Jesus is the offspring of the “woman” in heaven, from whom he was sent….neither Eve nor Mary produced the savior….God did. Jesus had no earthly “mother” in the sense that Gen 3:15 indicates. His heavenly Father was the first to bring him into existence in eons past. After that, he produced a whole family of heavenly “sons” who serve him in various capacities in that realm…….but it was not revealed who the players in the Edenic scenario were, until Jesus came in the capacity for which he was sent.…the redeemer of mankind. A role that required him to become 100% mortal human in order to give his life for mankind.…hence, as part of his credentials as Messiah, he had to be born of a human woman, but he came “through“ her, not “from” her.
You sure do have some strange ideas, and yet it states Christian under your avatar.
1. Jesus did NOT come into existence as the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity, or as He is also known. The Son.
Jesus always existed. If you think Jesus was created,,,and you call yourself a CHRSTian, then you're worshipping a man.
OR, you don't believe Jesus is God - which also would not be the belief of a Christian. Christians believe CHRIST is God.
2. I have no idea who the heavenly sons are.
Could you provide some scripture?
3. What's the difference in the words you use THROUGH the woman or FROM the woman?
If Jesus came THROUGH the woman, does this mean He had none of her DNA?
If not,,,what exactly made Him be a human 100%?
A human begets a human .
Jesus was also 100% God.
The Holy Spirit is His father.
God begets God.
The hypostatic union: Jesus is 100% man and 100% God.
Jesus said that he had “come down from heaven”, which means that he existed in another form before becoming a human. Philippians 2 indicates that Jesus, before his human birth, was in the same “form” as God….that is he existed as a spirit son of God…his “firstborn”.
Jesus certainly did exist in another form before He came down from heaven.
And God had no FIRSTBORNS.
God didn't make babies.
Jesus is the 2nd Person....
He is THE WORD
and the Word was GOD.
John 1:1
But I don't plan on continuing this conversation forever.
He paid the redemption price demanded…a perfect sinless life for the one Adam lost for all his children….and after he had fulfilled his role, he was resurrected and returned to where he was before.
Agreed.
It did come to mean Jesus, but before Jesus was baptized, he was just Jesus, son of Joseph the carpenter…..only after his baptism was he identified as Messiah, by the voice of God himself. In actual fact he revealed that first to the Samaritan woman at the well. (John 4:25-26) His own family of siblings did not believe that he was the Messiah until after his death and resurrection…..he was just their older brother with whom they had grown up. That is the reason why Jesus gave the care of his mother over to the apostle John, taking care of her spiritual welfare rather than just her physical care, as she was a widow by then.
What if someone told you that YOUR brother was the Messiah?
Would you have believed it?
Did the Apostles understand who Jesus was?
No.
Not until after the resurrection.
You need to follow Christianity as it was established 2000 years ago.
Not some odd form of it probably invented in the 1800s but some man that didn't even speak Greek and thus understand the bible.
But that is the basis for believing that ‘sola scriptura’ is invalid…..for the RCC, scripture wasn’t “enough” to support their doctrines, so they added to them to make the Bible ‘suggest’ what it never said. There is a reason why the writings of the apostolic fathers never made it into the canon…..it was closed after John’s Revelation and his three letters. Nothing written after that can be considered “Scripture“.
The writings of the Apostolic Fathers is at least 20 volumes if not more.
You would have liked them all to be in the NT?
Plus the writer had to be an eyewitness.
Plus a few of them did because they were so compatible with the other NT writings.
But we're not discussing that here...
What we ARE discussing is that the ECFs KNEW the Apostles and knew what the Apostles taught.
Unlike the person that you're learning from, or church, or wherever you're getting your information.
It probably is a person and that would be the definition of a sect or cult....following a man instead of God.
After the death of the apostles, things began to go downhill quite rapidly.
During the first century, the apostle John warned: “Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.” (1 John 4:1) How appropriate these words were!
By the end of the first century, many so-called Christians had already abandoned the teachings of Jesus and his apostles. Far from resisting the rising tide of apostasy, the Apostolic Fathers accelerated it. They adulterated truth with false teachings adopted gradually over time to completely derail everything that Christ taught.
This is incorrect information.
These so-called Christians, as you called them, went to their death for their faith.
Apostacy is what happened in the 1800s and even before when persons made up their own religion,
leaving the Christian religion far behind.
You should read the bible from cover to cover ON YOUR OWN with no preconceived notions and see what you come up with.
What you are preaching here IS APOSTACY.
The apostle John said of such individuals: “Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God.” (2 John 9) For all sincere seekers of Scriptural truth, this divinely inspired warning was—and remains—crystal clear.
It's also for you Auntie Jane.ù
Heed John's warning.
You are not in the teachings of The Christ but have invented your own.
I have to ask what they stood for? Not for Bible truth….since it is missing in all their doctrines.
Jesus taught that the “wheat and the weeds” were going to “grow together in the world”….not in the church…..”the church” was what became corrupt, Christ’s true disciples were not part of the church that betrayed their Master….and “no part of the world” that the church dominated for most of its history. (James 4:4) These were accused of heresy by the real heretics, and silenced.
Jesus told us, not just to listen to what people say…but to observe the kind of people they produce…..”love among themselves” was to be the identifying characteristic (John 13:34-35)…..they would not be fighting one another in the wars of the nations. The churches of Christendom prove their hypocrisy by doing the exact opposite to what Christ taught….(Matt 5:43-44)….not to mention the many adopted doctrines that found their way into a corrupted church. (2 Thess 2:3; 2 Pet 2:1-3; 1 Tim 4:1-3)
Which adopted doctrines would that be?
Could you list them please?
The apostle Peter said that when God’s day of judgment suddenly comes, Christ’s true disciples will be found in a condition that others will not possess….
2 Peter 3:10-14….
“But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that day the heavens will pass away with a dreadful noise, the elements will be consumed by fire, and the earth and all the works done on it will be exposed. waiting for and hastening the coming day of God. Because of that day, the heavens will be destroyed by fire and the elements will melt away in the flames. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be? You must live holy and godly lives, But according to his promise we are waiting for a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness is at home. Therefore, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen, make every effort to be found by him in peace—pure and faultless.” (CEB)
This is not talking about the literal “heavens and earth” as these are the perfect creations of God…it is the corrupt ruling elements of this world along with the ungodly people who support them that will be destroyed…consumed by the fire of God’s anger.
Christ’s disciples are “no part“ of that world, ruled by the devil. (John 18:36; 1 John 5:19)
You don't think the earth will be destroyed?
Where do you supposed the New Jerusalem will be?
