Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

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I definitely did not shift my mindset to confident homemaker of purpose overnight. I remember feeling guilty for leaving work. I was really bothered by my husband's coworker when she said I wasn't pulling my weight.

Later I found out she was unsuccessfully trying to sleep with my husband but her comment hurt at the time.

I initially tried to do so many tasks that my husband told me the whole point of me being a housewife was so that I could take things easier and help him relax when he got home or it wasn't worth it.
 

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my conclusion is that wives make resentful breadwinners most of the time.
Thank you for your honesty. I figured something like that was the case.

The reason for the resentment is that feminist ideology is wrong; it does not match up to reality. Women do not naturally want equality with men, they want to be with a man who is better than them, particularly when it comes to providing resources. This is called hypergamy.

And there is nothing wrong with men and women having preferences. @Mink57's obsessesion with some v all, not withstanding, there are general rules, general truths. And this is one. Men have preferences too, like the I have a headache excuse is not invoked and it is not misogyny. The ancient contract is that both sexes make sacrifices for what they desire. Men sacrifice their excess labor capacity in exchange for exclusive access to a woman's reproducitve capacity. Feminists want men to materially sacrifice will not sacrificing themselves. Rather than an exchange of value, feminism pursues a gyno-centric arrangement that is ultimately self-defeating because there is value in the sacrifice. Recognizing all this is how to triumph over feminism.
 

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I initially tried to do so many tasks that my husband told me the whole point of me being a housewife was so that I could take things easier and help him relax when he got home or it wasn't worth it.
Agreed, 100%.

Used to be before feminism the American dream was for a family to live well on one income. Coveting a higher life style is NOT a better lifestyle.

I hate coming home from a business trip and finding the house in disarray. Dirty laundry, dishes in the sink, no dinner. A house that a man provides offers physical shelter. Women turn it into a home, an emotionally satisfying, stress-less shelter a man yearns to be.
 

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Because maybe PATRIARCHY ISN'T ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE.
Wrong. What you call the patriarchy is actually a merit system. It's not ALL men who had power and privileged positions, Covetous feminists evil goal is to replace a system of merit, which made Western Civilization great, with entitlement, a communist system that has failed every time it has been tried. Enter quotas and DEI hiring practices.

A friend of mine told me he has virtually no chance of promotion at his company as their stated goal is to increase the number of female managers by 50%. This necessarily means discriminating against men, regardless of merit, to achieve the quota. NOTE: Accomplishment and track record of succees is irrelevant to decision-making. This can only destroy a civilization in the long run.
 

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This hilarious video shows feminism at its finest. 304's wanting a 1% man. Hypergamy, expecting her man to make 10x what she makes. "Equality," feminist style.

 

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Thank you for your honesty. I figured something like that was the case.

The reason for the resentment is that feminist ideology is wrong; it does not match up to reality. Women do not naturally want equality with men, they want to be with a man who is better than them, particularly when it comes to providing resources. This is called hypergamy.

And there is nothing wrong with men and women having preferences. @Mink57's obsessesion with some v all, not withstanding, there are general rules, general truths. And this is one. Men have preferences too, like the I have a headache excuse is not invoked and it is not misogyny. The ancient contract is that both sexes make sacrifices for what they desire. Men sacrifice their excess labor capacity in exchange for exclusive access to a woman's reproducitve capacity. Feminists want men to materially sacrifice will not sacrificing themselves. Rather than an exchange of value, feminism pursues a gyno-centric arrangement that is ultimately self-defeating because there is value in the sacrifice. Recognizing all this is how to triumph over feminism.
See what's underlined? What a CROCK.

IF men want access to a woman's "reproductive capacity", then why don't they ONLY want sex while a woman is able to reproduce? Why do they often still want sex when a woman is ALREADY pregnant? Why do they still want sex even when a woman is no longer biologically able to reproduce?

