of the Christian Bible do you dislike? Or the one you like the least? If the Lord put you on earth and caused for that version Bible to be put into your hands as a child or young man...then how could it not still lead you to Christ? If you obey what it tells you to do inside of it...many thigs will happen to you! Good and supernatural things.

If that was the only Bible that you ever had, how could God hold you to be guilty of condemnation if you never had the right Bible to begin with? Do you think that God can not get any book into your hands over the courseof the ages? Pfft! Child's play to God!

The biggest detriment to opening up the Lord and the Heavens to yourself is usually not obeying what the book says and applying the priciples and commandments therein to your life. To be a doer and not just a hearer of the word. So people have lost confidence in the word because they dont obey it. So they dont read it. Then they waont pray enough...

And you know how humans are! I didnt do it. It was like that when I got here (Lol).
That woman that thou gave to me did it! They profess to e Christians yet deny the power of God.

If we get there on judgment day and the Lord says, why didnt you read my book of instruction to you? WHat will you say? I didnt trust that translation? Then the Lord might say, but you had the truth in your hands, and wouldnt read it.

If you dont like the version of the Bible that you own, get a different version! One you are comfortable with.

One time a well meaning Brother in Christ suggested buying a Satanic Bible in order to be able to debate Satanists more efficiently...(My jaw hit the floor!)

They do not train bank tellers how to spot counterfeit money by showing them counterfeits! They show them the good money, the truth. I told him that and he got mad at me, lol.

 

[MA2444]

They stuck a KJV Bible into my hand when I was about 10 or 12? So I learned Shakesperian English and got used to it. Then many years later my friend bought me an NIV Bible....and God said Oh no you dont! And He changed it into a NKJV instead. So I dont even use an NIV at Biblegateway.com for a parrellel.

I can refute Hinduism and I've never picked up a Hindu bible. If the Hindu's were right and Christianity wrong, then I aint responsible to not find God! He made it a KJV, so I gotta assume that God is orchestrating all that and go with the truth. Jesus is going to say, but you had the truth in your hands....Lord help our unbelief.

 

[One 2 question]

The Lord told me that He talks to us all day long 24/7. You have to condition yourself to be sensitive to His voice inside of you.

Good to hear. I have had the privilege to hear my Creators speak directly to my spirit within me. I wasn't always sensitive to the Spirit communicating with me.
I had another source that I would go to regularly, many times a days for decades. It became an idol, something that came between me and my God. Once I realised what I was doing, I had to repent of this idol. That was years ago now and since then I go straight to the One Who accesses the Source of knowledge and truth, the Person, the Word Who became human, was glorified and dispenses truth as He pleases.

This has been life changing. I have been transformed more and more into the likeness of the Divine Father and possess the character of the Creators over these last few years.

 

[MA2444]

Good to hear. I have had the privilege to hear my Creators speak directly to my spirit within me. I wasn't always sensitive to the Spirit communicating with me.
I had another source that I would go to regularly, many times a days for decades. It became an idol, something that came between me and my God. Once I realised what I was doing, I had to repent of this idol. That was years ago now and since then I go straight to the One Who accesses the Source of knowledge and truth, the Person, the Word Who became human, was glorified and dispenses truth as He pleases.

This has been life changing. I have been transformed more and more into the likeness of the Divine Father and possess the character of the Creators over these last few years.

Oh, you are one of those guys who hear voices eh? (Just like me!). This stuff is very real and that's why I try to share it with others.

It has been life changing for me too.
I learned one thing about it over time...the more secular entertainment that I watch, the harder it is to hear the still small voice of God. Ask me how I know, sheesh!

I've even had well intentioned Brothers & Sisters warn me that these may be some sort of evil spirit which will feed me lies. Lol!
The Lord talks about that in scripture. Something about, if you knowing how to give good gifts to your son, then how much moreso God? And who who would give their son a serpent when He asked for a fish? (Hint: Not God!)

