Return of the prodigal angel - The Triumph of Grace

[St. SteVen]

Well show from Gods INpired word that He gave us for doctrine, instruction, exhortation and instruction in righteousness that God is going to save all anglels and people cast into teh lake of fire and we can discuss. Other than that all we have is you saying it is true.

Do angels have knees to bow and tongues to confess? Every knee and every tongue, in heaven and on earth and under the earth... (in the realm of the dead)

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

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[One 2 question]

Paul and Peter were charged as master builders of the church and the foundation on which the church was laid. Now that we have that foundation, we no longer need "new revelation" We have the revelation we need, it is called the bible.

You are no apostle.

If you say so, then I'm not an apostle. For the record, I have never claimed to be an apostle.

But I know I am, as Jesus communicated, one of His sheep who hears His voice.

And wouldn't want it any other way. I love my Leader, my Redeemer, my Great Shepherd and I follow His Spirit Who leads me into truth every day. This is awesome because They are awesome.

 

[St. SteVen]

But I know I am, as Jesus communicated, one of His sheep who hears His voice.

AMEN!
I'm glad I launched this topic. It seems to have been a good place for you to speak your mind.

And wouldn't want it any other way. I love my Leader, my Redeemer, my Great Shepherd and I follow His Spirit Who leads me into truth every day. This is awesome because They are awesome.

You make good points. Thanks!

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[One 2 question]

AMEN!
I'm glad I launched this topic. It seems to have been a good place for you to speak your mind.


You make good points. Thanks!

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Thanks for setting it up and giving others the opportunity to, as you say, speak your mind.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But I know I am, as Jesus communicated, one of His sheep who hears His voice.

And wouldn't want it any other way. I love my Leader, my Redeemer, my Great Shepherd and I follow His Spirit Who leads me into truth every day. This is awesome because They are awesome.

As am I and probably all here. But it is you who claim to have been given new revelation on the level god gave the apostles.

Once again it is to the Apostles that God gave the doctrines which are our foundation to grow. anything that contradicts or questions those truths god gave to teh Twelve and then to Paul are to be rejected, resisted and treated as refuse.

 

[One 2 question]

As am I and probably all here. But it is you who claim to have been given new revelation on the level god gave the apostles.

Someone starts a family business. They give the responsibility and instructions on how to be the office administrator to their eldest child who is 20 year old. And they fulfilled this role well.

10 years later this child moves on from the business and the Father gives the next oldest child this role with
instructions on how to be the office administrator. And they fulfilled this role well.

Over the life of this family business each child gets to fulfill this vital role.

Is the giving of information and instructions only provided through the firstborn child? Are the wages only processed by the eldest child? No, this role and it's associated activities are carried out over the life of the business by all his sons.

Over the life of the business there are new clients, new staff, new technology, new markets etc. requiring new strategies, new equipment, new job roles, new awards, awareness and implementation of new industry and government legislation. Always new opportunities that come with new challenges and new information is required.

God the Father has never stopped communicating with His children. The body has always needed fresh food from which to be nourished. Why would I give only preserved food to my body when there is an abundance of fresh in season food available.

The church as it spread into the wider world entered new cultures and needed to learn new things as a result.

The Spirit from God brings fresh, in season words of instruction, understanding, vision to the church through its members to ensure it as a whole grows and matures into a fully grown entity.

The Father of that family business didn't only use the firstborn child but many of his children over time to provide new instructions as required. Sure, there were some enduring instruction that were repeatedly given and practices from the beginning, but there were also new, never before available information given to the employees and customers.

God is always at work. He does new things.

Once again it is to the Apostles that God gave the doctrines which are our foundation to grow. anything that contradicts or questions those truths god gave to teh Twelve and then to Paul are to be rejected, resisted and treated as refuse.

That's your choice. But for me and many others we are happy to keep receiving new wine, in season fruit, fresh water from the same Source that those from the beginning accessed.

The same Spirit gave of His resources, gifts, fruit, character to the infant body of Christ. He is still providing fresh truths 2000 years later along with some preserved truths. Do we all drink wine, preserved grape juice? No, many benefit from fresh grape juice.

Let's not accept one only while excluding the other. I have 2000 year old preserved, expressed and documented thoughts of God within me. And I have 1 hour young fresh expressed thoughts of God within me.

