Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

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● Titus 2:3-5 . . Instruct the older women to be reverent in the way they
live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is
good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and
children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and
to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

Far from teaching younger women to respect their husbands, feminism
teaches girls to stand up to husbands; and rather than be keepers at home,
feminism has them out seeking means to compete with men and break the
so-called glass ceiling; and rather than love their children, feminism has
them dominating their offspring in a socialist home structured with divisions
of labor, command and control, tyranny, and regimentation. Those practices
certainly can never be categorized as honoring the word of God.

At the heart of women's hostility towards men is the drive to resist male seniority.
Yet the very lord and master of Christianity, the supreme male in the universe;
demands death to a woman's self interests, and requires her undivided loyalty to
His administration.

"If you want to be my follower you must love me more than your own father
and mother, wife and children brothers and sisters-- yes, more than your
own life. And you cannot be my disciple if you do take up your own cross
and follow me." (Luke 14:26)

In The Lord's era, crosses were for executions. So when he instructed his
disciples to "take up their own cross" it meant stifling their own way; viz: it
was a call to abandon self interests, and comply with their Master's interests.

"Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies
as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God-- this is your spiritual act of
worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be
transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and
approve what God's will is-- His good, pleasing and perfect will." (Rom 12:12)

Christian marriage and motherhood are not for militant females; no,
marriage and motherhood are for grown-up, mature, emotionally stable
women; and I'm not talking about years of life; no, even some 35 and 40
year-old women often fall short of being grown-up. Their association with
men is on no higher a level now than when they were the 17 year-old, self
absorbed brats they were in high school. Christian women like that seriously
need reform and a good way to begin is by reading, and heeding, the
guidance offered by the three very pertinent books recommended below.

For Women Only
By Shaunti Feldhahn
ISBN 1-59052-317-2

The Proper Care And Feeding Of Husbands
By Dr. Laura Schlessinger
ISBN 0-06-052061-2

What Our Mothers Didn't Tell Us
By Danielle Crittenden
ISBN 0-684-83219-4
ISBN 0-684-85959-9 (paper back)
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[Wynona]

Christian marriage and motherhood are not for militant females; no,
marriage and motherhood are for grown-up, mature, emotionally stable
women; and I'm not talking about years of life; no, even some 35 and 40
year-old women often fall short of being grown-up. Their association with
men is on no higher a level now than when they were the 17 year-old, self
absorbed brats they were in high school. Christian women like that seriously
need reform

Was definitely self absorbed and bratty as a wife in the beginning.

God and His Word is able to grow us up and make us mature. His Word cuts us down but then it heals. The cross kills us but then we live in Christ.

 

[Mink57]

I grew up with animals and love dogs. And if you ever aid you wanted to get a cat, I'd prolly boot you out! Lol!! Cats always stink up the house, bleh.

Good to know! My mom and I were both cat lovers BUT...I haven't had a cat in YEARS. The cutest little dog lives next door and seems to think that my apartment is her other bedroom. She's always under my feet...follows me in the house...sits on the couch and expects her daily belly rubs. After about 15 minutes I send her home. It's a fun interlude.

Fair enough. You were looking for a potential husband, not a Patient! I get that

But it sounds like you hung out your shingle for more patients and you got them every time! What happened there? Those poor dumb scumbag men outsmart you? Now that shouldnt be!

No, no NO! I was NEVER looking for a potential husband! But you're right; it was like I hung out a shingle. Seemed that these men with problems and issues would gravitate toward me. I was a good listener. Empathetic. I had an interest in people, wanting to be helpful.

After how many relationships did you begin looking towards the Bible?

I don't know. I had dabbled with the Bible for a number of years, but I wasn't that serious about it. My last relationship was about 10 years ago. It was an on-again-off-again thing that spanned for 3 years. Then one day I heard from the grape vine that the man was telling people that our relationship was FWB...which I MADE CLEAR UP FRONT I didn't want. I ended it. Swiftly.

And after how many more relationships did you decide that Biblical Patriarchy was not for you? Before or after your 10 year hiatus?

Zero. And I'm still in my hiatus today.

Biblical Patriarchy isn't for me because it's NOT "BIBLICAL".

 

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FAQ: If Eve didn't obtain the so-called fallen nature by means of heredity,
nor by means of the chemistry of the forbidden fruit; then whence?

REPLY: Well; obviously the Serpent did it to her, a.k.a. the Devil. (Rev 20:2)

The ruler of the kingdom of the air-- i.e. the spirit world --has the power of
death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected. (e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, plus
Eph 2:2-3)

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to go into action the moment
that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly his
work takes effect. Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
set to work cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to cover up their
pelvic areas.

The Serpent's work is apparently so binding that it can only be loosed by
Christ's crucifixion.

