Eat my flesh, drink my blood, discerning the body and blood of Christ.

[VictoryinJesus]

I have explained what it means in the OP. The problem is the natural man cannot receive the spiritual things of God because all he knows is what he knows naturally, like natural bread and wine.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

I’ve backed off a lot studying His Word. I do have questions. Things that confuse me to no end. I commented to you on the thread concerning to drink from the cup of the wrath of God. I brought up could drinking from the cup the wrath of God be connected to “him who drinks unworthy from the cup drinks damnation down unto himself not discerning the Lords body”. I take that as in real time in partaking of the Lords “eat of My flesh and drink of My blood” but a warning to examine yourself …

You never replied back. To me the things that knock out the foundation under our projected end times views….Anything out of harmony with our views…we cast out or aside. Allowing for the literal when it works. Allowing for the spiritual when it’s a better fit with our perspective. Here is why I back away from having a perspective. Like many I see in you insight to what you are saying concerning those things are spiritually discerned and the carnal mind wants them to be something carnal. But then I have read your end times perspective and it is baffling to me then you go at it strictly from a carnal mind of an earthly perspective? (Making me question is the post even from the same person that shared others things on these things must be spiritually discerned). Why here but then not staying consistent with “these things are spiritually discerned”. I’m not knocking you. It truly makes me hesitant in my own perspectives…do I blame in some instances someone as being carnally minded and say I’m the one seeing spiritual discerning and then turn around and do the same thing I say of others …when “spiritual discerning” interrupts my end-time views? It honestly makes me wonder why God speaks spiritually in some places and carnally in others and who decides if their interpretation is always consistent with “these things are spiritually discerned”? See…how can we say one thing (shocked or amazed others take it carnally minded) and not even be aware of our own doing the same thing on the next topic? I’m not knocking anyone. I’m seriously trying to wrap my head around our contradictions. Like @Eternally Grateful on here. In this instant it must be spiritually discerned…but then when we have spoke before on other things …um no it’s not meant to be spiritually discerned. None of this makes sense to me how we flip-flop to what ever fits our perspective. Pushing spiritually discerned then go full on literal end times …counting the number of man. Sometimes we even wobble between spiritual meaning in the same verse and the next word is strictly literal…whatever keeps with what we believe, or stays with our opinions. I guess I’m starting to wonder if we all are full of it (contradictions).

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I’ve backed off a lot studying His Word. I do have questions. Things that confuse me to no end. I commented to you on the thread concerning to drink from the cup of the wrath of God. I brought up could drinking from the cup the wrath of God be connected to “him who drinks unworthy from the cup drinks damnation down unto himself not discerning the Lords body”. I take that as in real time in partaking of the Lords “eat of My flesh and drink of My blood” but a warning to examine yourself …

You never replied back. To me the things that knock out the foundation under our projected end times views….Anything out of harmony with our views…we cast out or aside. Allowing for the literal when it works. Allowing for the spiritual when it’s a better fit with our perspective. Here is why I back away from having a perspective. Like many I see in you insight to what you are saying concerning those things are spiritually discerned and the carnal mind wants them to be something carnal. But then I have read your end times perspective and it is baffling to me then you go at it strictly from a carnal mind of an earthly perspective? (Making me question is the post even from the same person that shared others things on these things must be spiritually discerned). Why here but then not staying consistent with “these things are spiritually discerned”. I’m not knocking you. It truly makes me hesitant in my own perspectives…do I blame in some instances someone as being carnally minded and say I’m the one seeing spiritual discerning and then turn around and do the same thing I say of others …when “spiritual discerning” interrupts my end-time views? It honestly makes me wonder why God speaks spiritually in some places and carnally in others and who decides if their interpretation is always consistent with “these things are spiritually discerned”? See…how can we say one thing (shocked or amazed others take it carnally minded) and not even be aware of our own doing the same thing on the next topic? I’m not knocking anyone. I’m seriously trying to wrap my head around our contradictions. Like @Eternally Grateful on here. In this instant it must be spiritually discerned…but then when we have spoke before on other things …um no it’s not meant to be spiritually discerned. None of this makes sense to me how we flip-flop to what ever fits our perspective. Pushing spiritually discerned then go full on literal end times …counting the number of man. Sometimes we even wobble between spiritual meaning in the same verse and the next word is strictly literal…whatever keeps with what we believe, or stays with our opinions. I guess I’m starting to wonder if we all are full of it (contradictions).