People want to be accepted and respected, it's a natural inclination. So not a lot of people who can hear God's voice say they can, because of the fear of rejection. One time I said God said this to me...and that was not well received by others. Because it came across sorta like, Thus sayeth the Lord...but I could not let myself be offended at the comments like that that I received from people. Like I was trying to say that I am some special man of God or something, which isnt true. But...so what? I'm not asking for donations so who cares if some dont get it or believe me. So they dont believe me. Eh. Others who do have ears to hear may receive encouragment from my words/

Jesus never did anything on earth that He didnt hear or see the Father do. So Jesus was walking under an open Heaven! How cool would that be? I'm not there yet but I believe it is very possible, and it's backed up by scripture.

 

[bro.tan]

With the death of Queen Elizabeth I, Prince James VI of Scotland became King James I of England. The Protestant clergy approached the new King in 1604 and announced their desire for a new translation to replace the Bishop's Bible first printed in 1568. They knew that the Geneva Version had won the hearts of the people because of its excellent scholarship, accuracy, and exhaustive commentary. However, they did not want the controversial marginal notes (proclaiming the Pope an Anti-Christ, etc.) Essentially, the leaders of the church desired a Bible for the people, with scriptural references only for word clarification or cross-references.

This "translation to end all translations" (for a while at least) was the result of the combined effort of about fifty scholars. They took into consideration: The Tyndale New Testament, The Coverdale Bible, The Matthews Bible, The Great Bible, The Geneva Bible, and even the Rheims New Testament. The great revision of the Bishop's Bible had begun. From 1605 to 1606 the scholars engaged in private research. From 1607 to 1609 the work was assembled. In 1610 the work went to press, and in 1611 the first of the huge (16 inch tall) pulpit folios known today as "The 1611 King James Bible" came off the printing press.

With all the different Bible translations we have floating around today, it seems a hard task to choose the most accurate one. You might even question the fact of there being an accurate account of the Bible, aside from the original Hebrew Scrolls. Much of this confusion has come about because many modern day religious translators have attempted to interpret the Bible, instead of merely translating it. Therefore, when they translate the Bible they add, change or delete certain words to make it confirm to their religious doctrine. God was aware that this would happen and had John write, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophesy,

God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19).

When King James had the Bible translated he appointed 54 scholars to do the work instead of religious people. This made it possible for him to change the form, from Hebrew and Greek to English, without changing the meaning. In other words he made the Bible say the exact same thing, only in another language. This in itself was a fulfillment of prophecy, "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). The Lord knew that his people would not always remain in their own land, speaking Hebrew, so he had Isaiah to prophesy that he would have his word put into other languages.

 

[One 2 question]

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophesy,

God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19).

John was refering to his scroll, this individual scroll of this prophesy hey.

So some have even tried to add to John's writings to ADD not only words but whole scrolls to his specific scroll.

You are right. We don't want to do that. The consequences are massive. Some added 72 other scrolls to his. Then they took them away. Some added 65 scrolls to John's then some people removed 65 books from John's.

Today most Chritians accept the adding to John's original scroll and refer to it as the bible. Not a good idea, according to John.

Then as you said, even if they were to accept John's book as a stand alone book, many if not most add to it and call it an exposition of writings. We know it's an interpretation of what John saw, heard and expressed.

 

[bro.tan]

John was refering to his scroll, this individual scroll of this prophesy hey.

So some have even tried to add to John's writings to ADD not only words but whole scrolls to his specific scroll.

You are right. We don't want to do that. The consequences are massive. Some added 72 other scrolls to his. Then they took them away. Some added 65 scrolls to John's then some people removed 65 books from John's.

Today most Chritians accept the adding to John's original scroll and refer to it as the bible. Not a good idea, according to John.

Then as you said, even if they were to accept John's book as a stand alone book, many if not most add to it and call it an exposition of writings. We know it's an interpretation of what John saw, heard and expressed.

I don't believe so, John was quoting scripture and this is referring to the whole Bible, the word of God. Let's go in Deuteronomy 4: 1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. 2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

 

[One 2 question]

I don't believe so, John was quoting scripture and this is referring to the whole Bible, the word of God.

