Gog Ezekiel 38. Is this Russia and China coming against America near future.
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Arthur81
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You direct readers to go to Shepherd's Chapel. Here is what that heretical group is:
Shepherd's Chapel is a controversial church and television ministry based in Gravette, Arkansas, founded by Pastor Arnold Murray. Its teachings, particularly regarding prophecy and eschatology, diverge significantly from mainstream Christian doctrine.
Key Teachings and Prophetic Views
- Denial of Traditional Doctrines: Shepherd's Chapel rejects several core Christian beliefs, including the *****, which it interprets as three offices of one God rather than distinct persons. It also denies the existence of eternal hell and the traditional concept of the rapture, asserting instead that believers will not be taken away but will face trials on Earth.
- Unique Eschatological Perspective: The ministry emphasizes a literal interpretation of biblical prophecies, particularly concerning the end times. It teaches that Jesus will return to establish a millennial kingdom on Earth. This belief aligns with some interpretations of Revelation but contrasts with the pre-tribulation rapture theory held by many other Christian denominations.
- Serpent Seed Doctrine: One of the most controversial teachings is the "Serpent Seed" doctrine, which claims that Eve had a sexual relationship with the serpent, resulting in Cain being the offspring of Satan. This teaching is widely criticized and considered heretical by mainstream Christianity.
- Focus on Prophecy: Shepherd's Chapel places significant emphasis on prophecy as a means to understand current events and their alignment with biblical predictions. This includes interpretations of various signs preceding Christ's return, often drawing parallels with historical and contemporary events.
- Christian Identity Movement: The church is associated with the Christian Identity Movement, which posits that certain modern nations, particularly the United States and Britain, are the true descendants of the ancient Israelites.
Ronald Nolette
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Your not too charitable.
Just because you come up with some special "new revelation" and try to foist it on believers here gives you no call for your juvenile attitude.
You have reinterpreted Scripture and hey call me anything you wish, you will acknowledge your sin of retranslating Gods Word to God when you are shown wrong! I can wait for you to get right with God.
Stop retranslating and allow God to be God.
If you will not accept Gods Word as written, why should we accept your word as written.
SARCASM ALERT-SARCASM ALERT I have just been given a special revelation by god and have discovered what He really meant through your words. what you wrote is code to mean exactly what God wrote in Ez. 38-39!
Arthur81
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Stream, If you'd learn the difference between "your", and "you are" or "you're", you'd be considered at least somewhat educated. We all make errors such as that, but we usually correct them. You are consistently writing "your" instead of "you are" or "you're". That reflects poorly on you even before you post your nutty heresies. I apologize Ronald, for replying to you instead of Stream.
Ronald Nolette
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This is known as straining at gnats and swallowing camels.
Please elucidate on one of my supposed heresies and show from Gods Word why it is so.
If my poor spelling offends you so, there is the ignore button you can engage so as not to offend your high level of grammatic sensitivities.
I usually ignore less than perfect grammar and focus on what a person is trying to teach here.
but which of my "alleged nutty heresies" are you referring to?
1. the literal/historical/grammatic approach to understanding Scripture
2. Pre-Millennialism
3. a pre-trib rapture
4. a belief in the rapture
5. Jesus physical return to earth
6. a literal 1000 year kingdom on earth
7. that dispensational hermenutics is superior to covenant /allegorical hermeneutic
Arthur81
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Sorry Ronald, I did not mean this for you. Somehow I thought I was answering Stream, and you must have replied before I corrected my mistake
Ronald Nolette
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Arthur81
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Ronald, I frankly had not noticed or paid attention to your one prior post in this thread, but I will respond to you.
I grew up in Dispensationalism and was taught somewhat like you wrote: "Russia (Magog) by its leader (Gog) will attack Israel"... I left Dispensationalism, and part of my renewed view meant questioning how "Magog" became Russia, and Russia's leader is "Gog". I was not able to continue in that belief, because I could only find that taught by men, but could not find it in the Bible.
What reasons do you have for believing the biblical "Magog" is Russia with "Gog" as the leader? By the way, I suppose I could not call you "Nutty" since I used to believe the same thing.
Your thread on jesus if he was Oriental shows what Nut Job you are. !!!
You serve Satan. That's why your attacking me.
Its called harassment.
You don't have holy Spirit.
Oh. I should have addressed it to your master !!!
Wrong Heretick.
Your a loser. Get life !!!
I won't answer you.Ronald, I frankly had not noticed or paid attention to your one prior post in this thread, but I will respond to you.
I grew up in Dispensationalism and was taught somewhat like you wrote: "Russia (Magog) by its leader (Gog) will attack Israel"... I left Dispensationalism, and part of my renewed view meant questioning how "Magog" became Russia, and Russia's leader is "Gog". I was not able to continue in that belief, because I could only find that taught by men, but could not find it in the Bible.