I guess I’m noting that as long as I’ve been here we ALL have been on one side of the fence on one topic …then jump on the other side of the fence on another topic. Me included. Makes no sense who decides “yeah I got the truth!”

 

[GodsGrace]

I’ve backed off a lot studying His Word. I do have questions. Things that confuse me to no end. I commented to you on the thread concerning to drink from the cup of the wrath of God. I brought up could drinking from the cup the wrath of God be connected to “him who drinks unworthy from the cup drinks damnation down unto himself not discerning the Lords body”. I take that as in real time in partaking of the Lords “eat of My flesh and drink of My blood” but a warning to examine yourself …

You never replied back. To me the things that knock out the foundation under our projected end times views….Anything out of harmony with our views…we cast out or aside. Allowing for the literal when it works. Allowing for the spiritual when it’s a better fit with our perspective. Here is why I back away from having a perspective. Like many I see in you insight to what you are saying concerning those things are spiritually discerned and the carnal mind wants them to be something carnal. But then I have read your end times perspective and it is baffling to me then you go at it strictly from a carnal mind of an earthly perspective? (Making me question is the post even from the same person that shared others things on these things must be spiritually discerned). Why here but then not staying consistent with “these things are spiritually discerned”. I’m not knocking you. It truly makes me hesitant in my own perspectives…do I blame in some instances someone as being carnally minded and say I’m the one seeing spiritual discerning and then turn around and do the same thing I say of others …when “spiritual discerning” interrupts my end-time views? It honestly makes me wonder why God speaks spiritually in some places and carnally in others and who decides if their interpretation is always consistent with “these things are spiritually discerned”? See…how can we say one thing (shocked or amazed others take it carnally minded) and not even be aware of our own doing the same thing on the next topic? I’m not knocking anyone. I’m seriously trying to wrap my head around our contradictions. Like @Eternally Grateful on here. In this instant it must be spiritually discerned…but then when we have spoke before on other things …um no it’s not meant to be spiritually discerned. None of this makes sense to me how we flip-flop to what ever fits our perspective. Pushing spiritually discerned then go full on literal end times …counting the number of man. Sometimes we even wobble between spiritual meaning in the same verse and the next word is strictly literal…whatever keeps with what we believe, or stays with our opinions. I guess I’m starting to wonder if we all are full of it (contradictions).

Victory,
When someone tells you that something has to be spiritually discerned,
and then quotes verses about beasts and the natural man,
as if they have all the truth,
and you have none,
because, somehow, YOU are NOT spiritual,
it's time to quit speaking to that person.

In my humble opinion, you're in a much better place to serve God than that person is.

 

[GodsGrace]

I guess I’m noting that as long as I’ve been here we ALL have been on one side of the fence on one topic …then jump on the other side of the fence on another topic. Me included. Makes no sense who decides “yeah I got the truth!”

Jesus has the truth.
Follow Jesus and HIS words.
It's not complicated at all.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

John 6 is not a parable.
Do you think so?

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:34
But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I’ve backed off a lot studying His Word. I do have questions. Things that confuse me to no end. I commented to you on the thread concerning to drink from the cup of the wrath of God. I brought up could drinking from the cup the wrath of God be connected to “him who drinks unworthy from the cup drinks damnation down unto himself not discerning the Lords body”. I take that as in real time in partaking of the Lords “eat of My flesh and drink of My blood” but a warning to examine yourself …