I thought people on this forum believe Jesus was and still is the Word of God. I may have misunderstood your statement, 'the whole bible, the word of God.'

Let's go in Deuteronomy 4: 1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. 2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

So did the God of Moses give him commandments to give specifically to 'O Israel' or was it to every human, or maybe just those who went into Canaan to possess it, be it Egypians or Indians or any other invading army?
Deu 4:5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

 

[bro.tan]

I thought people on this forum believe Jesus was and still is the Word of God. I may have misunderstood your statement, 'the whole bible, the word of God.'

But you said,"John was refering to his scroll, this individual scroll of this prophesy hey. So some have even tried to add to John's writings to ADD not only words but whole scrolls to his specific scroll." That I said the whole Bible, not just John writing.

So did the God of Moses give him commandments to give specifically to 'O Israel' or was it to every human, or maybe just those who went into Canaan to possess it, be it Egypians or Indians or any other invading army?
Deu 4:5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

The book say in Exodus12: 43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: there shall no stranger eat thereof: 44 but every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. 45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

So how does a non Israelite do this today, come under the blood of Jesus. Let's go into Acts 2: 8 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Then let's see Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6: 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[One 2 question]

But you said,"John was refering to his scroll, this individual scroll of this prophesy hey. So some have even tried to add to John's writings to ADD not only words but whole scrolls to his specific scroll." That I said the whole Bible, not just John writing.

ok. So the Word of God is a Person not a book. Some foolishly have replaced the Person with a thing. This thing became an idol to me for decades. I had to remove it as a go between me and my Father in heaven. Now i just go to the Word of God Himself. I haven't returned to the bible (idol) for years. Jesus has continued to teach me new truths about His Father and is transforming me to become more like Him.

This has proved to me that I need the Spirit of the Word of God within me to teach and transform me. I had tried to do this with absolute devotion to the bible but we (the bible and I) failed. But since building a personal relationship with the Spirit of Christ we (the Spirit and I) have succeeded in knowing truth and living out that truth. And more than this, we have established an intimate relationship.

He has become like a Divine carpet (Aladdin's magic carpet) which I choose each morning to hop on and ride through each day. I am being carried along and led by this Divine Being. This is amazing. He is amazing. Though sometimes I find myself hopping off Him and before long I'm experiencing stress, anxiety and feeling burdened. This is when I repent, turn and get back onto Him. Peace and joy returns fairly quickly and we get on with our day together.

The book say in Exodus12: 43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: there shall no stranger eat thereof: 44 but every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. 45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

So how does a non Israelite do this today, come under the blood of Jesus. Let's go into Acts 2: 8 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Then let's see Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6: 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Yes, we have received the Gift, the Person, the Holy Ghost. Again, He is the amazing Gift Who leads us (into all truth), us who are children of the Father in heaven. In this life it's all about God's Gift and us exploring Him. This includes us (the Gift & I) exploring the wonders of God's will for me. We have been getting better acquainted with eachother as we embark on this journey together day after day. I would recommend this to anyone who is willing to die to their own self desires, plans, hope, dreams, goals and to ride their life on the Gift, the Divine Carpet.

 

[Rockerduck]

With the death of Queen Elizabeth I, Prince James VI of Scotland became King James I of England. The Protestant clergy approached the new King in 1604 and announced their desire for a new translation to replace the Bishop's Bible first printed in 1568. They knew that the Geneva Version had won the hearts of the people because of its excellent scholarship, accuracy, and exhaustive commentary. However, they did not want the controversial marginal notes (proclaiming the Pope an Anti-Christ, etc.) Essentially, the leaders of the church desired a Bible for the people, with scriptural references only for word clarification or cross-references.

