Some key points pertaining to the parable per Luke 19:11-27.

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tailgator

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Can you show me one verse in the Bible that says the kingdom of God would ever be a physical earthly kingdom that you can see?
Genesis 13
14 And the Lord said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.




God promised Abraham and his seed(Christ)the land which Abraham could see.
This land Abraham was promised forever Not for the few years he remained in it till he was buried in it.He was promised this land forever .Here in Mathew 8:11,Abraham is in that land having a feast.


"many will come from the east and the west"

Mathew ,8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.


Now ,the shortest trip for me to arrive in this kingdom of heaven where Abraham is ,is to travel east.Other people who live east of the kingdom of heaven will need to travel west if they are to take their places.


Which direction will you have to travel ,east or west as Jesus said?
 
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So these verses are about Jesus bringing in the kingdom of God at his resurrection, but in the futurist view who are these evil servants and who are their fellow servants?

Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The verses I posted are not about Jesus resurection.Jesus does not recieve his kingdom till he comes.When he does,everyone in his kingdom who offends are cast out.He recieves his kingdom at the sound of the 7th Trump as I quoted already


Mathew 13
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
 
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So these verses are about Jesus bringing in the kingdom of God at his resurrection, but in the futurist view who are these evil servants and who are their fellow servants?

Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

It's called 'not once saved always saved'. That's one thing verse 49 pertains to, not what you take it to be involving. It isn't even remotely meaning His resurrection. From what I can tell, unless I overlooked something, there appears to be nothing in all of the Discourse from start to finish that is involving a period of time prior to His ascension.

All of it is meaning from the time of His ascension through the time of His return, and some of it meaning after He has returned, such as the sheep and goats judgment recorded in Matthew 25. Meaning in regards to what Jesus prophesied would take place.

Obviously, Jesus prophesied about those events prior to His ascension, but that is not the same thing as when they are fulfilled. When they are fulfilled, it is meaning after He ascended, and some of it meaning when He returns and what He does after He returns.
 
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Jay Ross

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The problem with your interpretation is this. Let's assume for a moment that the one's entrusted with the pounds, that that is who the nobleman is meaning. Unless you haven't noticed, not all of them did what the wicked servant did. Assuming the nobleman is meaning one of these servants, though I obviously disagree, yet for the sake of argument, let's say I agreed. Why then does the nobleman have to be meaning the wicked servant?

Why can't the nobleman mean the servants that weren't wicked? I'm just trying to figure out your mindset here why you have the nobleman meaning the wicked servant rather than the servants that aren't wicked. Per your view of things why can't it be meaning them instead? It's not like there is only the wicked servant in that parable. That parable also involves servants that are not wicked. Why are you not factoring that in?

The problem with your understanding is that Satan has a plan to empower his servants with money/talents, because in Jesus' day talents had a monetary value depending on its weight and metal that it was made of. Jesus told a parable, while going from Jericho up to Bethany, which foretold Satan's plan while being imprisoned for many days after he is judged in heaven at the same time that the Kings of the earth will be judged on the face of the earth at a place called Armageddon. In this parable Jesus alludes to the fact that the Israelites who were servants of Satan, at the end of the sixth age of mankind no longer Satan to rule over them 9(Luke 19:14: - But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’" These servants were Israelite. Then when Satan returned, he gave this commandment: - Luke 19:27: - "But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’

This perspective of the journey of the Israelites agrees with what we can learn from scriptures likes Rev 12:13-17: -

Rev 12:13-17: - 13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.​
15 Then from the mouth of the serpent spewed water like a river to overtake the woman and sweep her away in the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth to swallow up the river that had poured from the dragon’s mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.​
And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.​

Jesus on the other hand empowered his disciples, that includes followers of Jesus today, with the Holy Spirit to spread the Gospel message to the four corners of the earth until the end of the last age.

This difference in understanding how Satan will work to oppose the establishment of God's Everlasting Kingdom and Christs empowerment of His disciples with the Holy Spirit to bring salvation so that people can be a part of God's Everlasting Kingdom should be enough for you to realise that your understanding of this parable is so very wrong.

Goodbye
 

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The nobleman is not a servant. The servants he gives money to were his servants. When that nobleman returns from his long journey, his servants had better be prepared.