And WHY do so many men KNOW that a woman can become pregnant EVEN IF BIRTH CONTROL IS INVOLVED, and if the woman becomes pregnant, the man RUNS from HIS responsibility?
 

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Another hilarious vid of feminists with a god complex, making up dating rules. #1, get the guy to ask you on a date. #2, expect him to pay for the date. "Equality," feminist style.

These feminists have no concept of economics. The more you tax something, the less you get of it.

 

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See what's underlined? What a CROCK.

IF men want access to a woman's "reproductive capacity", then why don't they ONLY want sex while a woman is able to reproduce? Why do they often still want sex when a woman is ALREADY pregnant? Why do they still want sex even when a woman is no longer biologically able to reproduce?

And WHY do so many men KNOW that a woman can become pregnant EVEN IF BIRTH CONTROL IS INVOLVED, and if the woman becomes pregnant, the man RUNS from HIS responsibility?
Your man-hating is apparent. Let's flip the scrip ... Why do women expect a man to pay for things after the first date? Why do they want him to pay for things even if they are not having sex with him for each financial transaction he makes that benefits her? WHY do so many women KNOW that a man enjoys sex EVEN IF CONCEPTION DOESN'T OCCUR and RUNS away from HER responsibility to satisfy him sexually?

How does that shoe fit?
 

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Wrong. What you call the patriarchy is actually a merit system. It's not ALL men who had power and privileged positions, Covetous feminists evil goal is to replace a system of merit, which made Western Civilization great, with entitlement, a communist system that has failed every time it has been tried. Enter quotas and DEI hiring practices.
You calling the Iroquois "model" of feminism "covetous"? and "entitled"? and "communistic"?
Funny how that "system" has been successful for THOUSANDS of years.

Maybe pay more attention how patriarchy has failed MEN, instead of how you THINK that Feminism is so "evil". Sheesh!
A friend of mine told me he has virtually no chance of promotion at his company as their stated goal is to increase the number of female managers by 50%. This necessarily means discriminating against men, regardless of merit, to achieve the quota. NOTE: Accomplishment and track record of succees is irrelevant to decision-making. This can only destroy a civilization in the long run.
Your 'friend's' experience is an EXCEPTION; not the RULE. Seriously Wrangler, maybe you ought to read more unbiased opinions rather than stick to your anti-feminist site that spew garbage.
 

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Another hilarious vid of feminists with a god complex, making up dating rules. #1, get the guy to ask you on a date. #2, expect him to pay for the date. "Equality," feminist style.

These feminists have no concept of economics. The more you tax something, the less you get of it.

And yet, when a woman WANTS to pay for a day, the men get all up in arms...feel "emasculated"....

Seriously, women can't 'win' with you guys...
 

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Another hilarious vid of feminists with a god complex, making up dating rules. #1, get the guy to ask you on a date. #2, expect him to pay for the date. "Equality," feminist style.

These feminists have no concept of economics. The more you tax something, the less you get of it.

OMG....

Why would he even CARE what she wears? If a date of MINE wore stripes and plaids SO WHAT?

Don't forget...WOMEN were NOT the ones who set up the Patriarchal "system" of the "man paying for dates." PATRIARCHY did that. If you don't LIKE that idea, bring it up to your "brothers". Women never decided, "The MAN has to PAY". PATRIARCHY decided that FOR you.

A man pays for a date. And what? He expects that transactional, "reproductive capacity" in RETURN? So, if a WOMAN pays for the date, the man LOSES OUT on that possibility...right?

How about if YOU pay YOUR way, and I pay MINE, on a date?
 

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Your man-hating is apparent. Let's flip the scrip ... Why do women expect a man to pay for things after the first date? Why do they want him to pay for things even if they are not having sex with him for each financial transaction he makes that benefits her?
And THEREIN lies the rub! A MAN wants to pay for the dates because he EXPECTS sex from her!!!
WHY do so many women KNOW that a man enjoys sex EVEN IF CONCEPTION DOESN'T OCCUR and RUNS away from HER responsibility to satisfy him sexually?

