Q for JW- KIEW?

[Keiw]

I live for the Kingdom. You think you're the only ones who believe in the Kingdom? Keep in mind you learned about the Kingdom from us.

You fail to seek Jehovah's righteousness first. All trinitarians do.

 

[Keiw]

You have answers, but no clue. None of what you have just said makes any scriptural sense. If you stopped and listened to yourself you would see that.

Everything good starts from Jehovah, goes through his son=Jesus, who sends holy spirit to righteous men to get Jehovah's will accomplished.

 

[Keiw]

I'll take Jesus' Word over JW's any day!

I just showed you no trinity religion does Matt 6:33 or teaches it correctly.

 

[Keiw]

Greetings again Keiw,

Daniel 12:4 is not speaking about changing doctrines, because the Truth of the Gospel was preached by Jesus and the Apostles and held by the faithful for the last 2000 years.

What Daniel 12:4 is speaking about is the fact that the details of the events of the Last Days would be difficult for Daniel to understand in his particular time and era, but that in the Last Days as the result of many running to and fro knowledge would increase and a better understanding of these events would be available among the "wise" of the Last Days.

Now if you are among these wise, or the GB are these wise, then if we are already in the Last Days or approaching the Last Days, then you should be able to give a clear explanation of say Daniel 11:40-45, and Daniel 12. Who then is the King of the North of Daniel 11:40-45? Who or what specifically is "the abomination of desolation" of Daniel 12:11. What is the significance of the three time periods of Daniel 12, what do they refer to, when did they start and when do they finish? Is there an official Watchtower article on these things?

Yes, I understand English reasonably well. Do you understand Daniel 11:40-45 and Daniel 12?
Daniel 12:10 (KJV): Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Regarding the King of the North of Daniel 11:40-45, it must be about 40 years ago that I had my second last encounter with a JW on the eve of his retirement. He shared with me in a jovial manner how that he had derided one of my mate's view on Ezekiel 38. My mate claimed that the King from the North of Ezekiel 38 was Russia. But at the time of our conversation, the USSR was in the process of disintegration, and the JW was more or less saying, "What are you going to do now with your understanding of Ezekiel 38?" Nevertheless at that time I held firm to my view, and asked him as to who he thought was the King from the North of Ezekiel 38 and who was the King of the North of Daniel 11:40-45? He did not give me an answer. Now the GB have had another 40 years since then. Have the GB now given a definite answer to who are these entities?

Kind regards
Trevor

You are wrong. It says they would be hidden until these last days=now. Then truth becomes abundant.
Daniel holds the keys to unlocking revelation. Most apostles never read Revelation or had a clue to what it meant. Only the 1 religion Jesus heads knows its meaning.

 

[Keiw]

AGREE

So, why do you hate the LORD Jesus Christ who IS the only ONE who can save your soul???

Jesus is my king, I bow in obesiance daily.
YHWH(Jehovah) is my God.
Jesus is not LORD all capitols of the OT--YHWH(Jehovah) is. Jesus is NEVER called LORD all capitols, only God is but only by men replacing Gods name against his will, by satans will to mislead all using the altered translations. Every spot in OT where GOD or LORD is found( all capitols)God willed YHWH(Jehovah) in all those spots.

 

[Keiw]

Keep on denying the LORD and you will FOREVER FAIL getting thru the only Open DOOR that can SAVE you!!!

Yes Go THROUGH( John 14:6) Jesus to get to the Father-The Father is ones destination to do this-John 4:22-24 ---24/7-365

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Keiw,

You are wrong. It says they would be hidden until these last days=now. Then truth becomes abundant.

What is the "they" that you are talking about? Is it about some or much of the detail concerning End Times events, or is it Doctrine, the Truth of the Gospel? Jesus and the Apostles firmly established the One Faith, the Truth of the Gospel in the First Century, defined in Acts 8:12 for example as the Things concerning the Kingdom of God and the Things concerning the Name of Jesus Christ. No current Organisation has a right to change ANY of this. Now Daniel 12 is not speaking about Doctrine and as a test that you NOW in the Last Days understand what Daniel in his earlier days could not fully understand, I asked for the following test, which you have side-stepped:

Now if you are among these wise, or the GB are these wise, then if we are already in the Last Days or approaching the Last Days, then you should be able to give a clear explanation of say Daniel 11:40-45, and Daniel 12. Who then is the King of the North of Daniel 11:40-45? Who or what specifically is "the abomination of desolation" of Daniel 12:11. What is the significance of the three time periods of Daniel 12, what do they refer to, when did they start and when do they finish? Is there an official Watchtower article on these things?

