Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

[Reddsta]

In fact, James 4:7 tells us what happens when you do resist, “Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

You do not need to fear Satan anymore, you do not need to listen to him anymore, you just have to resist him and he must go.

This is an incredible verse. When you resist, the enemy must vanish. Do you believe that? Are you living there?

There are “conditions to that statement” which you cite WPM…For example in the first 5 verses James is confronting the absolutely carnal state of those in the “church”…he is referencing a “worldly influence and behavior”…that if…they who are committing such things do not repent and turn from…it will cause them to become an “enemy of God” via their carnal lustful human pride…the beginnings of apostasy…serving as a testimony to the effect of the dragon’s “world – authority and power” upon the early church.

The antidote to this “carnal human pride” according to James is…to humble yourself before God…”submit to His will” for your life…accomplishing “His work” with your life…which God prepared beforehand so that you would walk in them…then and only then…is our resistance of the devil going to cause him to flee. This gives us a nice insight into the “apostasy” occurring in the church all over the world today.

“Therefore it says, "GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE." Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.”

Well WPM…”fear” is not word that I would use to describe my feelings, emotions, or beliefs concerning the dragon. It’s more like an “understood respect” for his dangerous powerful authority and influence over the “church” itself which I have long abandoned…and the “world” I am yet living in.

I “do listen to him”…under the watchful eye of my loving heavenly Father…from His throne where I am in Christ…this call is not for everyone I understand that. The Body has many members each with a unique responsibility in and to the Body of Christ…and the Lord has called me to this and He is teaching me how the dragon thinks and his ways…this has been going on for nearly 40 years now.

I am however…exceedingly watchful and careful not to be fooled or deceived to obey him…and this is in a steadily increasing or growing capacity over the years as I learn to submit my entire life to God.

Yes…as I continually grow in my humility before God…submitting all that I am to the Lords will and His family…not the “church” but His actual Body. I am experiencing a greater victory over the dragon, the harlot, the lawless one, the church and his effect upon the world I live in…in my life and in the lives of others…yet…he has not entirely vanished…I can assure you of that.

Perhaps in a moment of temptation I experience an overcoming of the devils ability to attack my soul…and I do…however I also experience a reoccurring of his attempt to deceive me just as he will the “church.”

That is what and how I believe and where I live…WPM.

Redd...:)

 

[WPM]

Clearly this statement in and of itself is correct…I however…no longer see the “church” as the “Body of Christ” or most of its constituency the “sons of God.” The “church” is the bunch that believes the lies of the Babylonian harlot and “falls away” from the Truth exactly as prophesied by the Lord.

In this…I can see that “individually” people are given “kingly authority to resist every spiritual attack of the evil one upon their lives” as you suggest WPM…however…just briefly allow me to submit to you an understanding you may already have…I am not sure at this point…if you do humor me will you?

In His explanation of the “signs of the end of the age”…a time I am certain we are in. Using that as a basis for my thought…our Lord Yahshua [Jesus] spoke this to His disciples privately while on the Mount of Olives. He was speaking of those who would in the end of the age bring deception to the “church” and mislead many “in His name.” Matthew 24:10-13 NASB emphasis mine

“At that time many will fall away [from faith in Him…MANY…look how the MANY will act] and will betray one another and hate one another.[this is the effectual power of the dragon via deception upon the church] "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.[MANY…they arise in the spirit and power of Satan] "Because lawlessness is increased, [lawlessness being the implementation of Satan’s authority] most people's love will grow cold. [lose their love for the Truth and fall away] "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.” [MANY…but not all] Mat 24:10-13 NASB

Again the question WPM…where do you see the “church advancing” as you suggest?

Redd...:)

Jesus reminded the religious unregenerate Jews who claimed to be Abraham’s offspring that they were of their father the devil. Basically, their outward profession was mere fizz-and-bubble.

We see the same within the New Testament ekklesia. There are many that profess “Lord, Lord” but they do not know Him.

We see this in Romans 9:6-13: “For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

 

[Marty fox]

Yes and yes completely transformative…from natural to supernatural from flesh to spirit.

Will be…defeated WPM…of this there is no doubt. Remember…before the beast, lawless one, the harlot and their entourage are destroyed…the dragon will have used them to gain full control over all the kingdoms of this world and all who dwell on this earth…they will all worship him…the fallen church folk and the worldly.

Redd...:)

I believe an overall conforming of the church like we are seeing today is how satan is released.