What reasons do you have for believing the biblical "Magog" is Russia with "Gog" as the leader? By the way, I suppose I could not call you "Nutty" since I used to believe the same thing.
You have a unclean Spirit.
Luke chapter 11 documentation on unclean Spirit.
You don't have holy Spirit, and you resent me.
So you, and your wicked brethren harass me.
Your not student of God's word.
Corinthians chapter 4.
god has blinded those who don't believe.
Gospel is veiled to those who will perish.
You, and false brethren don't have holy Spirit.
Unclean Spirit is influencing you.
Demonization is were evil spirit controls the mind.
Oppression is evil spirit controls both body and mind.
You and Arthur have demonization. Evil spirit.
I don't care.
Phillipines chapter 1:28
Difference between perdition and eternal life.
False brethren go through wide gate to hell, Matthew chapter 7
Whether your aware or not, its harassment.
Study with shepherds chapel on YouTube.
Stop bothering me.
Ronald Nolette
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Well it has to do with etymology and history. Just like we know Lub is Libya, Persia is Iran, Gomer is Turkey. Magog is the term used to describe the Caucasus Mountains. Ma-gogh means Gogs high tower.Ronald, I frankly had not noticed or paid attention to your one prior post in this thread, but I will respond to you.
I grew up in Dispensationalism and was taught somewhat like you wrote: "Russia (Magog) by its leader (Gog) will attack Israel"... I left Dispensationalism, and part of my renewed view meant questioning how "Magog" became Russia, and Russia's leader is "Gog". I was not able to continue in that belief, because I could only find that taught by men, but could not find it in the Bible.
What reasons do you have for believing the biblical "Magog" is Russia with "Gog" as the leader? By the way, I suppose I could not call you "Nutty" since I used to believe the same thing.
Magog as the sone of Japheth settled to the North of Israel which is modern Russia. Gog is a title like cesar or emperor (Ez. 38) . gog of Magog is the chief (ROSH) prince of Meshech and Tubal.
Study the History of the name Russia and it works its way back to Rosh.
Meshech and Tubal have become Moscow and Tobolsk.
these are the reasons. Teh same reason why I accept Tarshish and her young lions as Britain and the nations that arose from her like Canada, Australia and the US.
We must remember that the bible events take place here on earth and we can trace the names to find out their modern names like we do with Persia/Iran.
Russia was not the problem when Communism fell apart !
China becoming a problem was a creation of the very wealthy around the world, who only created it's power base ! all would of been fine, but for one thing, China is a Communist Nation ! period !
Why or who created such a problem with Russia ?
Anyone who created the issues with Russia must be a total retard ! Russia was coming along real well, all was good !
The Russians were Free again for once ! never to look back at the total garbage dump that Communism created !
But it's so funny that nowadays the issue with Russia is so serious ! Like, right serious ? Fact was Communist Russia was Serious dude in fact but the West was so gutless that it just dismissed everything that Russian Communist did ! People were being killed by the millions etc bashed up etc and what did the West do ! Nothing at all !
The West were shaking in their boots ! it was like Oh No ! Russia has Nuclear Weapons !
But now it's like Russia ? it's must be on par with New Zealand, one would in fact wonder ! In how the Media play it and even the Australin PM could not give Russia the time of day ! That's how powerful Australia must be ?
Most Australians must think that we are number 3 super power in the world. USA is number one. UK is 2ed and Australia is 3rd ? that's how stupid the majority are. The majority are all gun ho in taking on Russia !
I ask myself why is that ! Is it the MSM that has painted such delusions ?
I am sure that most people nowadays have got no idea about War is all about truly at all in fact. They will be in for a hell of a shock ! Not to mention our Defence Force was run by a total inbreed moron jerk who turned against our own people in the Defence Force and the SAS ! and the majority of Australian swallowed it all ! our Defence Force so quickly became enemy number one in most Australians eyes !
The Majority spat on people coming home from Nam and such was the Media promoting such all ! Some one who was conscriped it did not matter !
If you asked Australians if they would support a 2 or 3 year stint in Defence, it's like hell No ! No way ! I think such would be the best thing for brat kids who out of control. It's like hey brats, if you get caught being a mongrel with lack of regards other people, well you have just signed up for Service ! thank you.
China becoming a problem was a creation of the very wealthy around the world, who only created it's power base ! all would of been fine, but for one thing, China is a Communist Nation ! period !
Why or who created such a problem with Russia ?
Anyone who created the issues with Russia must be a total retard ! Russia was coming along real well, all was good !
The Russians were Free again for once ! never to look back at the total garbage dump that Communism created !
