Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

Did you see my thread asking if I should leave my church? They treated fathers' as jokes on Father's Day, even saying the best thing about father's is they can take a joke. When I told a friend, his response was to say that is almost the EXACT OPPOSITE of the truth; One of the best things about men is they know when things are not a joke - and how to step up in the moment of truth.

It's not women who lead when things go bump in the night or a spider or other vermin are in the house.

What a joke! I've lived alone for the last 10 years. No man in my life. If things go 'bump' in the night, who do you think checks it out? And when I had a few mice in my apartment, who do you think caught them? And when my late husband was alive, who do you think trapped the 5 mice, drove them a few miles away and released them into the wild? All ME.

No, Wrangler. Not ALL men will "step up" in the moment of truth.

So, it does not surprise me one little bit that you observe this seriousness in your husband. It is not emotionalism of women waxing hysterically, as my wife did as I wiped out a next of squirrels in the attic. It is a weightiness, a gravitas of masculine focus that the feminine cannot match. Feminists want it both ways; Given that women are better at multi-tasking, it follows that men are better at single-minded focus and intensity.

It's not that feminists want it both ways. That's to say that ALL feminists think alike, and they don't. It's that SOME feminists have proven that they CAN do things that a man can do, and often they do so out of necessity.

I believe it comes from our anthropological history. In cavemen days when men were on the hunt, what were women doing? Everything else? They were collecting firewood, berries, harvesting from a garden, tending the fire, leading the older kids to help fight off wild animals and having her parents take care of the babies and little ones.

Our anthropological history demonstrates that Hunter-gatherer societies were egalitarian.

Returning to men on the hunt, sacrificing time with his family during desperate times for what purpose? Feminism would say our ancient father's were dead beats back then also. Not so!

No, feminism would say that MOST societies were egalitarian, way back when.

They knew the coming winter was at hand. Acquiring so much meat per person meant the difference between life and death.

Oh, ok.

If the men failed, everyone would die. I believe your husband exudes this intensity - and you love him all the more for it.

No, everyone would NOT die. Some women are just as capable in survival situations as some men are. She may not be able to wrestle with a bear, but then again, most men couldn't, either. She could still hunt and trap game and still gather winter fruits and veggies. She could still fish.

When it comes to having serious talks with family and friends, my wife leaves it to me. Yes, she talks to them more. But I talk to them about weighty matters, about things that are uncomfortable to discuss, address conflicts and negotiate both resolution and consequences with finality.

And usually that was MY job. My late husband didn't want to be the 'bad guy' when it came to important matters.

There is an intensity in the moment of truth that overwhelms her, the weaker sex. She supports me taking the lead in such moments but knows it is not natural for her to hold her loved ones accountable in no uncertain terms. It is very serious. The moral character of the next generation, their capacity to survive in the long run depends on it. If I fail as a man, everyone will die. A shout out to our caveman days.

Again, everyone will NOT die. Plenty of single women (not necessarily single by THEIR choice) play both the father AND mother.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Jesus has the rank of firstborn among the Christians in God's family circle.

"For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His
son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Rom 8:29)

The "many brethren" are heirs within God's family circle.

"Now if we are children, then we are heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ" (Rom 8:17)

The thing is: the firstborn's seniority entitles him to a greater degree of respect-- and a
larger share of the paterfamilias' estate --than those in the family whose station is below
his. For example:

Isaac's outdoor son Esau may have been secular to the bone, but he fully understood
the advantages that should've been his in accord with primogeniture which were
transferred to his kid brother Jacob instead-- to wit:

"May God give you of heaven's dew and of earth's richness-- an abundance of grain
and new wine. May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your
kindred, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you." (Gen 27:28-29)

When Esau protested Jacob's blessing; his father answered: "I have made him lord over
you" (Gen 27:37)

Now, in the natural mind's eye, the right of the firstborn is extremely unfair to say the
least because who among us has any say in matters related to birth? We are not given
an opportunity to select either our parents or gender, let alone whether we be the eldest
or the youngest among siblings.