How does that shoe fit?
Whoa...Her "Responsibility?" Noooo......just
noooooooooo
 
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Responsibility for WHAT?

Responsibility is a compound word. It's made of two words combines. It breaks down to, Response, and Ability. Which is the Ability to respond appropriatey and intelligently.

That's what women can't do. They cant take responsibility for anything. How could any woman who has had several failed relationships rationalize them into thinking that she did nothing wrong. One time is bad luck, could happen to anybody. Twice? There's a problem that needs to be addressed. Why wasnt she Able to Respond appropriately and say no to the next three turds in her successive relationships?

This is an otherwise capable woman who has intelligence and skills to do many things, so it's not like she's retarded or anything. Why could she not learn to see red flags and say to the mistake that she already made a few times? She's shown herself to not be stupid, so it must be something else.

Women are emotionally driven. But women have no emotional intelligence. All they know (Guessing) is the emotional highs they get from bad boys. That surge of adreneline. In the moment and all that, and with a whole lot of reationalizations to justify the mistake afterwards. I was drunk, I was young and needed the money, my boyfriend cheated on me, he wont work, it just happened, works too much, and slaps me around!

Are those reasons really reasons or merely excuses? The reason women like to believe that they have emotional intelligence is because they are highly emotional! As women want to think they have emotional intelligence, but the truth is, the fact that they are highly emotional is actually the biggest indicator that they have very low emotional intelligence because being emotional is having no control over our emotional state, which is low emotional intelligence.

High emotional intelligence is the abiity to be pragmatic, to see things realistically and to make choices and Respond to life not from an emotional place! It's the ability to be in control of our emotional state and operate in life from that place! Dont that make sense?

You have to own it that you were wrong and brought bad situations on yourself. Ok, so I goofed. So what? So do many other people, so you arent alone, lol. I made a bad choice once. I made an effort to not repeat the mistake even as I was walking away from McDonalds. In retrospect maybe I even made another poor choice in who I married? Who knows?

But you have to strive to operate from an emotionally stable state where you are in control and dont let the heat of the moment get to you. You keep who you are, but stay in control. If you never admit it to yourself your mistake(s), then how will you start healing.

I've often wondered why women and certain others are so emotional. Scripture tells us to not think with our feelings but turn to God and havr faith in Him. So what the heck is emotions really for anyway?

I couldnt figure that out for years! But then I finally seen the scripture:

James 5:16
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.../KJV

It seems to say that the fervant prayers are effectual prayers and they availeth much!

We all know what fervancy is, right. A display of power in speech or work or whatever.
There's an auto accident and the momma's child is pinned under the car, no one around to help. She goes to help, she can not lift the car. She gets flustered and is very emotional and perhaps cries out, God help me...and then she picks the car up off of her child.

So maybe that's what emotions are for if we aint supposed to operate from them. Emotions are good in this way. They tell us what is wrong, fear, sadness and worry mixed with power and love bursts forth. In that situation I doubt she would even have to cry out to God. A sigh with fervancy would get the Lord's attention and He would have compassion and mercy on the momma and help her.

does that make sense? That emotions are for praying with?
 

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Don't forget...WOMEN were NOT the ones who set up the Patriarchal "system" of the "man paying for dates." PATRIARCHY did that. If you don't LIKE that idea, bring it up to your "brothers". Women never decided, "The MAN has to PAY". PATRIARCHY decided that FOR you.

No, it was set up by men and was prolly the best thing to ever happen to women, lol.
Out of Patriarchal system came arranged marriages for women. It occurs to me what a fine part of it that is!

Why?

Because women can't make good decisions about who to marry.
 

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No, it was set up by men and was prolly the best thing to ever happen to women, lol.
Out of Patriarchal system came arranged marriages for women. It occurs to me what a fine part of it that is!

Why?

Because women can't make good decisions about who to marry.
Again, I call B.S. on this...