● Heb 2:14 . . Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their
humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of
death; that is: the Devil.

That is at least one good reason why progressive women need to RSVP God
and take advantage of His son's death to avoid leaving this life under the
Devil's supervision. They've got to get that arrangement dissolved now,
while an opportunity for liberty is on the table.
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[Mink57]

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FAQ: If Eve didn't obtain the so-called fallen nature by means of heredity,
nor by means of the chemistry of the forbidden fruit; then whence?

REPLY: Well; obviously the Serpent did it to her, a.k.a. the Devil. (Rev 20:2)

Riiiight. And Adam gained that same "fallen-nature"...HOW? through Eve?
That's a crock. Adam could have said, "NO." to Eve. Adam heard that whole conversation between Even and the snake.

No excuse for Adam.

The ruler of the kingdom of the air-- i.e. the spirit world --has the power of
death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected. (e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, plus
Eph 2:2-3)

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to go into action the moment
that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly his
work takes effect. Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
set to work cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to cover up their
pelvic areas.

The Serpent's work is apparently so binding that it can only be loosed by
Christ's crucifixion.

● Heb 2:14 . . Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their
humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of
death; that is: the Devil.

That is at least one good reason why progressive women need to RSVP God
and take advantage of His son's death to avoid leaving this life under the
Devil's supervision. They've got to get that arrangement dissolved now,
while an opportunity for liberty is on the table

You keep focusing on what WOMEN need to do, and yet MOST of the Bible is directed at what MEN need to do.

Men seem to forget that.

 

[Wynona]

Biblical Patriarchy isn't for me because it's NOT "BIBLICAL".

Feminism is not biblical.

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Edit: video may not work? Its The End of Marriage on Nick Freitas' channel.

Feminism and Marxism are linked in that the family unit is in the way of their ideology. About 50 minutes into the podcast, Frietas quotes at least seven prominent feminists including Betty Friedan and Shulamith Firestone attacking marriage and family openly in favor of women banning together and raising children collectively and through the state.

Betty Friedan, for example, calls domestic child rearing "slavery". And the home a "concentration camp".

Feminism relies on an oppressor victim class battle narrative that coincides with Marxist principles, not Scripture.

 

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● Gen 3:6 . . She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he
ate it.

The phrase "who was with her" has led some folks to suggest that Adam was
standing right there the whole time observing the entire incident; not saying
a word.

But the phrase could simply mean they were a cohabiting couple at the time,
viz: weren't split up living apart. For example: I've been with my wife 44
years without interruption though we often go our separate ways on errands
and appointments: vacations too, My wife likes to rendezvous with her sister
in the community of Santa Barbara California once a year for a week, viz:
she's been with me all this time, though not always at my side.

The Serpent is portrayed as a highly intelligent creature (Gen 3:1). Well; for
sure he was intuitively aware of the tried and true tactic "Divide and
Conquer" Catching the woman by herself away from her husband's oversight
was a sensible tactic.

The thing is: the Serpent was somehow aware the fruit posed no danger to
the woman; so if he could get her to try it, and she'd see for herself it was
safe to eat, then the Serpent would have the ally he needed to persuade the
man to do something contrary to his better judgment.

But I think Adam was at least cautious at first, and kept a wary eye on his
wife for some time waiting to see if she would get sick; and when she didn't,
he surely had to wonder if maybe he misunderstood God.

I think most husbands would sympathize with Adam. I mean: he was told by
a supposedly competent source that the forbidden tree was unfit for human
consumption. But here's your naked wife happily munching away and she's
still healthy, lucid, and exhibiting no ill side effects. How is a rational man
supposed to argue with empirical evidence as good as that?

FAQ: Their creator must've been observing that scene. Why didn't He step in
and prevent Adam from falling?

REPLY: Well; I hate to say it: but I rather suspect that God not only
anticipated Adam's fall; but was actually counting on it. (cf. Job 1:10-12 &
Job 2:4-7)
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I rather suspect that God not only anticipated Adam's fall; but was actually counting on it.

FAQ: How could anybody in a right mind ever suspect such a thing of the
supreme being?

REPLY: Jesus was designated, and scheduled, for the cross prior to Adam's
existence (1Pet 1:18-20 & Rev 13:8) In other words: the cross wasn't like
sending emergency responders out to an unexpected train wreck.
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[Wynona]

Seven Bible passages I never heard preached on addressing women...

1. 1 Timothy 5:14 KJV

I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

2. Proverbs 14:1

14 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

3. 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 KJV

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

4. 1 Corinthians 11:3-6

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

5. 1 Timothy 2:9-15

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.


11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.


14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.


15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

6. Genesis 2:18 KJV

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him

7. 1 Corinthians 7:4-5

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

 

[MA2444]

Seven Bible passages I never heard preached on addressing women...