You seem to have trouble in understanding my post. This is what I had posted: -
Like, where do you, as the author of this post, get your understanding that the nobleman who went away into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom before he returns is Jesus. This parable state that the nobleman is not entitled to the harvest of Souls, but you are alluding to the fact that he is because you are telling us that he is Jesus whereas in fact the nobleman is Satan, and that this nobleman is obviously not Jesus

Let me simplify my statement for you: -
Like, where do you, get your understanding that this parable is about Jesus. This parable states that the nobleman is not entitled to the harvest of Souls, but you are alluding to the fact that he is because you are telling us that he is Jesus whereas in fact the nobleman is Satan, and this nobleman is obviously not Jesus

Goodbye
 

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This parable state that the nobleman is not entitled to the harvest of Souls but you are alluding to the fact that he is because you are telling us that he is Jesus whereas in fact the nobleman is Satan and this nobleman is obviously not Jesus
You are assuming the wicked servant told the truth.
 

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Not all Jews missed their God and Messiah.If they had,you would have never heard any of the gospel.

Fact is,a few Jews who we call apostles believed in a literal kingdom and wanted to be in that kingdom.Some even wanted to rule in that kingdom and stated as much.

You might not believe in that kingdom as many unbelieving jews .But the Jews who believed suffered persecution and death for that kingdom.

They did not die in vain. They will receive their reward.
Of course not all I’m taking about the Jewish nation which are still waiting today and have missed the blessing of the last two thousand years
 

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You are assuming the wicked servant told the truth.

The parable that Jesus told, clearly states that the "Wicked Servant" had told the truth because the noble man agreed with the claims that the "Wicked Servant' made.
 

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A belief in a literal kingdom is the reason that the Jews missed their God and Messiah and this same reason is why a lot of the church are still missing it today


Nope. They believed the kingdom and rule would happen when the Messiah appeared but they were wrong. Their beliefs are similar to Amill which claims the Millennial rule is now but it isn't. Both believing the King would be ruling but that belief was wrong then and remains wrong now. A physical kingdom is real and even Amill believes in an eventual physical kingdom.
 
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Can you show me one verse in the Bible that says the kingdom of God would ever be a physical earthly kingdom that you can see?


John saw a physical kingdom in his visions. Christ also confirmed a physical kingdom where wine would exist and people drinking it.

Mar_14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luk_22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
 
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Are you capable of seeing the land of Israel?

Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.



Are you able to see any kingdom under heaven or can you only see kingdoms floating in the clouds?



Daniel 7
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Those verses are about heavenly Jerusalem and I should’ve know that was coming so I’ll re-ask the question like this.

Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said his kingdom would be an earthly physical kingdom?
 

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John saw a physical kingdom in his visions. Christ also confirmed a physical kingdom where wine would exist and people drinking it.

Mar_14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luk_22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
When was the next time Jesus drank from the fruit of the vine?

Jhn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 
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A belief in a literal kingdom is the reason that the Jews missed their God and Messiah and this same reason is why a lot of the church are still missing it today
I disagree. Belief in a literal kingdom was the reason why Peter, Andrew and others followed Jesus.
 

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Can you show me one verse in the Bible that says the kingdom of God would ever be a physical earthly kingdom that you can see?
Indiana, just to be clear you don't believe in a literal Kingdom of God on Earth?
 

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But our citizenship is in heaven—and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 3:21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself. Php 3:20–21.

Who in this thread can read carefully?
 

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“But woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You keep locking people out of the kingdom of heaven! Mt 23:13.

What Kingdom?
Of Heaven NOT in Heaven!

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Indiana, just to be clear you don't believe in a literal Kingdom of God on Earth?
I believe there is a literal kingdom of God on earth, I live in that kingdom right now but it is a kingdom that can not be seen and the earthly kingdom will always be unseen.
 

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22:18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” Lk 22:18.

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I believe there is a literal kingdom of God on earth, I live in that kingdom right now but it is a kingdom that can not be seen and the earthly kingdom will always be unseen.
Not yet Indiana

The fulfillment of certain prophecies still to come!

When you are sitting at the table of your Lord in person, eating and drinking, please let me know!

I want to join you!

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@IndianaRob

I will declare your name to my countrymen! In the middle of the assembly I will praise you! Ps 22:22.

He is in the midst of us unseen for now - but this is yet to come!

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