So; I sincerely sympathize with women's dissatisfaction with their placement in the
divine scheme of things. I also sympathize with militant feminism's resentment that
Christianity burdens Christian women with inequality. But at the same time I must insist
they accept it as a "born that way" disadvantage; and bloom where they're planted, i.e.
make do and make the best of it; keeping in mind that our current circumstances-- whether
the best or the worst --are only a temporary inconvenience.

"I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be
revealed in us." (Rom 8:18)
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[MA2444]

This is how temptation present to all us sinners. If there was nothing alluring about it, sin would have no hold over us and we would not need a savior.

Agreed! That reminds me of Pilgrims Progress. This narrow path is so rocky and look at the grass how soft it looks right on the other side of the fence. I bet I could walk on the soft grass and keep the path in sight! It's so tempting to walk in the soft grass! Life would be good then!
But, Pilgrim got lost and lost sight of the path and had a terible adventure finding it again!

And all she wanted to do was to walk in the soft grass!

 

[Wrangler]

What a joke! I've lived alone for the last 10 years. No man in my life. If things go 'bump' in the night, who do you think checks it out?

You are a very angry, resentful and unhappy woman. You are comparing being a lonely old maid to being in a loving relationship with a spouse. Seriously?!

 

[Wrangler]

And when my late husband was alive, who do you think trapped the 5 mice, drove them a few miles away and released them into the wild? All ME.

The glory of you.

 

[Wrangler]

No, Wrangler. Not ALL men will "step up" in the moment of truth.

There you go again, seeking to make exceptions the rule.

 

[Wrangler]

It's not that feminists want it both ways. That's to say that ALL feminists think alike, and they don't. It's that SOME feminists have proven that they CAN do things that a man can do, and often they do so out of necessity.

Contradiction upon contradiction. Yes, feminists want it both ways! You don’t need a man but admit you have necessities without one. Brilliant!

 

[Wrangler]

And usually that was MY job. My late husband didn't want to be the 'bad guy' when it came to important matters.

Showing how bad some decision makers are.

Every post you’ve made about the men you have chosen is to bash them and glorify yourself. Have you noticed that?

 

[Wrangler]

And all she wanted to do was to walk in the soft grass!

And there is nothing wrong with walking in the soft grass, per se. It’s only when seen in light that it defies God’s Will that the problem of choice emerges.

As I once told my stepson, the easy choice is seldom the right choice.

 

[Wynona]

Not ALL men will "step up" in the moment of truth.

I do empathize to some extent. Some women feel if they do not step up, everything will fall apart and for some this is reality. This is how I believe my Mom felt during certain hardships.

This burden isn't the ideal for women, I believe. My Mom shouldve spent more time relaxing. She worked full time without making us feel too neglected. But it fried her nerves, physical and mental health to carry all that.

I wanted my husband to lead from day one. But I often had moments in the early years fearing that no one would "catch" the ball if I wasn't ambitious enough. We were not rich.

 

[MA2444]

No, Wrangler. Not ALL men will "step up" in the moment of truth.

And that dear Sister, is between that man and the Lord! Is it not?

Another way I heard it before was, just because someone else is a Buttwad doesnt mean that you have to be also! (and that would be between you and the Lord).

I've always been an avid gun collector. I like to tartget shoot at tin cans and targets. I am an accomplished Hunter and have always had some sort of gun collection. My dad was into guns and taught all us kids how to shoot. So it's ingrained in me my whole life.

When me and my GF at the time got Married and moved in together, she had never touched a real gun beofre only seen them in pictures and heard the stories about wild America, lol. She was already pregnant of course and when she seen the extent of then small collection of guns, she got a little scared and thought of the baby. So she said, One mishap, even one gun goes off in the house and they're all gone! And I knew she was serious. So I had to take it seriously, and I did.