The Holy Spirt within the church holds back satan but when some of it conforms it also releases him.

But Jesus promised that the gates of hell will never prevail over the church and they are the remaining faithful camp of Gods people that satan will spiritually surround at the end of revelation chapter 20.

The reason that God will destroy the world by fire in the future is the same reason that God destroyed the world with the flood back in Noah’s day when the faithful before the cross conformed and came down to just one man Noah

 

[WPM]

Of course WPM of course...and I agree…however your wording leads me to understand that you believe that this is for now…today? Again…I am simply asking where do you see this…“spiritual empowerment of the people of God”…“confronting and overcoming Satan and his demonic angels on planet earth?” As you repeatedly suggest…at this time?

I am not suggesting that it is not…only asking where you are witnessing the Kingdom of God actively overthrowing the kingdoms of the “world” on earth today?

Redd...:)

I never said that it was the duty of the Church to overthrow the kingdoms of this world. That is what Christ will do when He comes. It is our calling to invade this dark world with the glorious gospel of Christ and see men set free from the bondage of sin.

 

[Reddsta]

When we think about Christ’s ministry and the great commission resting upon the Church, we normally focus in on preaching the Gospel. Most Christians agree on that one. But many miss that our assignment on this earth involved 3 important elements (1) preaching the Gospel, (2) healing the sick and (3) casting out devils.

The great commission as it was written…goes like this in virtually all translations…“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Amen.

Speaking to the “eleven disciples”…“All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Yahshua is creations sovereign…the source of all power and authority.

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations” As the source of all power…the Lord commands them delegating His authority to the “eleven disciples”…authenticating and authorizing them [eleven soon to be 12] to go forth into all nations and reveal who He is and why He came, where He is presently and how He might be found…that “whosoever will” can worship Him in Spirit.

“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” Their teaching was centered upon the power of God to resurrect the dead…the “death, burial, and resurrection” of the Lord Yahshua…salvation…and how that those who were “now” being taught this Truth are to partake in the “Lords death burial and resurrection into the newness of life” themselves via baptism in Water and Spirit…and all that goes with that teaching including the receiving of Yahshua as the Holy Spirit in their spirits…thus being born into His Body as the unique part that they are.

“In the name of”…can be translated to…by the power and authority of His throne which is being delegated to these eleven men.

“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” So…in the time [3+ years] the Lord Yahshua Christ spent with the eleven that are there on a mountain in Galilee at the time of the great commissioning…He references “His teachings and His lifestyle while living with and among them” and charges [commands] them to show those who receive His eternal life [Holy Spirit]…how to worship Him as the living God and Father of creation…in Spirit and Truth…just as they [the eleven] had learned directly from Him.

“and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Ten days later they would be filled with the power of the Lord’s eternal life themselves…the Holy Spirit…this impartation then would bring the delegated power and authority to manifest the Lord Yahshua to whomever they choose. This then gives us the understanding of what He means…“I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” He will be/is alive in them.

While I can agree that there will be (1) preaching the Gospel, (2) healing the sick and (3) casting out devils…as I have illustrated here…these are not the entirety of the great commission.

Additionally…does it matter that this “great commission” was give to the eleven disciples soon to be 12 apostles?

It most certainly does…the Lord Yahshua was working in and through them…the eleven soon to be twelve…to establish His Kingdom on earth. It was the eleven that were initially given the “great commission”…apostles…big brothers…spiritual fathers who were selectively chosen…handpicked raised up personally by the Lord Himself.

Did they? They did…we can read about it…we can study it…we can learn to live it…it’s called the “apostles doctrine” and it serves as the absolute foundation of and the governance for the Kingdom of God on earth…it looks nothing like “today’s church” which is precisely the reason the church is the deceptive failure that it is…weak…lethargic without strength…not the Kingdom of God on earth today.

I will leave this part like this…“Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.” 1Co 12:27-31 NASB

Redd...:)

 

[TribulationSigns]

Yes, I mentioned Peter's remark that the Devil prowls around like a lion seeking whom to devour. And since the Devil prowls around like a roaring lion, he is not bound.

Wrong. We disagree here. Without the work of the cross, there is no binding of Satan and the Spirit of Christ is not poured out. For example, the whole purpose of the binding of Satan "IS" the work of the cross. Selah! That "IT" be efficacious! Without one, there can be no other. Even as illustrated in Christ's very own words. Consider wisely!

Matthew 12:29

• "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he FIRST bind the strong man? and THEN he will spoil his house."