1. 1 Timothy 5:14 KJV

I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

2. Proverbs 14:1

14 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

3. 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 KJV

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

4. 1 Corinthians 11:3-6

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

5. 1 Timothy 2:9-15

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.


11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.


14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.


15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

6. Genesis 2:18 KJV

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him

7. 1 Corinthians 7:4-5

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

You missed one, lol.

1 Corinthians 11:10-12
10 For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.[a]

11 But among the Lord’s people, women are not independent of men, and men are not independent of women.
12 For although the first woman came from man, every other man was born from a woman, and everything comes from God..../NLT

 

[Wynona]

You missed one, lol.

1 Corinthians 11:10-12
10 For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.[a]

11 But among the Lord’s people, women are not independent of men, and men are not independent of women.
12 For although the first woman came from man, every other man was born from a woman, and everything comes from God..../NLT

Limiting myself to seven was hard. I collected at least 75 in a note document.

 

[MA2444]

Limiting myself to seven was hard. I collected at least 75 in a note document.

I wondered about that as soon as I clicked, lol. Prolly a lot more!

But generally speaking, we are supposed to put on the mind of Christ and emulate His entire life, right?

So if a woman drifts from the word of God and holds even a certain amount of independance from her Husband (for whatever reason) then...she has turned her back on the Lord?

Maybe she has a good reason, he abuses her and hurts her. No one would say stay with him. But we have to ask the question at that point...

What would Jesus do? They abused Him and He had compassin on them and prayed for them. So shouldnt the woman who was abused also do the same? Not because she loves the man but because she loves the Lord.

I think there are three keys to a relationship with the Lord. Poverty/chastity/ Obediance.

I think that's right.

 

[MA2444]

1 Peter 4:
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy....
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator..../KJV

Now women may not be crucified and stuff nowadays, but abuse is real and is a fiery trial and a suffering. And if a woman endures the suffering in the Obediance of Christ and glorifies God on God's behalf...there are rewards for that in Heaven!


It may be a slightly different context in the passage but the Sprirtual principle id the same, right? I think it is.

 

[Wynona]

What would Jesus do? They abused Him and He had compassin on them and prayed for them. So shouldnt the woman who was abused also do the same? Not because she loves the man but because she loves the Lord.

A woman can certainly choose to do that. Ive heard of a woman doing that. I'm not sure if I could advise a woman in that situation. But divorce is an option. I just don't believe she has the option to remarry. She is to remain alone or be reconciled to her husband. Same if genders are reversed.

 

[MA2444]

A woman can certainly choose to do that. Ive heard of a woman doing that. I'm not sure if I could advise a woman in that situation. But divorce is an option. I just don't believe she has the option to remarry. She is to remain alone or be reconciled to her husband. Same if genders are reversed.

Agreed. I know one also!

 

[Wrangler]

This has been a fascinating thread of contrasts. One women has triumphed over feminism and is happily married. One women remains trapped by the evil allure, and miserably and contemptuously bashes every relationship she's ever had with a man while being a feminist apologist.

This vid is so telling. The last woman has a potty mouth but is aware of her contradictions. She too remains trapped by the evil feminist ideology's allure.

 

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You keep focusing on what WOMEN need to do, and yet MOST of the Bible is directed at
what MEN need to do.

I'm pretty much restricted to women lest I be scolded for drifting off-topic.
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[Wynona]

1 Peter 4:
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy....
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator..../KJV

Now women may not be crucified and stuff nowadays, but abuse is real and is a fiery trial and a suffering. And if a woman endures the suffering in the Obediance of Christ and glorifies God on God's behalf...there are rewards for that in Heaven!


It may be a slightly different context in the passage but the Sprirtual principle id the same, right? I think it is.

I think I understand what you mean. I do love this passage. If a woman endures abuse in a marriage because of Christ, many will say that is unwise and foolish. But it is her choice. And I know of a woman who won her husband to Christ this way.

 

[Wynona]

This has been a fascinating thread of contrasts. One women has triumphed over feminism and is happily married. One women remains trapped by the evil allure, and miserably and contemptuously bashes every relationship she's ever had with a man while being a feminist apologist.

This vid is so telling. The last woman has a potty mouth but is aware of her contradictions. She too remains trapped by the evil feminist ideology's allure.

My generation has such a sense of hopelessness for love and relationships. Gen Z is having a tough time

 

[MA2444]

I think I understand what you mean. I do love this passage. If a woman endures abuse in a marriage because of Christ, many will say that is unwise and foolish. But it is her choice. And I know of a woman who won her husband to Christ this way.

That lady I know who stays with her husband for Christ is praying the same thing for him. She said, he'll either come to Christ soon or my reward will be bigger! Lol. At least she kept her sense of humor.