Let's get real. You cant child-proof a gun. Dont even try, it dont work. So you have to gun-proof the child! So I set about teaching them boys about gun safety, the four rules of gun safety and so forth. We had boys back to back. So there was two of them to gun-proof. Oh MamaBear, you have to come to the range and learn also! Watch one kid while I watch another kid! So I wound up making a bunch of gun nuts in my own home and family! Nothing bad ever happened because I stepped up to it. However, she did not like it that I carried a gun at all times and even told me to stop that. Who needs a gun at the grocery store or around town? I respected her wishes exactly one time andleft my gun at home, and you know what happened?!

We were going out with friends to a nice restaurant for a late lunch. So I loved my wife and wanted to please her so I left my gun at home. But the restaurant was packed and we didnt have a seat. So what do we do now? Mike says, lets just grab some steaks and a grill and hop up the mountains a little ways, I got my grill in the trunk! SO we did and after buying food as we were turning onto the gravel mountain road, my wife says you got your gun, right Ed? And I wanted to fall through the floor! One Time! Geez. I said no you said you dont like me carrying and we were only going to the restaurant...? (we hadnt been home!)
SO what we might need it now! So in trying to please her, I failed. It could have been worse if a mountain lion had come along, but I lucked out. And that taught me a valuable lesson. The woman might be in (temporary) control of the home, but when she is willing to hand the reins of control back to the man, she will do it at a moments notice! And I can't let her down! It's time to step up, take those reins and say, well of course I have an ace in the hole honey....! It was the moment of truth for me and I let her down, ugh!

That never happened again, I tell you what! Can you see the correlation between my story and what you were saying? Oh it's a lesson for the men, but you are right, the men need to be able to respond with an ace in the hole. For any situation!

I bet you can shoot a gun and own at least one.
Can you tel me the four rules of gun safety?

 

[Wrangler]

Some women are just as capable in survival situations as some men are.

You still don’t get it! It’s not about ‘some’ capability. It’s about our god given roles and responsibilities. Remember Jesus taking about how is yoke is light and burden easy? What the hell was he taking about?!

Much earlier in this thread you made a comment like one’s fertility does not define them! WRONG. Nothing @Wynona will do, nothing I will ever do compares in importance to fulfilling our biological imperative.

If we met in person and you asked me to tell you about myself, I’d be bragging about my 7 children and 18 grandchildren, how proud I am of my kids and I much I adore my grandchildren.

I wouldn’t be talking about how many TD’s I scored or batting average or office accomplishments. And I can imagine your frustration being at wits end that I’m not telling you about myself and my CAPABILITIES at all.

But I am. Not only do I live vicariously through them, I literally live through them and them through me. Come to the light @Mink57.

 

[Mink57]

You are a very angry, resentful and unhappy woman. You are comparing being a lonely old maid to being in a loving relationship with a spouse. Seriously?!

LOLOLOL! I predicted to a MALE friend of mine that you would either ignore me or insult me!
You have insulted me.

I'm not an "angry, resentful and unhappy... "lonely old maid". I'm a THRIVING woman, who looks about 20 years younger than my 66 years. And no, I don't have any cats. And yes, even JESUS said that not ALL people are meant to be married. So, do you think that ALL single unmarried women are "lonely old maids" if they're over 30?

YOU are the one who is angry, Wrangler. Angry that SOME women can do what you THINK ONLY a man should do.

Being in a loving relationship with a spouse is wonderful...as long as it's the RIGHT spouse.

Dang, Wrangler. I wonder what you think about the MEN who actually LIKE independent women. Sigh. I suppose in YOUR eyes, all those men are lying.....

 

[Mink57]

There you go again, seeking to make exceptions the rule.

Exceptions? You need to get out more...

 

[Mink57]

Contradiction upon contradiction. Yes, feminists want it both ways! You don’t need a man but admit you have necessities without one. Brilliant!

HUH? I think you meant "with" one and not "without" one.

If I 'need' something to be done, I don't really give two hoots if it's a man or woman. As long as either one knows how to do the job, that's fine by me. Gender doesn't matter. But YOU seem to think it DOES.