Clearly, unambiguously, and without any contradiction, Christ is saying that in order to save His people from the nations ruled by Satan, He FIRST had to bind Satan! This is what you don't get it! Destroy his power by Christ's death. Only Then could he spoil (seize by right of conquest) those of the nations whom Satan ruled over. It wasn't an option, Satan had to be bound first in order that salvation go to the nations. Selah!

Thus it is impossible to separate the work of the cross from the binding of Satan, and that is why God doesn't! They are inextricably related! The problem (as I see it) is that people, like you, do not understand that the destroying of Satan was "NOT" for the world. Of course, Satan is STILL active in the world. It was for the sake of the chosen/election "of" the world. Thus Satan still goes about as a roaring Lion in the world, but his works were destroyed as far as holding the chosen in chains of darkness is concerned!! Get it?! That is what was broken by Christ's taking on the flesh, and suffering death. His hold upon us from Adam's fall, so we could then be sealed as the Israel of God. Consider God's word very carefully.

Hebrews 2:14-15

• "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
• And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

Again, Clearly, His death Loosed us from the bonds of the Strong Man Satan. Those who were subject to bondage in Satan's prison house are set free by this work of Christ in destroying the Devil's ability to hold them by His death. So by this bonding, God could set us free and seal us in our foreheads to now be "His servants." The true Israel of God.

Your statement contradicts what Peter said.

Hardly!

Exactly. He is still active in the world so he is Not bound.

Sigh!!!

Since the Cross, after his defeat, Satan was STILL active IN THE WORLD but he is bound FOR the sake of the Elect so Christ could spoil them from Satan's house through the preaching/testimony the church (Two Witnesses). After the testimony is finished, Satan will be loosened.

Exactly, Satan still works through the unsaved so he is NOT bound.

Well, duh!

Satan was not bound FOR the unsaved - those who were not God's chosen ones. They are the ones who will NOT be sealed, saved, or spoiled! God did not die for "everyone" in the world but for HIS OWN people from among the nations before the foundation of the Earth!

 

[TribulationSigns]

I agree! I believe we are in Satan's little season - the final apostasy.

Me too.

And this is why I also believe that the battle of Armageddon which is the battle of Gog and Magog of Eze 38/39 and Revelation 20, to take place against the camps of the Saints, the church, all over the church, for a short season. This is the judgment of the whore (unfaithful New Testament congregation) until Christ returns.

 

[WPM]

Me too.

And this is why I also believe that the battle of Armageddon which is the battle of Gog and Magog of Eze 38/39 and Revelation 20, to take place against the camps of the Saints, the church, all over the church, for a short season. This is the judgment of the whore (unfaithful New Testament congregation) until Christ returns.

I have no major objection to that.

 

[Reddsta]

Aren't you confusing the external church as a physical representation of the Kingdom of God on earth, with the ETERNAL Church as, not the representation, but that is the Kingdom of God within you? A Kingdom that cannot be physically observed?

Greetings rwb...

If…I understand what you are asking rwb…“confusing” is not the word I would use there…illuminating the current expression of the spirit of false church is what I was attempting to do in that series of posts rwb…because some of us can “see her.”

Those who can see the work of the “Babylonian harlot”…today…are likely also to be among the ones who can see the invisible eternal spiritual Kingdom of God on earth and in heaven…today…as well. Just my opinion based upon experience over the years in relationships with the Holy Spirit and a number of brothers and sisters. Consider this…

In speaking to the “Pharisees” the Lord would say things like “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!”…followed by…“For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

I interpret Him as saying that “I AM the Kingdom of God” and “I AM right here in your presence [midst] talking to you”…however…due to your unbelieving rebellious religious mindset…you cannot see me as I AM.

Yet there were those in Israel in that day and others before them who by faith saw Him for who He is…the messiah, the Lamb of God, the Son of God, God manifest in the flesh…and those who could see Him as He is…well then…they are “seeing” the invisible Kingdom of God in operation on the earth physically…right? It a matter of “spiritual discernment” wouldn’t you agree?

I am also experiencing relationships with mature brothers and sisters in the eternal invisible Body of Christ…those called the “sons of God” vs. the “children of God”…and when we are seeking the Lord together…I can see via my “spiritual discernment” the invisible Spirit Kingdom of God within them and its expression as supported through their lifestyle.

In that sense…as we…the “maturing sons of God live out our divine calls” on the earth today…other brothers and sisters can “observe the kingdom of God” mindset and lifestyle in us.