This "translation to end all translations" (for a while at least) was the result of the combined effort of about fifty scholars. They took into consideration: The Tyndale New Testament, The Coverdale Bible, The Matthews Bible, The Great Bible, The Geneva Bible, and even the Rheims New Testament. The great revision of the Bishop's Bible had begun. From 1605 to 1606 the scholars engaged in private research. From 1607 to 1609 the work was assembled. In 1610 the work went to press, and in 1611 the first of the huge (16 inch tall) pulpit folios known today as "The 1611 King James Bible" came off the printing press.

With all the different Bible translations we have floating around today, it seems a hard task to choose the most accurate one. You might even question the fact of there being an accurate account of the Bible, aside from the original Hebrew Scrolls. Much of this confusion has come about because many modern day religious translators have attempted to interpret the Bible, instead of merely translating it. Therefore, when they translate the Bible they add, change or delete certain words to make it confirm to their religious doctrine. God was aware that this would happen and had John write, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophesy,

God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19).

When King James had the Bible translated he appointed 54 scholars to do the work instead of religious people. This made it possible for him to change the form, from Hebrew and Greek to English, without changing the meaning. In other words he made the Bible say the exact same thing, only in another language. This in itself was a fulfillment of prophecy, "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). The Lord knew that his people would not always remain in their own land, speaking Hebrew, so he had Isaiah to prophesy that he would have his word put into other languages.

King James agreed to a new bible, not a translation. He disliked the Geneva bible. It was Tyndale and Matthew that they copied from. Essentially all the bibles said the same thing. King James wanted it "refined" without commentaries.

 

[Rockerduck]

I have owned and still possess every translation I can find to read it all the way through. All modern translations use the critical text and lack the continuity of the KJV all the way through. As far as I'm concerned, The KJV is the bible and all others are translations. All translations use the same order of the 66 books and the same chapter and verse numbers created by the KJV. All translations are for profit too and try to be all things to all people. I have also found that even the translations that claim "word for word" are not. Even the MEV which claims it is Textus Receptus is not.

 

[One 2 question]

I have owned and still possess every translation I can find to read it all the way through. All modern translations use the critical text and lack the continuity of the KJV all the way through. As far as I'm concerned, The KJV is the bible and all others are translations. All translations use the same order of the 66 books and the same chapter and verse numbers created by the KJV. All translations are for profit too and try to be all things to all people. I have also found that even the translations that claim "word for word" are not. Even the MEV which claims it is Textus Receptus is not.

If we zoom out from the bibles, which ever one deems to be the best and most accurate we have the problem with interpretation.
Like with the scriptures in Jesus's day. It spoke of the coming Christ in the original text and language. They had the best and original Messiah with them but those who studied the scriptures about Him interpreted it so that they disqualified and rejected the actual Christ, thir actual Messiah. How could this be?

So the scriptures is not really the issue. It's how it is interpreted.

 

[Rockerduck]

If we zoom out from the bibles, which ever one deems to be the best and most accurate we have the problem with interpretation.
Like with the scriptures in Jesus's day. It spoke of the coming Christ in the original text and language. They had the best and original Messiah with them but those who studied the scriptures about Him interpreted it so that they disqualified and rejected the actual Christ, thir actual Messiah. How could this be?

So the scriptures is not really the issue. It's how it is interpreted.

Always study and let the Holy Spirit interpret.

 

[One 2 question]

Always study and let the Holy Spirit interpret.

Personally I haven't studied the bible for years but have been taught of the Holy Spirit. I haven't listened to human teachers for years either but am taught by the Holy Spirit.

For the more mature in Christ will dream dreams. The younger ones will see vision. This is awesome! I love seeing visions and having parables downloaded via the Spirit of Christ.

 

[Rockerduck]

Personally I haven't studied the bible for years but have been taught of the Holy Spirit. I haven't listened to human teachers for years either but am taught by the Holy Spirit.

For the more mature in Christ will dream dreams. The younger ones will see vision. This is awesome! I love seeing visions and having parables downloaded via the Spirit of Christ.

I have visions and dreams, and the Holy Spirit talks to me. I studied to show myself approved, then a few months ago, in a vision, the Holy Spirit said I'm not to use study bibles, or commentaries anymore, as He will guide me. As a missionary in life and have to have knowledge of the word of God to combat the demons of this world. I recognize demons in people now. The Devil is always looking for a crack in your faith to take advantage of, and he will. Before you know it, you'll be in a situation and ask yourself "how did this happen".

