Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

Did Noah have a wife?
Maybe it was a gay PRIDE rainbow? - LOL
(sick humor)

Everyone on the ark was paired up, right?

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Yes, he had a wife.

"But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you."
Genesis 6:18.

 

[Wrangler]

Is there anything of the world that you are against? It doesnt seem like it from all your posts. What of the world do you dislike and will not accept no matter what?

Do you think us men should be accepting of feminism? Are you? It sounds like you are. What did you do to be more acceting of the feminism creed? How should other men be to feminists and why?

No answer @St. SteVen? No surprise.

Here is a short vid that puts a small portion of the problem into perspective.

This vid includes a female MRA (Men's Rights Acvivist) who summarizes the "waves" of feminism as follows:

1. Give women men's right's without giving women men's responsibilities.
2. Reduce Women's responsibilitiies
3. Increase Men's responsibilities.

 

[Webers_Home]

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People today have never seen a normal woman, nor has anyone today ever seen a normal man.
That all came to an end with the forbidden fruit incident; men and women ever since then have
been aberrations of normalcy, i.e. deviant.

When Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, his character became remarkably
altered.

"The Lord God said: The man has now become like one of us, knowing good
and evil." (Gen 3:22)

In other words; Adam became a tin God, viz: Adam became his own guiding
light, so to speak, and the effect wasn't limited to him, no; his entire
posterity, everyone all at one time that very day, became a tin God too.

"Sin entered the world through one man" (Rom 5:12)

"By one man's disobedience, many were made sinners" (Rom 5:19)

Consequently the two lights-- the real God and the tin God--have been
butting heads ever since over matters relative to good and evil.

What instigated Suffrage? What instigated Feminism? What instigated ERA?
What instigated equal pay for equal work? Why is the average woman so intent
upon equality with men? Duh.

"The natural mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can
it do so. Those controlled by nature cannot please God." (Rom 8:7-8)
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[MA2444]

No answer @St. SteVen? No surprise.

Here is a short vid that puts a small portion of the problem into perspective.

This vid includes a female MRA (Men's Rights Acvivist) who summarizes the "waves" of feminism as follows:

1. Give women men's right's without giving women men's responsibilities.
2. Reduce Women's responsibilitiies
3. Increase Men's responsibilities.

I've seen that first one before and it's very funny considering she called her husband a peasant, lol.

 

[Lambano]

Maybe it was a gay PRIDE rainbow? - LOL
(sick humor)

Everyone on the ark was paired up, right?

Ever wonder why there are no more unicorns? It wasn't 'cuz they missed the boat.

 

[MA2444]

Did Noah have a wife?
Maybe it was a gay PRIDE rainbow? - LOL
(sick humor)

Everyone on the ark was paired up, right?

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Yeah they were paired up, Adam & Steve. Lol.

And the gays never took God's rainbow. The gay rainbow is 6 colors, and the rainbows in the sky are God's rainbows as a sign of the covenant and it is 7 colors...so the gays are missing something, dont'cha think?

Scripture said Noah's generations were perfect. We can assume that to mean Noah's wife also because they were as one. The problem was probably with Noah's sons wives. They werent of Noahs generations (DNA) and were probably corrupted with Nephilim genes which is one reason, they came back after that.

 

[MA2444]

No answer @St. SteVen? No surprise.

Lol. He had me on ignore he said but he does talk to me sometimes. So he still reads my posts, lol.

 

[Wynona]

Genesis establishes why men and women were created. The man was to keep the garden of Eden. But God saw that it was not good for him to do this alone, with no one like him amongst creation.

Eve was made to be his companion and help meet. Together, God blessed them, charging them to be fruitful, multiply, replenish the earth, and subdue it.

My husband and I, through mindfulness of Scripture, are living out a similar pattern. Case, in point: relocating.

My husband is working a new trucking job to pay for the rental, moving expenses, and our half of the utilities. It takes a lot out of him and I appreciate the significance of having a husband willing to sacrifice his own body to raise our income.

However, the role of assisting is hard work as well, since I basically had to do everything else...

