Some key points pertaining to the parable per Luke 19:11-27.

[face2face]

2:12 saying, “I will proclaim your name to my brothers; in the midst of the assembly I will praise you.” 2:13 Again he says, “I will be confident in him,” and again, “Here I am, with the children God has given me.” Heb 2:11–13.

This is a great day Indiana - when Christ sits on Davids throne and His People crown him as their King!

Crowned in Heaven - Yes!
Crowned on Earth - Not Yet!

F2F

 

[IndianaRob]

2:12 saying, “I will proclaim your name to my brothers; in the midst of the assembly I will praise you.” 2:13 Again he says, “I will be confident in him,” and again, “Here I am, with the children God has given me.” Heb 2:11–13.

This is a great day Indiana - when Christ sits on Davids throne and His People crown him as their King!

Crowned in Heaven - Yes!
Crowned on Earth - Not Yet!

F2F

I hear ya F2F.

 

[face2face]

I hear ya F2F.

It's okay to have the Kingdom (Christ) in your heart, and live as though the Kingdom has come. But if we are technical about it...we occupy (labour in his service) till he come.

F2F

 

[IndianaRob]

It's okay to have the Kingdom (Christ) in your heart, and live as though the Kingdom has come. But if we are technical about it...we occupy (labour in his service) till he come.

F2F

What’s your opinion on Ezekiel’s temple in the millennial kingdom? Is that temple a literal temple where animal sacrifices will begin again or is it using earthly terms to explain the spiritual kingdom of God on earth?

 

[tailgator]

You seem to have trouble in understanding my post. This is what I had posted: -


Let me simplify my statement for you: -


Goodbye

Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.


The kingdom the nobleman receives is people.
What do you believe a kingdom is,an empty parking lot?

Goodbye

 

[face2face]

What’s your opinion on Ezekiel’s temple in the millennial kingdom? Is that temple a literal temple where animal sacrifices will begin again or is it using earthly terms to explain the spiritual kingdom of God on earth?

It's a question I have oscillated between over the years to be honest.

Can God give 8 chapters of extraordinary detail with highly symbolic language, for nothing?

The God I know, doesn't fail, and His Word goes forth and accomplishes what He sets out to do.

I've studied those 8 chapters for many years and built an amazing vision of that Temple, which dimensions rival structures today.

If it is built, what a location and building to have the Saints worship and enjoy fellowship in.

In relation to the sacrifices: I can see how it could be instituted, and I can also see how it will not be necessary.

You know me, and when I believe something to be absolutely true I will push hard to prove it but this I cannot.

However, will there be a Temple - yes
Will there be subjects to rule over - yes
Will Nations bring offerings year on year to the King - absolutely

F2F

 

[tailgator]

Of course not all I’m taking about the Jewish nation which are still waiting today and have missed the blessing of the last two thousand years

The nation of Israel which comes out of their graves at Christs coming did not miss the blessing.

 

[IndianaRob]

It's a question I have oscillated between over the years to be honest.

Can God give 8 chapters of extraordinary detail with highly symbolic language, for nothing?

The God I know, doesn't fail, and His Word goes forth and accomplishes what He sets out to do.

I've studied those 8 chapters for many years and built an amazing vision of that Temple, which dimensions rival structures today.

If it is built, what a location and building to have the Saints worship and enjoy fellowship in.

In relation to the sacrifices: I can see how it could be instituted, and I can also see how it will not be necessary.

You know me, and when I believe something to be absolutely true I will push hard to prove it but this I cannot.

However, will there be a Temple - yes
Will there be subjects to rule over - yes
Will Nations bring offerings year on year to the King - absolutely

F2F

Do you believe there are any prophecies in the Old Testament that depict the spiritual kingdom of God that Jesus brought in?

 

[face2face]

Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.


The kingdom the nobleman receives is people.
What do you believe a kingdom is,an empty parking lot?

Goodbye

The OT example of Christ going away is simliar to Moses who went up to Sinai to receive the pattern of the Tabernacle Ex 24:14-18

Can you forsee the example?

F2F

 

[face2face]

Do you believe there are any prophecies in the Old Testament that depict the spiritual kingdom of God that Jesus brought in?

Plenty that speak to a literal Kingdom which is Spiritual in its formation.

There is only one tree Indiana to be grafted into!

F2F

 

[tailgator]

Those verses are about heavenly Jerusalem and I should’ve know that was coming so I’ll re-ask the question like this.

Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said his kingdom would be an earthly physical kingdom?

I already have many times.
The land which is upon earth where the mountains of Israel are is the same land where their fathers lived.

You act like you don't know where the land of Israel is .Don't act dumb.

Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.



New Jerusalem does not come down from heaven till after fire comes down and destroys Gog which n Ezekiel 38.
Ezekiel 40- describes heavenly Jerusalem upon earth with the river of the water of life flowing down to the dead sea.

 

[IndianaRob]

I already have many times.
The land which is upon earth where the mountains of Israel are is the same land where their fathers lived.

You act like you don't know where the land of Israel is .Don't act dumb.

Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.



New Jerusalem does not come down from heaven till after fire comes down and destroys Gog which n Ezekiel 38.
Ezekiel 40- describes heavenly Jerusalem upon earth with the river of the water of life flowing down to the dead sea.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[face2face]

I respectfully disagree.

What do you disagree with?

 

[tailgator]

I respectfully disagree.

You can disagree all you want but I've read of the kingdom of heaven upon earth many many times.

Jesus said many will come from the east and the west,and will take their places in the kingdom of heaven.I will be traveling east .There will be others who will travel west to go to the kingdom of heaven.



"many will come from the east and the west"

Mathew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.


Which way do you need to go to get to the kingdom of heaven ,east or west?

 

[IndianaRob]

What do you disagree with?

All of it lol.

 

[face2face]

All of it lol.

So how do you see Ezekiel 37 fulfilled?

 

[IndianaRob]

So how do you see Ezekiel 37 fulfilled?

I’m working and and doing this at the same time so I can’t elaborate the way I would like to. Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled here.

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.


Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;


Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,


Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[face2face]

I’m working and and doing this at the same time so I can’t elaborate the way I would like to. Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled here.

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.


Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;


Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,


Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

When you have time I'll show you when and how it will be fulfilled.
Come back to it later if you want
F2F

 

[Davidpt]

What do you mean "some"?

Some doesn't mean all, therefore, only some Amils believe that, not all Amils do. I have heard numerous Amils reject that literal interpretation over the years. Granted, some of them are Preterists, not full Preterists though, at least not as far as I could tell. And that they claimed to be Amil since they agree with Amil that the thousand years are meaning now.

 

[Davidpt]

I’m working and and doing this at the same time so I can’t elaborate the way I would like to. Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled here.

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.


Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;


Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,


Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

In your opinion then, the missing details pertaining to those coming out of their graves after Christ's resurrection aren't missing after all, they are found in Ezekiel 37? If so, I find that interesting though I don't interpret it like that myself.

As to me, the way I interpret that chapter is that there was an exile in 70 AD. Every exile that happened before that, there was always a return eventually. Where then is the return recorded involving the exile that occurred in 70 AD? Why not Ezekiel 37? Then when we get to Ezekiel 38 they are already back in their land. When they are back in their land per ch 38 that couldn't possibly be meaning before 70 AD but has to be meaning post 70 AD. Keeping in mind that post 70 AD can mean a cpl thousand years later.