For yes, God is the same yesterday, today and forever as the constant Giver of truth. If we, who often don't know what to pray, are encouraged to communicate with our Father without ceasing, isn't it even moreso the case that God Who knows exactly what to communicate to us at any given time and in every situation going to do just that, communicate without ceasing?

I tend to be more silent and listen out for Him these days. He knows best, always. I know best, hardly ever. I have the mind of Christ and I intend to spend my time and energy accessing His mind.

What a brilliant truth. What hope this gives us. We have the mind of our Creators right now in 2024 as Paul did when he received this revelation 2000 years ago. Let us boldly go into the presence of our Almighty God and Father, where Jesus our eldest brother and friend sits at His right hand side. In fact we are in Christ right now. Wow! What a buzz! Come unto Me all you who are weary and heavy burdened and I will give you rest. Not only when we die but now, throughout each and every new day! Woohoo! What an invitation! I'm sooo filled with joy right now. Christ is in heaven and at the same time in His body on earth. I am in Christ's body on earth now and at this very moment in Christ the Head in heaven. Wow! This is beautiful! HE IS BEAUTIFUL!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Someone starts a family business. They give the responsibility and instructions on how to be the office administrator to their eldest child who is 20 year old. And they fulfilled this role well.

10 years later this child moves on from the business and the Father gives the next oldest child this role with
instructions on how to be the office administrator. And they fulfilled this role well.

Over the life of this family business each child gets to fulfill this vital role.

Is the giving of information and instructions only provided through the firstborn child? Are the wages only processed by the eldest child? No, this role and it's associated activities are carried out over the life of the business by all his sons.

Over the life of the business there are new clients, new staff, new technology, new markets etc. requiring new strategies, new equipment, new job roles, new awards, awareness and implementation of new industry and government legislation. Always new opportunities that come with new challenges and new information is required.

God the Father has never stopped communicating with His children. The body has always needed fresh food from which to be nourished. Why would I give only preserved food to my body when there is an abundance of fresh in season food available.

The church as it spread into the wider world entered new cultures and needed to learn new things as a result.

The Spirit from God brings fresh, in season words of instruction, understanding, vision to the church through its members to ensure it as a whole grows and matures into a fully grown entity.

The Father of that family business didn't only use the firstborn child but many of his children over time to provide new instructions as required. Sure, there were some enduring instruction that were repeatedly given and practices from the beginning, but there were also new, never before available information given to the employees and customers.

God is always at work. He does new things.

Nice human philosophy but it has nothing to do with God or the Kingdom. God is not doing new things. he is doing what He has always done. There is no new revelation.

the church has been tasked for three things with the bible:

1. Preserve it.
2. Protect it from corruption from its enemies.
3. Pass it on without altering the Word.

You need to remember that Hebrews says "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever".

The same Spirit gave of His resources, gifts, fruit, character to the infant body of Christ. He is still providing fresh truths 2000 years later along with some preserved truths. Do we all drink wine, preserved grape juice? No, many benefit from fresh grape juice.

If those "truths" contradict teh Scripture they are lies. Are you a Mormon?

 

[One 2 question]

Nice human philosophy but it has nothing to do with God or the Kingdom.

The people of Jesus Christ's day probably said the same to Him when He told stories about famies, employers, employees, armies etc.

Remember the recorded story of the family business that produced grapes. Where the Father sent workers to do a job, then he sent his son etc.

What about the Father who asked his sons to help him, one did, the other didn't.

Nice human philosophy Jesus but it has nothing to do with God or the Kingdom.

God is not doing new things. he is doing what He has always done. There is no new revelation.

Again, who told you that?

the church has been tasked for three things with the bible:

1. Preserve it.
2. Protect it from corruption from its enemies.
3. Pass it on without altering the Word.

And again, who told you this? I don't recall any of the contributors of the scriptures saying this concerning the church's tasks.

You need to remember that Hebrews says "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever".

He is. Even though He wasn't a man then became a human. Was a human then changed and was glorified into a Spirit Being.

If those "truths" contradict teh Scripture they are lies.

The God of Joshua (in the scriptures) contradicts the God of his predecessor Moses (in the bible).

What do you do with the recorded facts that God's written word to Moses (in the bible), soon after contradicted God's spoken word to Joshua (in the bible).

Are you a Mormon?

No. Are you?