But it's so funny that nowadays the issue with Russia is so serious ! Like, right serious ? Fact was Communist Russia was Serious dude in fact but the West was so gutless that it just dismissed everything that Russian Communist did ! People were being killed by the millions etc bashed up etc and what did the West do ! Nothing at all !
The West were shaking in their boots ! it was like Oh No ! Russia has Nuclear Weapons !
But now it's like Russia ? it's must be on par with New Zealand, one would in fact wonder ! In how the Media play it and even the Australin PM could not give Russia the time of day ! That's how powerful Australia must be ?
Most Australians must think that we are number 3 super power in the world. USA is number one. UK is 2ed and Australia is 3rd ? that's how stupid the majority are. The majority are all gun ho in taking on Russia !
I ask myself why is that ! Is it the MSM that has painted such delusions ?
I am sure that most people nowadays have got no idea about War is all about truly at all in fact. They will be in for a hell of a shock ! Not to mention our Defence Force was run by a total inbreed moron jerk who turned against our own people in the Defence Force and the SAS ! and the majority of Australian swallowed it all ! our Defence Force so quickly became enemy number one in most Australians eyes !
The Majority spat on people coming home from Nam and such was the Media promoting such all ! Some one who was conscriped it did not matter !
If you asked Australians if they would support a 2 or 3 year stint in Defence, it's like hell No ! No way ! I think such would be the best thing for brat kids who out of control. It's like hey brats, if you get caught being a mongrel with lack of regards other people, well you have just signed up for Service ! thank you.
Taken
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Gog Ezekiel 38. Is this Russia and China coming against America near future.
In brief…
Noah’s sons, (birth order);
Japath…descendants - gog - land magog
…………..north….Turkey / Russia
Shem ….descendants - eber -land Israel
…………..Middle East / Scattered
Ham…….descendants - sinite -land sinite
…………..far east, south, south east….Egypt, India, China
It is ALL shall come AGAINST ‘ISRAEL”
Jerusalem…place God established an “everlasting” Throne, and seated David as First King.
Jerusalem, location, ISRAEL…
Same Place….King Lord Jesus’ Future Kingdom and He seated in the “everlasting’ Throne, during the 1,000 year reign…
End of 1,000 years….
Then shall ALL nations come against King Lord Jesus’ KINGDOM…
That ^ Event…will be “instigated” BY satan…TO Magog…(nation to the north)….Russia
Magog (nation) and her people (gog) will “instigate” the joining…
OF OTHER NATIONS (sinites…China….India…Arabs, Egypt….others…spread about with allegiance's to Nations outside of King Lord Jesus’ Kingdom…
Rev 20: (after 1,000 year reign)
[8] And (satan)shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: (against King Lord Jesus’ Kingdom) the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Uh oh…
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Glory to God,
Taken
In brief…
Noah’s sons, (birth order);
Japath…descendants - gog - land magog
…………..north….Turkey / Russia
Shem ….descendants - eber -land Israel
…………..Middle East / Scattered
Ham…….descendants - sinite -land sinite
…………..far east, south, south east….Egypt, India, China
It is ALL shall come AGAINST ‘ISRAEL”
Jerusalem…place God established an “everlasting” Throne, and seated David as First King.
Jerusalem, location, ISRAEL…
Same Place….King Lord Jesus’ Future Kingdom and He seated in the “everlasting’ Throne, during the 1,000 year reign…
End of 1,000 years….
Then shall ALL nations come against King Lord Jesus’ KINGDOM…
That ^ Event…will be “instigated” BY satan…TO Magog…(nation to the north)….Russia
Magog (nation) and her people (gog) will “instigate” the joining…
OF OTHER NATIONS (sinites…China….India…Arabs, Egypt….others…spread about with allegiance's to Nations outside of King Lord Jesus’ Kingdom…
Rev 20: (after 1,000 year reign)
[8] And (satan)shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: (against King Lord Jesus’ Kingdom) the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Uh oh…
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Glory to God,
Taken
Ronald Nolette
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Sorry but Satan does not instigate the Ez. 38 Magog invasion with its limited allies:
38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
The Ez. 38 Magog is a limited number of nations, while rev. 20:
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
All the unsaved from all the nations shall gather with Gog.
These are two separate events if we accept God knows how to inspire His Word.
Taken
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Will purpose any attacks against ISRAEL or the Lord Gods Faithful have Satan’s influence.
Will agree, Two events: Both by strong warriors against God / Gods Faithful. One more limited in force numbers than the Second (Christ’s sword defense). One the people remaining bury the dead. The Second relatively speaking, Mortal Humans become non-existent….no more births, dead body cleanup, animals/birds feast.
God bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
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