 

[MA2444]

When me and my GF at the time got Married and moved in together, she had never touched a real gun beofre only seen them in pictures and heard the stories about wild America, lol.

I'm sorry, I forgot that our very first date was shooting 22 rifles. I asked her out on the spur of the moment for saturday, and she said yes, so I had already made plans to go shooting so I just took her along! And she had fun.

Until she saw my entire collectiion! Then she got worried.

 

[MA2444]

HUH? I think you meant "with" one and not "without" one.

If I 'need' something to be done, I don't really give two hoots if it's a man or woman. As long as either one knows how to do the job, that's fine by me. Gender doesn't matter. But YOU seem to think it DOES.

He meant without one. Myself, I dont mind as a man. If you want to catch the mice, that's ok. If you dont want to and ask me, I'll do that too. Why wouldnt I?

When I got our first house with my wife, the way I was raised, the woman is responsible for inside the house and the man takes out the trash and does the outside of the house. She dont have to work in the yard unless she wants to. I mow the grass. That's the man's job. Big deal, so I mow the grass.

I came home from work one time, and she wasnt there. I looked out back and saw her pushing the lawn mower around, cutting the grass! It wasnt overly long or neglected, but she chose to do it anyway.

I snapped a picture through the window of the sweet wife behind a lawn mower...and I tell you, for some unknown reason, it is the sexiest picture of a woman that I have ever seen! I still have that picture.

 

[Mink57]

Showing how bad some decision makers are.

Every post you’ve made about the men you have chosen is to bash them and glorify yourself. Have you noticed that?

I'm not making posts about "men". I'm making posts about SOME men. You seem to believe that ALL men are alike, and ALL women are alike.

What a sad, sad, unhealthy narrow-minded world you live in.

 

[MA2444]

I'm not making posts about "men". I'm making posts about SOME men. You seem to believe that ALL men are alike, and ALL women are alike.

What a sad, sad, unhealthy narrow-minded world you live in.

So what makes you believe that if you were to be submissive to a man and perform wifely functions for him, that he's not going to love you for that or that he would take advantage of the situation? Experience? Perhaps you merely made some poor choices?

I can see where that would make you think that way.
I think I made you mad at me. but I'm not putting you down. I'm just talking straight to you. I know how men think. I am a man.

You said you have several long term relationships that the men was bad men and did not treat you fairly...right? So riddle me this?

How many bad men must abuse a girl before she catches n to the fact, I did this to myself for choosing the wrong sort of man? I will say no next time to that kind of guy! How many?

All men arent like that. I'm sorry you were hurt by them, but it isnt their fault that you said yes. You are an intelligent girl, and you even knew how romantic me buying my girl a roll of Lifesavers was! (She had the same spirit and loved it and said so!) But I think perhaps you just might not have thought it through completely yet.

I said no to quite a few women! I caught on quick. I can recognize the bad girls. I left one of them sitting in McDonalds because I never came back from the bathroom. I couldnt Marry her! We all make mistakes. It happens but you have to own up to your own part, dont you?

 

[Wrangler]

I'm not making posts about "men". I'm making posts about SOME men. You seem to believe that ALL men are alike, and ALL women are alike.

Your SOME v ALL logic is flawed as it denies general rules AND shows what a COMPETITIVE FEMINIST you are; desperate to compete with men and prove your superiority to them. It reveals a gigantic ego. And when your superiority is not recognized, that makes you the victim AND men are at fault.

The evil ideology of feminism is about ALL not SOME. Again, you are completely missing the point. Wives have an unequal burden to unconditionally obey and unconditionally respect their husbands - as a general rule, having nothing to do with female or male capabilities.

Short of this, feminism is the reason women are generally less happy as their choice is violating God’s will. Did you catch that? Generally less happy. I’m not claiming all. And that unhappiness is the result of the inherently evil ideology of feminism, which violates God’s will. This is because feminists make themselves god, seeking to judge men and finding them not accommodating feminist ideals sufficiently.