---choosing and contacting property managers
---rental hunting and viewing
---still looking after current home
---still looking after baby girl
---still going to appointments
---still managing the in-law dynamic
---putting every small item in boxes and labeling them
---getting utilities at new place turned on
---cooking or picking up food

The man who seeks a respectful home centered wife should not be seeking someone dumb, incapable, or lacking initiative or drive. Being traditionally feminine has nothing to do with that. Discipline is a trait that both men and women need to "subdue the earth".

Tomorrow, hubby and his father will likely be moving heavy furniture into the moving truck. I am so glad that part is not for me and I dont have to drive the truck. We see that his role and my role are not things to compete about---but an interdependent network of skills united for one goal.

 

[Wynona]

We see that his role and my role are not things to compete about---but an interdependent network of skills united for one goal.

This is the problem with feminism---getting the nature of womanhood wrong from it's beginning.

The man keeps the garden...he is tired. He sweats, working the ground. What then does the woman do?

All the things he can't.

He cannot keep himself company. He cannot work the ground and keep his home environment very comfortable. He cannot father children that carry on his name and genetic line by himself.

We women were not made to prove some point about being able to do what men can do. I mean, great. But how much good does it do?

If all were eyes, where would be the hearing? (mimicking Paul, 1 Corinthians)

No. We were not made to do everything men can do. Rather, we have our own glory, made to do the things men can't do on their own.

 

[St. SteVen]

Eve was made to be his companion and help meet. Together, God blessed them, charging them to be fruitful, multiply, replenish the earth, and subdue it.

The word "replenish" stood out to me. (found in the KJV of the verse) It means to fill something that has been emptied. (previously full) ???
What happened?

Genesis 1:28 NIV
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:
and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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[St. SteVen]

This is the problem with feminism---getting the nature of womanhood wrong from it's beginning.

Do you appreciate having the right to vote? Thank women's suffrage/feminism.
Do you appreciate not being the property of your husband? Thank feminism.
How about equal wages? A drivers license? Freedom to leave your home without a chaperone?
In the time of Jesus, women didn't even count. How many were fed?

Matthew 15:37-38 NIV
They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the disciples picked up
seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over.
38 The number of those who ate was four thousand men, besides women and children.

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[Wynona]

The word "replenish" stood out to me. (found in the KJV of the verse) It means to fill something that has been emptied. (previously full) ???
What happened?

Genesis 1:28 NIV
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:
and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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I don't have an exact definition of replenish there. Yes, its KJV.

But I do think it means our presence on earth is helpful to it, in some way, rather than us simply being a burden.

 

[Wynona]

Do you appreciate having the right to vote? Thank women's suffrage/feminism.
Do you appreciate not being the property of your husband? Thank feminism.
How about equal wages? A drivers license? Freedom to leave your home without a chaperone?
In the time of Jesus, women didn't even count. How many were fed?

I'm perfectly okay not voting in exchange for women, children, and the unborn being a protected class again. The right to vote is historically tied to the obligation to go fight in wars for the country. So, no, I don't need feminism for anything.

Women could own property, get educatio, and vote in place of their land owning husbands before feminism hit this country.

Equal wages means that men no longer get a family wage. Everyone gets paid as a single unit without the same levels of responsibility.

Im not sure women needed a chaperone to leave the house in different social spheres. If a woman's husband was too poor to keep her at home, she simply labored in the same harsh work as he did. This was seen as an affliction and not a symbolic victory.

I owe no honor to feminism. I accept God's order as a blessing.

 

[St. SteVen]

I don't have an exact definition of replenish there. Yes, its KJV.

I checked. It seems that "replenish" is a very awkward translation of "and fill"

Strong's Concordance
male or mala: to be full, to fill
Original Word: מָלֵא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: male or mala
Phonetic Spelling: (maw-lay')
Definition: to be full, to fill



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[St. SteVen]

Im not sure women needed a chaperone to leave the house in different social spheres.

This is still in force in middle eastern countries, especially those under Muslim rule. (remember burkas?)