The religious, unbelieving, proud and rebellious that are falling away…more than likely do not spiritually discern this people…therefore they are like the Pharisee…blinded to the Lord in their presence?

Redd...:)

 

[Reddsta]

Sin abounds in the church that is a mere representation, but there is NO sin within the eternal Church, the Kingdom of God in you, because Christ gave His blood to make atonement for all sin for all who believe in Him.

I totally agree with you rwb…totally…I have found it rare to find someone who recognizes this. The “representative church” as you reference it says “I am a sinner…saved by grace” they clearly do not understand what they are saying.

Redd...:)

 

[Reddsta]

What is more, Jesus has given us “power and authority over all devils.” Nowhere does it say Satan has power over us in the New Testament.

He has...however...your explanation of the following passages for example…should be a “revelation” to say the least…I look forward to it WPM.

Daniel 7:21 NASB “I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them…”

Daniel 7:25 NASB “He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.”

2Thessalonians 2:3-4 NASB “Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”

Revelation 13:7 NASB “It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.”

Redd…

 

[TribulationSigns]

Daniel 7:21 NASB “I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them…”

Yes, this will take place AFTER the loosening of Satan from the bottomless pit.

Daniel 7:25 NASB “He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.”

Yes, this will take place AFTER the loosening of Satan from the bottomless pit.

2Thessalonians 2:3-4 NASB “Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”

Yes, this will take place AFTER the loosening of Satan from the bottomless pit.

Revelation 13:7 NASB “It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.”

Yes, this will take place AFTER the loosening of Satan from the bottomless pit.

 

[Gottservant]

Can God not save souls before, during and after the Tribulation?

 

[CadyandZoe]

By the way, I do not engage with you to change your mind. I know that you are married to your beliefs. I ask these questions to expose the erroneous nature of your position. Your avoidance reinforces the Amil thesis. Others can see that you have no answer to the biblical facts.

But you didn't expose error because your questions aren't related to the topic at hand.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Wrong. We disagree here. Without the work of the cross, there is no binding of Satan and the Spirit of Christ is not poured out. For example, the whole purpose of the binding of Satan "IS" the work of the cross. Selah! That "IT" be efficacious! Without one, there can be no other. Even as illustrated in Christ's very own words. Consider wisely!

Let's review the text again because I think there is come confusion between the binding of Satan and the release of prisoners.

Revelation 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

Take note of the fact that not only is Satan bound, he is also thrown into the abyss, and the lid was not only shut, it was sealed.

Matthew 12:29

• "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he FIRST bind the strong man? and THEN he will spoil his house."

Clearly, unambiguously, and without any contradiction, Christ is saying that in order to save His people from the nations ruled by Satan, He FIRST had to bind Satan!

Consider the context of that statement. The Pharisees accuse Jesus of using Beelzebub's power to cast out demons. He makes two arguments that defeat the Pharisee's claim. Matthew 12:29 is one of them. Here, Jesus draws an analogy between taking something from a strong man's house and releasing a person from demon possession. Before one can take something from a strong man's house, he must bind the strong man. By analogy, before Jesus can free someone from demon possession, he must first bind the demon holding the man.

His implied question is, "Does it make sense for me to use the power of the Devil to defeat a servant of the Devil?" The answer is no, and since it doesn't make sense, it isn't true. Jesus is not using the power of the Devil to defeat a servant of the Devil.

In this context, the strong man is not the Devil but the servant of the Devil—the demon that Jesus cast out. The strong man is not Satan in this analogy; it's the demon. And the house is the demon-possessed person.

Even if Satan was the subject of his analogy, Jesus doesn't put the devil into the abyss and lock the door. Jesus simply binds him long enough to free someone from demon possession. As Peter says, the devil continues to prowl.

Of course, Satan is STILL active in the world. It was for the sake of the chosen/election "of" the world.

Okay. Since Satan is still active in the world, he is not bound and he has not been thrown into the abyss.

 

[Marty fox]

Can God not save souls before, during and after the Tribulation?

Yes He can

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Doesn't everyone?

LOL. You are so naive. No, most premils would say that the age to come is not referring to the eternal new heavens and new earth, but rather to the supposed future thousand years on earth after Christ's second coming. Christ will return at the end of this age (Matt 24:3) at which point the age to come will commence. So, I don't know why any premil would say that the age to come is referring to the eternal new heavens and new earth unless they don't acknowledge that Jesus will return at the end of this age.