If truth is now abundant, then please explain the three underlined portions. Also to be honest, you will have to admit that Daniel 11:40-45 DOES NOT fit in with JW Theology, and if you claim it does, then give your explanation of these verses or quote a Watchtower article that adequately explains these verses.

Daniel holds the keys to unlocking revelation. Most apostles never read Revelation or had a clue to what it meant. Only the 1 religion Jesus heads knows its meaning.

Yes, it appears that many of the Apostles died before the Book of Revelation was given, but the Book of Revelation does not alter the Truth of the Gospel revealed by Jesus and all the Apostles. If as you seem to infer that the "Only the 1 religion Jesus heads knows its meaning" is the JW Organisation, then let us firstly test that this Organisation understands what Daniel11:40-45 and Daniel 12 states by answering or quoting the JW understanding of what I have asked.

I mentioned that my second last contact with my JW friend from work was when we discussed the subject of the King from the North of Ezekiel 38 and the King of the North from Daniel11:40-45. This last contact was a brief encounter in the local shopping centre and we stated a few things, but his non-JW wife was getting impatient, and we had to move on. He briefly stated something like "Faithful and Discreet Slave" and at the time I did not have a clue what he was talking about. Some years later I found out that this is the unique NWT of Matthew 24 and that the JWs claim that it is speaking about the JW Organisation.

My understanding of these verses is that it is speaking of the individual responsibility of the faithful to dispense the spiritual food to others, especially it speaks of those who are expositors of the Word of God. In my environment this applies to ALL the speakers on our individual meeting speaking list and scheduled meetings of Sunday Morning Memorial, Sunday Evening Public Seminar and Wednesday Bible Class, and the various visiting speakers that we engage. It is also spiritual guidance and discussion and other activities such as Sunday School and special teenage classes and activities. It is not speaking of a central GB of say 10 men as the JWs claim.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Jack]

I just showed you no trinity religion does Matt 6:33 or teaches it correctly.

Do you need permission from the Governing Body to quote Scripture?

 

[David in NJ]

You fail to seek Jehovah's righteousness first. All trinitarians do.

Do you really believe this or did your controllers tell you???

 

[Jack]

Do you really believe this or did your controllers???

The WatchTower indeed controls JW's! Certainly not Jesus!

 

[Berean]

Everything good starts from Jehovah, goes through his son=Jesus, who sends holy spirit to righteous men to get Jehovah's will accomplished.

And how exactly does Jesus "send holy spirit to righteous men to get Jehovah's will accomplished?" How does that work?

 

[Berean]

You fail to seek Jehovah's righteousness first. All trinitarians do.

Your first mistake is assuming I'm a trinitarian.

 

[Keiw]

Do you need permission from the Governing Body to quote Scripture?

Every true follower knows that scripture by heart. WITHOUT FAIL.

 

[Keiw]

Do you really believe this or did your controllers tell you???

I attended different trinity religions in my day seeking truth. Everyone of them teaches to seek Jesus' righteousness first.

 

[Keiw]

And how exactly does Jesus "send holy spirit to righteous men to get Jehovah's will accomplished?" How does that work?

prayer to his Father.

 

[Keiw]

Your first mistake is assuming I'm a trinitarian.

I hope you aren't

 

[David in NJ]

I attended different trinity religions in my day seeking truth. Everyone of them teaches to seek Jesus' righteousness first.

Is that wrong???

 

[Berean]

I hope you aren't

That's why it's a mistake <sigh>

 

[Keiw]

Is that wrong???

Jesus teaches to seek-HIS(Jehovah) righteousness first-Matt 6:33. All true followers do just that.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus teaches to seek-HIS(Jehovah) righteousness first-Matt 6:33. All true followers do just that.

Boy, that sure took a loooooong time for you to respond.

Matt 6:33 - "But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness,"

Is this the same Kingdom as spoken of in Colossians 1:13 ???

"He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son"