Maybe you should spend some time on some dating sites to SEE what kind of "men" are out there.
Not. The. Marrying. Kind.
 

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Again, I call B.S. on this...

Maybe you should spend some time on some dating sites to SEE what kind of "men" are out there.
Not. The. Marrying. Kind.

You dont meet a potential spose in a bar or on a dating website, geez.
Every time I met a decent woman it was when I wasnt out looking to find a girl. Why? Because that's not the kind of spouses are out there in Bars and such.

I met my wife when I was working by accident. I used to run a hot dog cart on the street. We was covering the Fireworks display on 4th of July and it was so busy (we knew it would be) that, everyone brought a helper. We had a Polish guy working there also and his helper was the Polish girl that I married. It was by accident cuz after we were done and waiting for the trailer to shuttle us back to the shop I saw her sitting on the curb all by herself so I asked Jerzy the Polish guy who's that Jerzy, introduce me! He said ok and went over to her and asked her if she wants to meet that boy over there? She said, that one? And pointed. Jerzy said yes. So he waved me over. I went over and met her, spilled beer on her shoes and got her phone number! The rest is history.

I found out years later, that when Jerzy asked her if she wanted to meet me, and she pointed at a boy and said, him? Yes...that she wasnt pointing at me! She was pointing at Chris a younger guy. But it was too late for him because I went over and worked my romantic charm on her and married her! She only knew about 6 words in English when we first met! That didnt slow me down one bit!

The good girls arent in the bars. So no wonder you got four or five losers instead of a decent man. Sorry you never figured that out.

Again, I call B.S. on this...

Ok so if what I said is BS, then perhaps you can give us an example of a relationship that you had that you made the right decision..

??
 

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You dont meet a potential spose in a bar or on a dating website, geez.
Plenty of people have
Every time I met a decent woman it was when I wasnt out looking to find a girl. Why? Because that's not the kind of spouses are out there in Bars and such.
And of all those times you met a "decent woman", you didn't marry ANY of them because...?
I met my wife when I was working by accident. I used to run a hot dog cart on the street. We was covering the Fireworks display on 4th of July and it was so busy (we knew it would be) that, everyone brought a helper. We had a Polish guy working there also and his helper was the Polish girl that I married. It was by accident cuz after we were done and waiting for the trailer to shuttle us back to the shop I saw her sitting on the curb all by herself so I asked Jerzy the Polish guy who's that Jerzy, introduce me! He said ok and went over to her and asked her if she wants to meet that boy over there? She said, that one? And pointed. Jerzy said yes. So he waved me over. I went over and met her, spilled beer on her shoes and got her phone number! The rest is history.

I found out years later, that when Jerzy asked her if she wanted to meet me, and she pointed at a boy and said, him? Yes...that she wasnt pointing at me! She was pointing at Chris a younger guy. But it was too late for him because I went over and worked my romantic charm on her and married her! She only knew about 6 words in English when we first met! That didnt slow me down one bit!

The good girls arent in the bars. So no wonder you got four or five losers instead of a decent man. Sorry you never figured that out.
...and...this is the same "decent" woman who left you for someone else? What happened? Couldn't you spot that wayward potential in her BEFORE you married her?
Ok so if what I said is BS, then perhaps you can give us an example of a relationship that you had that you made the right decision..

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Can YOU???? You spent how much time telling me about a woman you married, STAYED married to for a few decades...and THAT relationship ENDED. So apparently, YOU AS A MAN don't make good decisions about who to marry/be in a relationship with either.
 

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You spent how much time telling me about a woman you married, STAYED married to for a few decades...and THAT relationship ENDED. So apparently, YOU AS A MAN don't make good decisions about who to marry/be in a relationship with either.

Minky, I think that you are being very harsh on poor @M2444 because things happen over a period of time where poor decisions are made that turns loving relationship toxic and cause people to split up. That could be because people change and turn from good to bad people. Where conversation cannot be started or be had to discuss what is happening in the relationship for many reasons.

