It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[Eternally Grateful]

If it carries no biblical support or one single proof-text then it is dead! It is false! It is a lie!

See this is the problem.

You can say you disagree with the evidence. But you can not say there is no evidence. That is just plain false. and has absolutely no bearing of truth..

in fact.t here is more evidence Pre-trib MAY be true. than there is evidence you can submit to prove there is no evidence.

Lighten up my friend. Its not a salvic issue, and not worth attacking your brothers over.

 

[IndianaRob]

Do you have to be a virgin to be a Christian? Do you have to be a virgin to make the rapture? Do you have to be a literal virgin with a literal lamp with literal oil in it to make the rapture? Are there only five virgins that make the rapture?

Your reasoning is ridiculous.

This is an earthly illustration about preparedness/unpreparedness. That is the message.

Yeah right. Take it up with Paul who I was loosely quoting.

If you didn’t recognize the passage I was quoting in my post then you definitely shouldn’t be posting anything about the ten virgins.

You’re heaping judgement on your own head with the asinine statements you make.

 

[WPM]

See this is the problem.

You can say you disagree with the evidence. But you can not say there is no evidence. That is just plain false. and has absolutely no bearing of truth..

in fact.t here is more evidence Pre-trib MAY be true. than there is evidence you can submit to prove there is no evidence.

Lighten up my friend. Its not a salvic issue, and not worth attacking your brothers over.

I know it is hard to divorce a person's beliefs from the person. But this is not personal. I am actually confronting false teaching here.

The burden of proof is with you. After all, the first principle of evidence is: "he who alleges must prove!" Where is your evidence? Put it on the table. Remember these are your proof-texts. Here is your big opportunity to demonstrate your teaching.

 

[WPM]

in my studies. Post-trib is the most indefensible of all the pre-millenial views.

Again, more noise and zero evidence. That just about sums up Pretrib! Address the Op, if you can, and stop avoiding.

 

[WPM]

Yeah right. Take it up with Paul who I was loosely quoting.

If you didn’t recognize the passage I was quoting in my post then you definitely shouldn’t be posting anything about the ten virgins.

You’re heaping judgement on your own head with the asinine statements you make.

Go elsewhere if you cannot engage in a Christian manner.

 

[IndianaRob]

Go elsewhere if you cannot engage in a Christian manner.

I’m being a loving Christian and warning you that you are speaking nonsense.

 

[WPM]

I’m being a loving Christian and warning you that you are speaking nonsense.

More projection!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I know it is hard to divorce a person's beliefs from the person. But this is not personal. I am actually confronting false teaching here.

but your not.

The burden of proof is with you.

Actually no it is not. because I am not here to defend pre-trib.

After all, the first principle of evidence is: "he who alleges must prove!" Where is your evidence?

Your the one making the accusation. hence the burden of proof is on you. again, I am not here to defend pre-trib

Put it on the table. Remember these are your proof-texts. Here is your big opportunity to demonstrate your teaching.

My teaching?

lol. dude lighten up. your pride is so deep you can not even see this is not my teaching..

 

[WPM]

but your not.



Actually no it is not. because I am not here to defend pre-trib.

Your the one making the accusation. hence the burden of proof is on you. again, I am not here to defend pre-trib

My teaching?

lol. dude lighten up. your pride is so deep you can not even see this is not my teaching..

Are you Pretrib?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Again, more noise and zero evidence. That just about sums up Pretrib! Address the Op, if you can, and stop avoiding.

lol.. I saw no evidence in the op that supported your view. I just saw someone who took what he thinks others say and try to destroy them.

I only read the first post. I saw nothing that even made me want to consider going any further.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you Pretrib?

I said in an earlier post I was not sold on pre-trib.. Can you read?

 

[WPM]

I said in an earlier post I was not sold on pre-trib.. Can you read?

So, what is your view?

 

[WPM]

I said in an earlier post I was not sold on pre-trib.. Can you read?

Are you Dispensational?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So, what is your view?

My view is whatever happens will happen. We will not know until it happens. so there is no need to fight and cause division in the church over things we can not prove.

My view is that pre-trib, mid trib and post trib all have things which they can use to support their view. so to pit one against the other would be a foolish and childish endeavor

My view is that of all the evidence. post trib has the least amount of evidence supporting it. but again, that is just my view.. I will nto attack a post trib person and say they are evil and teach a false doctrine..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you Dispensational?

I believe 1 thess 4 will occur before Christs return and regn on earth. which makes me a pre-millenial if we are to try to put a label on what I believe.

but lets not talk labels. lets talk about what the word says

 

[WPM]

I believe 1 thess 4 will occur before Christs return and regn on earth. which makes me a pre-millenial if we are to try to put a label on what I believe.

but lets not talk labels. lets talk about what the word says

Are you Dispensational?

 

[WPM]

My view is whatever happens will happen. We will not know until it happens. so there is no need to fight and cause division in the church over things we can not prove.

My view is that pre-trib, mid trib and post trib all have things which they can use to support their view. so to pit one against the other would be a foolish and childish endeavor

My view is that of all the evidence. post trib has the least amount of evidence supporting it. but again, that is just my view.. I will nto attack a post trib person and say they are evil and teach a false doctrine..

This is all theological double-speak. Address the Op and stop waffling.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you Dispensational?

You tell me since you seem to want to discuss doctrines of a group of people. and not the word..

Do you know a premill who is not a dispensation? and does it even matter

 

[WPM]

You tell me since you seem to want to discuss doctrines of a group of people. and not the word..

Do you know a premill who is not a dispensation? and does it even matter

You are reacting to the message because it exposes your theology and you have no rebuttal. You cannot even be straight. Are you ashamed of your beliefs? That might explain your ad hominem.

For the attention of the reader I will reveal what you hold:

I am a futurist
I lean pre-trib

as a dispensationalist all my life all over the country, I have never heard any of these arguments.

The hour of trial is an event that takes place in the last days, Called the time of Jacobs trouble, the time of Great tribulation, the time of testing.

God made a distinction between the church and Israel.. Israel was a group of people. who were given a law. and told how to live.

The church is a separate entity and not bound to many of those laws.

I believe 1 thess 4 will occur before Christs return and regn on earth. which makes me a pre-millenial

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is all theological double-speak. Address the Op and stop waffling.

I am just stating what I see

You one argument was that Dan 9 does not mention the church. and that proves premill is wrong.

This is a false application not only of daniel 9. but the argument itself. and does not address what the person who uses it (I will be honest. I have never heard a pre-trib person use this to prove his or her point)

so this tells me you are drawing at straws. and do not want to really discuss what others believe, but just attack them.