 

[rwb]

Greetings rwb...

If…I understand what you are asking rwb…“confusing” is not the word I would use there…illuminating the current expression of the spirit of false church is what I was attempting to do in that series of posts rwb…because some of us can “see her.”

Those who can see the work of the “Babylonian harlot”…today…are likely also to be among the ones who can see the invisible eternal spiritual Kingdom of God on earth and in heaven…today…as well. Just my opinion based upon experience over the years in relationships with the Holy Spirit and a number of brothers and sisters. Consider this…

In speaking to the “Pharisees” the Lord would say things like “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!”…followed by…“For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

I interpret Him as saying that “I AM the Kingdom of God” and “I AM right here in your presence [midst] talking to you”…however…due to your unbelieving rebellious religious mindset…you cannot see me as I AM.

Yet there were those in Israel in that day and others before them who by faith saw Him for who He is…the messiah, the Lamb of God, the Son of God, God manifest in the flesh…and those who could see Him as He is…well then…they are “seeing” the invisible Kingdom of God in operation on the earth physically…right? It a matter of “spiritual discernment” wouldn’t you agree?

I am also experiencing relationships with mature brothers and sisters in the eternal invisible Body of Christ…those called the “sons of God” vs. the “children of God”…and when we are seeking the Lord together…I can see via my “spiritual discernment” the invisible Spirit Kingdom of God within them and its expression as supported through their lifestyle.

In that sense…as we…the “maturing sons of God live out our divine calls” on the earth today…other brothers and sisters can “observe the kingdom of God” mindset and lifestyle in us.

The religious, unbelieving, proud and rebellious that are falling away…more than likely do not spiritually discern this people…therefore they are like the Pharisee…blinded to the Lord in their presence?

Redd...:)

Greetings to you as well Redd,

Wouldn't disagree with most of what you've said, except to say 'know' instead of physical sight 'seeing'.

I don't agree with the translations quoting Christ as telling the Pharisees that He is the kingdom of God that is in their midst. If that was what He meant, why say "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation."

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Here in Jo 3 Christ tells Nicodemus that a man must be born again to 'see' the kingdom of God. He was speaking of how the kingdom of God could be 'known' or 'understood' through the Holy Spirit in us when we are born again. In the knowing the kingdom of God we have also entered into the kingdom of God through His Spirit in us. We cannot see the Holy Spirit in us, but through His presence we most certainly can know or understand that we have entered into the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God. Because we who have His Spirit in us are the true unseen, but not unknown Church as She exists on this earth.

John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5-7 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Without the Spirit within, those who are of the world cannot 'discern' 'perceive' 'without observation' the Kingdom of God through the Spirit sent from Christ that is in believers.

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

One more thing. After further thought I remembered the prophet saying that people would come to Jerusalem seeking wisdom and information. And Jesus takes his throne in Jerusalem after the world is devastated. Bearing this in mind, we can conclude at least two things: 1) people voluntarily come to Jerusalem, and 2) the rod of iron destroys governments, religious institutions, and all other organized forms of authority, but not necessarily all unbelievers.

What does the text indicate? You don't have to speculate about this.

Revelation 19:15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: king of kings and lord of lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

Look at the description of Him smiting the nations and treading "the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty". It refers to the destruction "of all people, free and slave, great and small". To think that any unbelievers will survive this makes no sense. Other scriptures also teach that He will destroy all of His enemies when He returns with 2 Peter 3:10-12 being the most obvious. But, Jesus Himself implied that by saying that just as all unbelievers were destroyed in the flood and in Sodom, "It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed" (Luke 17:30).

In the following passage Paul indicates that Christ will destroy "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ".

2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Paul gave no indication that any "that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ"" will survive. In 1 Thess 5:2-3 he said "sudden destruction" will come upon them from which "they shall not escape".

 

[rwb]

He has...however...your explanation of the following passages for example…should be a “revelation” to say the least…I look forward to it WPM.

Daniel 7:21 NASB “I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them…”

Daniel 7:25 NASB “He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.”

2Thessalonians 2:3-4 NASB “Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”

Revelation 13:7 NASB “It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.”

Redd…

How do these verses prove Satan has power over the saints of Christ? Isn't it God that has power of life and death? Death of our physical body cannot harm the soul that ascends to heaven the spiritual body of Christ there when our body breathes its last. That doesn't sound to me like Satan having power over the saints of Christ.

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.