 

[St. SteVen]

The God of Joshua (in the scriptures) contradicts the God of his predecessor Moses (in the bible).

Good point. Few understand this.

In Matthew chapter five, Jesus (Joshua) treats the law as hearsay in his five "You have heard that it was said... But I tell you..." statements. And he was also well known for his Sabbath "violations".

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

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[One 2 question]

Well if you can find verses that declare this and say their is repentance and redemption in eternity- you have a case. Otherwise it is just feelings, philosophy and opinion.

I can't as none of the contributors of the books in the bible ever mentioned Satan being offered a seat at Father's left in His neverending, all encompassing kingdom.

They may have received this revelation but to my knowledge none had it written down, or if it was it hasn't surfaced.

So my confidence isn't in my ability to articulate it well or to find a reference to it in the bibles or any other writings, it is in the Spirit of Truth Who having revealed it to me can reveal it to anyone He wishes.

 

[St. SteVen]

I ran across this today. An indication of MANY thrones in heaven.

Revelation 20:4 NIV
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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[St. SteVen]

New topic alert.

A Word for the church (four actually) concerning worship.

My wife shared a point from her devotional reading this morning. "You praise until the spirit of worship comes, you worship until the glory comes, then you stand in the glory." - Ruth Ward Heflin - Praise - Worship - Glory - Stand What it means to me. Praise is the obedient action that we use...

www.christianityboard.com

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[One 2 question]

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I ran across this today. An indication of MANY thrones in heaven.

Revelation 20:4 NIV
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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What an amazing hope we have hey. That we have been given the right to be sons and daughters of the Almighty now then in Jesus 1000 year kingdom we will rule and reign with King Jesus sitting on our thrones. Yes, along with the first disciples.

I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Lk 22

 

[One 2 question]

I ran across this today. An indication of MANY thrones in heaven.

Revelation 20:4 NIV
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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Why do you think many followers of Christ are not excited about our future role as kings and priests in His future kingdom?

This is super exciting, don't you think?

 

[St. SteVen]

Why do you think many followers of Christ are not excited about our future role as kings and priests in His future kingdom?

Not sure. Perhaps we are still learning NOT to judge other here? - LOL
Seems like an incredible responsibility coming in the future.

This is super exciting, don't you think?

Not sure that "exciting" is the word I would choose.
I haven't given it a lot of thought.

I need to work it into my Age of Restoration thoughts.
- The nations will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Leaders, both government and religious, will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Individuals will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Angels will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.

Perhaps the Bride of Christ will be evaluated/corrected/REWARDED/restored, first.
So that they can judge/evaluate/correct/restore the nations/leaders/individuals/angels.

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[One 2 question]

Not sure. Perhaps we are still learning NOT to judge other here? - LOL
Seems like an incredible responsibility coming in the future.


Not sure that "exciting" is the word I would choose.
I haven't given it a lot of thought.

I need to work it into my Age of Restoration thoughts.
- The nations will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Leaders, both government and religious, will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Individuals will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Angels will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.

Perhaps the Bride of Christ will be evaluated/corrected/REWARDED/restored, first.
So that they can judge/evaluate/correct/restore the nations/leaders/individuals/angels.

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Not sure. Perhaps we are still learning NOT to judge other here? - LOL
Seems like an incredible responsibility coming in the future.


Not sure that "exciting" is the word I would choose.
I haven't given it a lot of thought.

I need to work it into my Age of Restoration thoughts.
- The nations will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Leaders, both government and religious, will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Individuals will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.
- Angels will be judged/evaluated/corrected/restored.

Perhaps the Bride of Christ will be evaluated/corrected/REWARDED/restored, first.
So that they can judge/evaluate/correct/restore the nations/leaders/individuals/angels.

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The role according to the revelation both Jesus and John received from the Spirit is to rule in Father's never ending kingdom. So whether we serve as rulers or serve under rulers we all serve under the Almighty Creators.

Yes we all will be judged/evaluated/corrected or rewarded/restored. But after this period ALL will enjoy the benefits of living in Father's kingdom.

The icing on the cake is that some of have been chosen to serve in Christ's government for 1000 years with the mandate to restore all things on earth so that we can submit a perfect planet to Father Who will bring our new home with Him so we can be forever be with Him, and Him with us.