You never replied back. To me the things that knock out the foundation under our projected end times views….Anything out of harmony with our views…we cast out or aside. Allowing for the literal when it works. Allowing for the spiritual when it’s a better fit with our perspective. Here is why I back away from having a perspective. Like many I see in you insight to what you are saying concerning those things are spiritually discerned and the carnal mind wants them to be something carnal. But then I have read your end times perspective and it is baffling to me then you go at it strictly from a carnal mind of an earthly perspective? (Making me question is the post even from the same person that shared others things on these things must be spiritually discerned). Why here but then not staying consistent with “these things are spiritually discerned”. I’m not knocking you. It truly makes me hesitant in my own perspectives…do I blame in some instances someone as being carnally minded and say I’m the one seeing spiritual discerning and then turn around and do the same thing I say of others …when “spiritual discerning” interrupts my end-time views? It honestly makes me wonder why God speaks spiritually in some places and carnally in others and who decides if their interpretation is always consistent with “these things are spiritually discerned”? See…how can we say one thing (shocked or amazed others take it carnally minded) and not even be aware of our own doing the same thing on the next topic? I’m not knocking anyone. I’m seriously trying to wrap my head around our contradictions. Like @Eternally Grateful on here. In this instant it must be spiritually discerned…but then when we have spoke before on other things …um no it’s not meant to be spiritually discerned. None of this makes sense to me how we flip-flop to what ever fits our perspective. Pushing spiritually discerned then go full on literal end times …counting the number of man. Sometimes we even wobble between spiritual meaning in the same verse and the next word is strictly literal…whatever keeps with what we believe, or stays with our opinions. I guess I’m starting to wonder if we all are full of it (contradictions).

That is why it is important to seek understanding in God’s words from God alone by faith. The things of the Spirit of God no man knows, but only God; and those to whom God reveals these mysteries to by His Spirit.

I can say God has revealed these things to me by His Spirit, but how is anyone else able to prove it to be of God or not if they themselves do not have the Spirit of God?

So don’t take mens words for it, take God’s Word for it, if so be you have the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[GodsGrace]

That is why it is important to seek understanding in God’s words from God alone by faith. The things of the Spirit of God no man knows, but only God; and those to whom God reveals these mysteries to by His Spirit.

I can say God has revealed these things to me by His Spirit, but how is anyone else able to prove it to be of God or not if they themselves do not have the Spirit of God?

So don’t take mens words for it, take God’s Word for it, if so be you have the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

It's very nice of God to have revealed stuff to you that He reveals to no one else.

Guess it was God that told you He spoke ONLY in parables.
Or maybe that He didn't mean THE LESSON that parables taught to be literal.

Whatever the case, our conversation has ended.

Last word:

I'd be very careful to take the words of Jesus VERY SERIOUSLY.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 6 is not a parable.

Amen, thank you

Do you think so?
Which verses?

None

I've been back and forth on this.
I'm not saying I'm 100% sure like I am of some other theological doctrine.
But, yes, it's either the Real Presence or Transubstantiation, which even Luther believed to be true.

Is it though?

To me it sounds like Jesus means it literally.
And John 6:53 seems to me to be the clincher.
Have you ever done a little study on that verse?
What do you think?

I take the whole conversation.

but we can go back a few verses and see what jesus is saying

48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”


52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

So can you see here, that Jesus is equating the flesh to this "bread from heaven? which he spoke of in vs 48 (and he mentioned it even sooner)

this would be a good start?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:34
But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

John 6 is not a parable..

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

John 6 is not a parable..

Then you disagree with the words of God….

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:34
But without a parable spake he not unto them:and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

 

[GodsGrace]

Amen, thank you

None

Is it though?

I take the whole conversation.

but we can go back a few verses and see what jesus is saying

48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”


52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

So can you see here, that Jesus is equating the flesh to this "bread from heaven? which he spoke of in vs 48 (and he mentioned it even sooner)

this would be a good start?

Of course I see this.
Jesus is the LIVING BREAD.
If any eats OF THIS BREAD, he will live forever.
The bread is the flesh of JESUS...which He'll give for the life of the world.

At the last supper Jesus held the bread in His hands and said
THIS IS MY BODY which will be given up for you.

The next day His body was crucified to a piece of wood.
So HIS BODY = HIS FLESH.
THIS BREAD = HIS BODY.

When some disciples went away because it was a hard saying...
Did Jesus stop them?
No. He made them go away because they couldn't accept what He was saying.

Jesus did NOT correct them and tell them they misunderstood because He didn't mean it literally.

 

[GodsGrace]

Then you disagree with the words of God….

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:34
But without a parable spake he not unto them:and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

For goodness sake,
Did you happen to notice that ALL of Matthew 13 is parables?
Did you ever consider that Jesus spoke in parables to THAT CROWD all afternoon/day long?
This is what Matthew meant in Matthew 13:34

I mean, you really think that JESUS ONLY SPOKE IN PARABLES?
Was He not a divine human being that spoke like other human beings?

Didn't God send Jesus to us to reveal Himself?
Wouldn't this require NOT SPEAKING IN PARABLES at times?