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[MA2444]

The word "replenish" stood out to me. (found in the KJV of the verse) It means to fill something that has been emptied. (previously full) ???
What happened?

Genesis 1:28 NIV
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:
and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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Well sometimes the usage of a word may change. For example, if you ask anyone what "gay" means? They will tell you homosexual. But if you asked someone 100 yars ago what gay means, they would tell you happy and joyful!
So maybe "replenish" may have also got out of wack in it's usage?

I looked that up (Genesis 1:28-Replenish, and I read all about the word replenish and it never did say the first word about replenish means to refill or like you were saying.

It means to fil, subdue, be armed, but nothing about re-fill.

See for yourself.

H4390 - mālā' - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

H4390 - מָלֵא mâlêʼ, maw-lay'; or מָלָא mâlâʼ; (Esther 7:5), a primitive root; to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):—accomplish, confirm, consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, draw, give in, go)...

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Wynona]

This is still in force in middle eastern countries, especially those under Muslim rule. (remember burkas?)

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I support biblical patriarchy, not Islamic patriarchy

 

[St. SteVen]

I support biblical patriarchy, not Islamic patriarchy

Perhaps it is "patriarchy" as presented by the Apostle Paul.
Because biblical patriarchy has some unfortunate differences. Which we explored in the topic below.

Brides were considered to be the property of their parents, primarily her father. Marriages were arranged.
Under OT biblical law a man could reject (divorce) a new bride on the basis of "fornication". (not a virgin)
The parents could defend the charge (of inferior product) by "producing the cloth" to prove her innocence.
Biblical explanations are in the topic. Link below.

Did Jesus say that adultery is grounds for divorce? - Nope.

The position of the church and society at large is mistaken as to what Jesus was quoted as saying in the gospels. IMHO Let's discuss. Questions: 1) What did Jesus actually say? 2) Why did he say it? 3) If we got this wrong, where do we go from here? The position of the church and society...

www.christianityboard.com

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[St. SteVen]

@Wynona
I should explain where I am coming from on all this, lest anyone get the wrong idea.

I have been married to my first wife for nearly 45 years. We have two adult sons.
When we had children, we decided that it was best for them to be raised at home by their mother.
She became a stay-at-home Mom and I was the breadwinner. This was a costly decision.

We watched as other Christian couples worked two jobs, put their children in daycare, bought expensive cars and homes.
These folks were looked up to as successful, while we were viewed as less than. Driving rusty cars and living in rental property.

I was originally confronted with feminism when some office women wanted to listen to a radio broadcast of Gloria Steinem
at work during lunch. It was the first time I had heard the slogan: "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."
Needless to say, I did not feel welcome at that "event". But I was at my desk while they broadcast it to the whole small office.

Initially, I was very much against this militant nonsense. But in time I recognized the difference between these Femi-nazis
and more moderate concerns over women's rights. I had reasonable agreement over some aspects of feminism.

Frankly, I knew nothing about the roots and intentions of the movement. Thanks for that info on the first page of this topic.
Fortunately, they haven't succeeded in preventing women from the choice to stay at home and raise their children.

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[Wynona]

Perhaps it is "patriarchy" as presented by the Apostle Paul.
Because biblical patriarchy has some unfortunate differences. Which we explored in the topic below.

Brides were considered to be the property of their parents, primarily her father. Marriages were arranged.
Under OT biblical law a man could reject (divorce) a new bride on the basis of "fornication". (not a virgin)
The parents could defend the charge (of inferior product) by "producing the cloth" to prove her innocence.
Biblical explanations are in the topic. Link below.

Let me be specific. I support Christian biblical patriarchy as refined by New Testament Scripture. As a Christian, I am not obligated to follow the 213 laws of Moses.

Although Im interested in the historical accuracy of the property concept. When Rebekah was sought out to be Isaac's wife, her family asked if she would go with Isaac's servant. She answered, "I will go."

Why would they ask her if it didn't matter? I will be looking at more history in the future about women. While history pretty much was awful for everyone, I doubt it was this nuance-less woman oppressing one note miserable landscape feminists make it out to be. Reality is usually a lot more complicated.