Isn't this exciting! With all the bad news being propagated today, isn't this good news of the kingdom of God and His Christ so refreshing, encouraging and hope producing. I love the gospel of the coming kingdom of our Creators.

 

[St. SteVen]

The icing on the cake is that some of have been chosen to serve in Christ's government for 1000 years with the mandate to restore all things on earth so that we can submit a perfect planet to Father Who will bring our new home with Him so we can be forever be with Him, and Him with us.

This is interesting.
I'm trying to imagine what that would be like to be sudden exalted into that role. ????
I think I would do fine but wonder what they would base their decision on?

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[One 2 question]

This is interesting.
I'm trying to imagine what that would be like to be sudden exalted into that role. ????

I'm thinking that there will be a process, a period of sorting out who's who. Then the rewarding of Christ's servants. Then a possible official swearing into office of all the ministers (kings/priests) within Jesus's global government.
A mandate will be handed down which we will carry out over our assigned domain. The first 12 disciples we know will have jurisdiction over the 12 tribes of Israel.

I believe we will be given responsibility to oversee the tongue, tribe, people, nation we served here on earth in this life.

I think I would do fine but wonder what they would base their decision on?

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Good question.

I have no idea.

I guess being rewarded according to what They preplanned for us to achieve. It leaves it all up to Them as it is according to Their will at the end of the day.

This has inspired me to be the servant of all. At least we know that these will be the greatest in His kingdom.

 

[One 2 question]

I'm thinking that there will be a process, a period of sorting out who's who. Then the rewarding of Christ's servants. Then a possible official swearing into office of all the ministers (kings/priests) within Jesus's global government.
A mandate will be handed down which we will carry out over our assigned domain. The first 12 disciples we know will have jurisdiction over the 12 tribes of Israel.

I believe we will be given responsibility to oversee the tongue, tribe, people, nation we served here on earth in this life.

Good question.

I have no idea.

I guess being rewarded according to what They preplanned for us to achieve. It leaves it all up to Them as it is according to Their will at the end of the day.

This has inspired me to be the servant of all. At least we know that these will be the greatest in His kingdom.

To know that God has given Satan a specific role over God's angel for a certain time, all of whom are governed by their Creator is comforting.

To know that this leader over His angels will have some time outs is interesting.

Firstly, a 1000 year time out in the abyss before his God releases him to carry out his God given role for 'a little season'. Then an unspecified time out in the lake of fire before being released again. But this time he is given a new glorified role which he carries out as he sits at God's left hand side.

What a fantastic hope we have in our God and Father Whose mercy, grace and love endures forever and without end.

For all His creatures will be saved, redemed, reconciled, restored, and assigned roles in His never ending Kingdom.

The greatest, of all that has been revealed to me, is the development and completion of all the planets their Creators have designed, made and named.

That we will be assigned parts of the creation, the heavens, to populate, develope and complete as will be done on this planet earth in the future. Just as we with King Jesus will make the whole earth as a garden of Eden as prophesied. Then on this fully developed and completed planet Father will come and make it His forever home.

This is super exciting news! The gospel of the Kingdom of God and His Christ!!

 

[th1b.taylor]

To know that God has given Satan a specific role over God's angel for a certain time, all of whom are governed by their Creator is comforting.

To know that this leader over His angels will have some time outs is interesting.

Firstly, a 1000 year time out in the abyss before his God releases him to carry out his God given role for 'a little season'. Then an unspecified time out in the lake of fire before being released again. But this time he is given a new glorified role which he carries out as he sits at God's left hand side.

What a fantastic hope we have in our God and Father Whose mercy, grace and love endures forever and without end.

For all His creatures will be saved, redemed, reconciled, restored, and assigned roles in His never ending Kingdom.

The greatest, of all that has been revealed to me, is the development and completion of all the planets their Creators have designed, made and named.

That we will be assigned parts of the creation, the heavens, to populate, develope and complete as will be done on this planet earth in the future. Just as we with King Jesus will make the whole earth as a garden of Eden as prophesied. Then on this fully developed and completed planet Father will come and make it His forever home.

This is super exciting news! The gospel of the Kingdom of God and His Christ!!

Satan, formerly Lucifer, will not be sitting with his nose in the corner taking a Time Out, foolishness. He will be restrained, as though by chains, for 1,000 years and after being set free to torment for a Little Season he will spend the rest of eternity in the Lake of Fire.