AND
I posted one of the reasons WHY Jesus spoke in parables.
No reply from you.


It's really important to know how to exegete a verse or verses.

Now....why take THAT verse LITERALLY (about speaking only in parables)
and not
John 6:53

Interesting stuff....

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

For goodness sake,
Did you happen to notice that ALL of Matthew 13 is parables?
Did you ever consider that Jesus spoke in parables to THAT CROWD all afternoon/day long?
This is what Matthew meant in Matthew 13:34

I mean, you really think that JESUS ONLY SPOKE IN PARABLES?
Was He not a divine human being that spoke like other human beings?

Didn't God send Jesus to us to reveal Himself?
Wouldn't this require NOT SPEAKING IN PARABLES at times?

AND
I posted one of the reasons WHY Jesus spoke in parables.
No reply from you.


It's really important to know how to exegete a verse or verses.

Now....why take THAT verse LITERALLY (about speaking only in parables)
and not
John 6:53

Interesting stuff....

Pay attention to what is written….

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the (((multitude))) in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto (((them:)))


Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto (((them)))that are without, all these things are done in parables:

 

[GodsGrace]

Pay attention to what is written….

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the (((multitude))) in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto (((them:)))


Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto (((them)))that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Pay attention:

Read my post regarding the above again.
It's the correct rendering of the words of Matthew.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then you disagree with the words of God….

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:34
But without a parable spake he not unto them:and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

so John 3: 16 is a parable?

this is a lousy reason to try to defend any believe of Jesus conversation with the people in John 6

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course I see this.
Jesus is the LIVING BREAD.
If any eats OF THIS BREAD, he will live forever.
The bread is the flesh of JESUS...which He'll give for the life of the world.

Yes, He also Said it was the food which Endure to eternal life. And was different than physical food. Which we can eat all we want, we will still die.

However. I want to focus on the words “live forever” and keep this point

At the last supper Jesus held the bread in His hands and said
THIS IS MY BODY which will be given up for you.

The next day His body was crucified to a piece of wood.
So HIS BODY = HIS FLESH.
THIS BREAD = HIS BODY.

Yes, But did Jesus at any time at the last supper say if you eat this, you will live forever? Or did he on the other hand, Say do this OFTEN “In remembrance of me” as the purpose of eating this “supper”?

When some disciples went away because it was a hard saying...
Did Jesus stop them?
No. He made them go away because they couldn't accept what He was saying.

Or, Jesus told them that. So those who did nto believe would walk way, because your right, they could accept it.. As jesus said, they did not believe, they were there for a handout. Just like Jesus said, You did not come to hear me, you came to get fed.

Jesus did NOT correct them and tell them they misunderstood because He didn't mean it literally.

Peter understood there

Where can we go. YOU HAVE the WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE.

remember, You admitted Jesus was the bread from heaven, that gives life to the world.

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 Butthere are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

That this food which endures forever. This bread from heaven, this flesh and blood. Does it not all represent the words which come from the spirit?

Is it not the same message he has said for the last 3 chapters.

whoever believes (the words) are not condemned
whoever does not believe is condemned already?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

so John 3: 16 is a parable?

Yes, Because God “likened” His Word “like” His only begotten Son.

Many also do not understand this mystery as well.

 

[Marymog]

Jesus taught using parables and similitudes. Just as God spoke by the prophets using similitudes, proverbs, parables, dark sayings etc. God often uses things seen in nature and in the natural world to “liken” them to spiritual things and to describe spiritual truths. But the natural man cannot receive or understand the things of the Spirit.

Paul didn't take it as a parable/similitude: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

So why do you?

 

[Marymog]

At the last supper. Jesus also used the words flesh and blood. only there is a HUGE difference.

whoever eats that flesh and drinks that blood is not told they will receive any of the promises spoken of in John 6,

EG,

Paul referenced the Last Supper, flesh, blood, eating, drinking and what will happen if we eat/drink that flesh/blood in an unworthy manner:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come. 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.

Paul said the promise to those who eat/drink the Lord in a WORTHY manner will not be damned. And, as Jesus said, those who eat/drink Him will have eternal salvation (life).

Eternal salvation = will NOT be damned.

Can you really not see this? Maybe @Grailhunter can see this?

Mary

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, Because God “likened” His Word “like” His only begotten Son.

Many also do not understand this mystery as well.

No, John 3 is not a parable

give me a break.