Breaking up can be the right decision for some couples when the issues cannot be reconciled or fix.

I have been married for over 50 years now and our marriage has gone through some rough times as well as some good times.

The hardest words to say in any relationship is, "I am sorry that I have hurt you such that our previous relationship can no longer function as it should."

My advice to my son and daughter in-law who broke up after 19 years of marriage was that although they are going down the path towards a divorce, that they remain friends so that they can part and still talk to each other without being angry towards each other to come to the best solution for all concerned in their situation.

Often the best solution is simply prayer asking God to lead us, who are involved in the relationship situation, in the way that He would want us to travel and do.

Remember that as God's children, we should not act in our own strength or without honouring the other person

Remember that when we do things in our own strength, that we have turned away from God and replaced Him with ourselves as being the centre of our life.

Shalom
 
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...and...this is the same "decent" woman who left you for someone else? What happened? Couldn't you spot that wayward potential in her BEFORE you married her?
Can YOU???? You spent how much time telling me about a woman you married, STAYED married to for a few decades...and THAT relationship ENDED. So apparently, YOU AS A MAN don't make good decisions about who to marry/be in a relationship with either.

So I'm supposed to be able to see red flags 25 years before they get there? Good one!

Not really. So I made a mistake. I can buy that. But so what? It's not like I'm all alone in having made mistakes. The difference between me and you is I can admit my mistake, and you wont admit yours.

Because you know as well as I do that men have to ask women if they wil marry them. It's the woman that says yes or no. WHen a man wants to have sex, what does the man do? ...Hey honey you want to? Another question. So women are pretty much in charge of marriage and sex.
Yeah maybe she was an evil genius and said bwahahaha I'll bide my time for 25 years and then leave him...! Are you for real? Lol.

Ok so I owned that I mad mistakes. No big deal for a man to admit a mistake, even a big one.
Your turn....can you admit that you were wrong 5 times? Can you admit that you could have said no at least 4 times?
 

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Again, I call B.S. on this...

Maybe you should spend some time on some dating sites to SEE what kind of "men" are out there.
Not. The. Marrying. Kind.

Yeah yeah I remember you said you couldnt keep one man in a relationship. I'll pass on the dating websites. Prolly a bunch of bot women anyway, lol.

Minky, I think that you are being very harsh on poor @M2444 because things happen over a period of time where poor decisions are made that turns loving relationship toxic and cause people to split up. That could be because people change and turn from good to bad people. Where conversation cannot be started or be had to discuss what is happening in the relationship for many reasons.

Breaking up can be the right decision for some couples when the issues cannot be reconciled or fix.

I have been married for over 50 years now and our marriage has gone through some rough times as well as some good times.

The hardest words to say in any relationship is, "I am sorry that I have hurt you such that our previous relationship can no longer function as it should."

My advice to my son and daughter in-law who broke up after 19 years of marriage was that although they are going down the path towards a divorce, that they remain friends so that they can part and still talk to each other without being angry towards each other to come to the best solution for all concerned in their situation.

Often the best solution is simply prayer asking God to lead us, who are involved in the relationship situation, in the way that He would want us to travel and do.

Remember that as God's children, we should not act in our own strength or without honouring the other person

Remember that when we do things in our own strength, that we have turned away from God and replaced Him with ourselves as being the centre of our life.

Shalom

50 years! That's respectable Brother! You dont hear that very much any more. You must have an exceptional wife if she could keep you married to her for 50 years.

And you must be an exceptional man to keep one woman interested in you for 50 years to the point that, she did what she needed to do to keep you for that long. Without ghosting her, beating her up or kicking her out. Huh. Imagine that, and you, a mere man too! (Lol)

I thought me being married for 25-26 years was respectable. I stand down to this man!

If Minky is right and the good men can only be found on dating websites, but there wasnt even internet yet when Jay got married...she must have been a mail order bride?

I'll bet Minky some money that Jay didnt order his wife from the back page of a comic book!
 
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