 

[bro.tan]

I thought people on this forum believe Jesus was and still is the Word of God. I may have misunderstood your statement, 'the whole bible, the word of God.'

So did the God of Moses give him commandments to give specifically to 'O Israel' or was it to every human, or maybe just those who went into Canaan to possess it, be it Egypians or Indians or any other invading army?

For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

So the Israelites was to teach the rest of the sons of Adam the word of God, which includes the Lord's Commandments, Statues and Judgements. They are and still is a Kingdom of priest. But they are still in captivity to this day.

Deu 4:5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

 

[One 2 question]

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I have visions and dreams, and the Holy Spirit talks to me. I studied to show myself approved, then a few months ago, in a vision, the Holy Spirit said I'm not to use study bibles, or commentaries anymore, as He will guide me. As a missionary in life and have to have knowledge of the word of God to combat the demons of this world. I recognize demons in people now. The Devil is always looking for a crack in your faith to take advantage of, and he will. Before you know it, you'll be in a situation and ask yourself "how did this happen".

I appreciate the role Satan plays as the tempter. He is great at drawing out and exposing my flaws.

I appreciate the role of the indwelling Spirit even more as the Restorer. He is great at removing my flaws and replacing them with Divinity. His process of bringing about transformation is incredible. It is so unique, tailoring it to each individual.

Yes the Spirit does lead us into temptation as He did Jesus, to be tempted by the tempter. Yet I find it comforting to know that whatever my response the Spirit uses it as part of His work of transformation. The process of sanctification is designed by my Father and is carried out by His Spirit so I can one day be presented to Jesus as part of His Bride. Now that's awesome.

 

[Taken]

Some of the language in the KJV is outdated.

My 2 cents.

Rather than saying the language is outdated, I would say the language usage and meaning is not taught.

Today people use words in conversation with complete strangers that completely Opposite meanings and completely Different meaning…lending to a confounded conversation.

Common use language….for something someone really likes…examples..
Radical, rad, cool, hot, sweet, sick…

How about…Jesus is holy…or “ya man Jesus is sick”….

I know that is extreme, but all things begin and increase little by little….

Just saying….

Didn’t think a few decades ago, public schools would be teaching boys can be girls and girls can be boys and governments passing laws to allow school administrators to secretly (hide from parents) such teaching and even removing children from their parents to perform gender changing procedures… Ghastly.


God bless you

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

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I appreciate the role Satan plays as the tempter. He is great at drawing out and exposing my flaws.

I appreciate the role of the indwelling Spirit even more as the Restorer. He is great at removing my flaws and replacing them with Divinity. His process of bringing about transformation is incredible. It is so unique, tailoring it to each individual.

Yes the Spirit does lead us into temptation as He did Jesus, to be tempted by the tempter. Yet I find it comforting to know that whatever my response the Spirit uses it as part of His work of transformation. The process of sanctification is designed by my Father and is carried out by His Spirit so I can one day be presented to Jesus as part of His Bride. Now that's awesome.

TEMPT is one of those weird words…
A tempter tempts another.
The other is called tempted, (wether of not the other ACTS on the temptation!)
Another who IS TEMPTED by a TEMPTER…
Can fall FOR the temptation,
Or
REJECT the temptation…
(Still the other has been TEMPTED)….

WHICH for a great deal of people….they automatically Presume…a person who IS TEMPTED….actually means, they pause and “CONSIDER” what the tempter is suggesting…(which is false)…

Jesus was TEMPTED…by the Tempter Satan.
Jesus neither paused, thought about it, considered Satan’s suggestive temptation…
But rather immediately REJECTED Satan’s temptations.

In most cases, a person who says they were “TEMPTED” to do this or that….literally CONSIDERED doing this or that…”THEN” chose not to.

weird connotation of some words…

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken