Who are you to say I do not honor him? Like are you my Jesus, to get me to God? I suggest, you may have some really neat beliefs and stuff. You seem nice, but I am being realistic with you. Straightfoward. No games. No playing around.
Cussing issues- what is and what is not?
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Who are you to say I do not honor him? Like are you my Jesus, to get me to God? I suggest, you may have some really neat beliefs and stuff. You seem nice, but I am being realistic with you. Straightfoward. No games. No playing around.
I have the perfect right to say you don't honor God because YOU YOURSELF have stated that it's OK to take His name in vain.
We have rules and laws MatthewG, so we can know WHEN SOMEONE IS BREAKING THEM.
Do you ever get pulled over by a cop?
Why?
BECAUSE YOU'RE BREAKING A RULE OR LAW.
The reality HERE, is that you DO NOT HONOR GOD.
And I'm not the problem...
you'll have to take this up with God.
I have to leave for a while....
if you reply, later.
Bye! Have a good day.
You have no right to judge me. "Yahavah" is the name of God... the proper name... If you wanna disrespect God, use his name profainly as "Yahavah is not good" "Yahavah is evil" those are what define "using God's name in vain." Am I forgiven by showing you an example of this? I would assure you, that you are being really ridiculous over the matter as a whole.
You may have more words to say, but if it is the same thing, I'll just ignore it, and suggest you have a great and wonderful day, in the spirit of faith towards Yahavah, and may the Spirit of Christ indwell you richly.
By the way, do you have the authority to condemn me as though "I do not honor" God? Where do you get such authority? It's not from the bible is it?
- For anyone else who may read this.
It seems that many people do not care for the name of God, or even mentioning his proper name "Yahavah" or YHVH, and I understand we cant pronounce It properly but we can still pronounce it. Like potatoes.
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Aunty Jane
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I was actually referring to the way that those Jews treated the name of God, and how they justified removing it from their speech in order to carry on doing what they always did....offending their God continuously throughout their sad history.....bringing reproach on his name...
I agree that doing anything that brings reproach on God’s name (which in Bible times a “name” also meant your reputation. Eccl 7:1) included all reference to him, but especially his unique name....not a name given to him by man, but a name that he gave himself.
In Exodus 3:13-15 (quoted from the Jewish Tanakh in post #31) the meaning of God’s name is rendered differently to the way most in Christendom interpret it. It is not a declaration of God’s existence, because the Israelites already knew that their God existed, it was an additional meaning of his name in the role that he would use his people to complete in relation to his promise to Abraham......a promise that included “all the nations”, not just Israel. (Gen 22:17-18)
So God’s name in this instance took on deeper meaning than just his existence....it was a declaration of his intentions to “BE” or to “BECOME” whatever was required to complete his purpose in connection with his chosen nation....to produce the promised seed who would save the world. Yet we see that he completed that purpose with great difficulty because of their constant disobedience, and excursions into false worship.
His personal name therefore, was very important.....because it distinguished him from the gods of the nations with whom his people would do battle, in defence of their God-given land.
God’s titles, though they are important and identify him, will never replace his name, which in the Hebrew Scriptures is seen almost 7000 times.....now removed and replaced with his titles in most Bible translations.....that in itself is a slight on his name....something unforgivable in the light of what Yahweh/Jehovah told Moses in Exodus 3:15....
“This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.”
Very few Bibles even attempt to include God’s divine name.
Will we then treat his name with disrespect and fail to use it at all, in the language we speak?
Does God want us to stumble over pronunciation, or does he want us to speak his name in whatever language we were born to speak? Does he not know his name in all languages?
Should it not be used as it was in Bible times....freely and with due reverence?
God has many titles.....but only one name. (Psalm 83:18)
Aunty Jane
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I agree with you on that point Matthew. He does know that we cannot pronounce it correctly because the Jews lost it through their own disobedience.....but that doesn’t mean we should avoid using it at all in the language we speak. I am sure he appreciates all sincere attempts to do so.
I'd have to ask what you believe His real name to be.
Maybe Jehovah.
I knew what you meant in your other post....
I just think that HOWEVER God is referred to, it must be done with honor.
I agree that the bible did not translate the name of God correctly each time and just made it easy
for the translator to use one common name....usually LORD or Lord.
Also, I think I could assume that you men I AM THAT I AM from Exodus.
It certainly does mean...I was, I am, I will be.
Good information in your post...
Yes, agreed.
King David and many others praised Yahweh (English is “Jehovah”… it’s spelled & pronounced differently in other languages); they used it quite often. They were not “taking God’s Name in vain”! In fact, they were honoring it, & were blessed.
Malachi 3:16
i get the concept of just sucking it up and hoping it will go away but by my experience anger gets into you and stays there until it finds a way out. it can be just frustrating week at work and you had no idea how frustrated you were deep inside- until, it finds a way out
and as i see it, its one of few healthy ways to unleash anger- words can hurt and they can keep on poisoning, but the anger has to get out somehow and psychology has no ways to address this natural anger buildup. only acute anger praying and doing cross works on- but the meltdown, the snapping- not so.
as i see it judging is fine as long as youre being rational and not spiteful. being fair. but yet being open to talking to them and not spiting them for- things they cannot choose themselves. i judge people all the time, just to be one step ahead of whatever might be, its hard to surprise me.
as christians we pledge to take the bible seriously, whats left for us to talk about is our interpretation
i may not believe everything in the bible happened exactly as was explained but i know there is truth in it. when i was an atheist i used to make fun of noahs ark
the moral of the story was, surprise surprise- trust in gods plan and work every day of your life towards god as he did slaving day after day away, i entirely neglected the moral of the story or the point, and thats how many people who are very logical fall trap to not becoming christians as they instead focus on pedantic details
but the bible, we must take it seriously regardless of how we do it, we must- otherwise how can one consider themselves christian? just by being a good person? then why not be a vegan.. why not be a feminist? they also think theyre very good people. why not join the army? they also think theyre good people.
Aunty Jane
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I hear you….but modern living it largely to blame for the lack of opportunity to vent constructively….it is usually unleashed destructively.
In man’s past, there were ample opportunities to take out one’s anger on the wood pile. It is said that chopping wood was a great way to get one’s feelings out, and supply warmth for the house at the same time.
When people stopped constructing their own houses, hammering nails and cutting timber also allowed one to physically vent, but in a constructive way. Nowadays anger is usually vented destructively and anyone on the receiving end of today’s “rages” will know how pent up anger can tip a person over the edge of reality and land one in jail, lamenting the fact that they had no constructive way to let it go.
For Christians, learning to control our emotions is part of our education as it says in Galatians 5:19-23…
“Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, 20 idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.”
We are warned about such ”works of the flesh” and the fact that those who cannot control themselves in these areas, will find no place in the Kingdom of God.
The fruitage of God’s spirit will help us to gain that control…..as Paul goes on to say…
“On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.”
Some find it of benefit to work on these qualities, one at a time……others find going to the gym a good release….or getting out into nature is also very calming….city living is not conducive to a peaceful life….we are so separated from God in those settings. The devil will always find ways to rob us of peace….we can find ways to regain it.
Hello Zeth4500. I had a quick look at your posts in this thread. The short story is, you are in bondage, spiritual bondage, which is caused by a demon. How it came into your life has not been noted. It can be generational i.e., someone in authority over you (typically a parent) let that unclean spirit into your family line. And there it has remained (and now intends to likewise inflict others downline from you, or even your wife) because no one knew what it was, or that it needed to be denied access to the family line. And so the "innocent" children suffer for the sins of the parents. Generational demons know alot about you, about your parents, about your grandparents, about your great grandparents. They know alot about how you spend your fun hour. And they like staying put in places where they are masters of the lay of the land i.e. the family line.
Words are not some poorly defined emotional thing. Words have power; it's how we express our spirituality (among other things). We live and die by the words of our mouth.
And there's nothing wrong with anger of itself. It's all about what you decide to do with it. Anger is useful; it's purpose is to spur you on to proper spiritual battle.
Further, "cussing" is not necessarily a sin. When folks think of cussing, they usually equate it with the use of various culturally "vulgar" words. Actually, swearing is using God's name to invoke his power - never to be taken lightly.
As one involved in a deliverance ministry, my suggestion is as follows.
You are dealing not only with demons, but also with curses - some or all of which are not of your own doing (i.e. generational). You can crucify your flesh all day long, but you cannot crucify a demon! Nor can you cast out your flesh! So the order of events is this: First, you crucify your flesh, THEN you cast out the demon(s) (and their curses with them).
It's time to get set free. Are you motivated? Do you truly want to be set free? The question is not rhetorical. Recall the lame man at the pools of Bethesda (read John chap 5), who had his friends carry him to the pools annually, in hopes of being the first into the water after an angel had stirred it up. The first in, was the first to be healed. But he could never be the first one in, because others would always beat him to it. When Jesus saw him, the first thing Jesus said to him was "Do you want to be healed?" To us, it seems like an obvious thing, but IT IS VITAL that you WANT to be healed. Imagine the annual ritual, probably a great deal of partying and revelry, to make that trip with his friends to the pools every year. He had been infirmed for 38 YEARS. IOW, he had become "comfortable" with the trek; he had become habitualized to it all; maybe he didn't want to give it up...
This is not a game, this is spiritual warfare.
I prefer that deliverance take place among other true believers, because I want to be held accountable and I covet their support. But self-deliverance is also a possibility.
Short version:
Your words are the vehicle by which you can effect change in the spiritual realm; we live and die by them. So SPEAK THIS OUT LOUD, so there be no doubt, in a place of no distraction, in your prayer closet.
1- humility
God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. So when you come to him, you must come with an attitude of complete humility. Ask the Holy Spirit to be present with you and to bring to your remembrance all that is necessary for deliverance.
2- confess
God already knows your entire story, but he requires that you bring it into the light. Confess all your sins, known and unknown, to the Lord. Call a spade, a spade - not an agricultural implement. IOW, keep it direct, simple and honest. Don't worry about your dignity; it will return later.
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech...Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (2 Cor. 3:12, 17)
I keep what I call my "Laundry List" - a listing of my sins, everything I can remember, presently about 30 items/sins going all the way back. It's on my thumb drive. I call it a laundry list because laundry will eventually get washed clean! I pray over EVERY item.
3- repent
You must detest your sin. Tell the Lord you hate it. Turn completely away from it.
4-forgive
For many, this is the hardest part because some have been horribly harmed (e.g. rape, incest, etc.). But, if you do not forgive ALL OTHERS, God will not forgive you. Remember that this is NOT an emotion, it is a CHOICE. Yes, you may be holding a lawful I.O.U., but now you are CHOOSING to tear up that I.O.U.!!! Also remember to forgive your forefathers, your ancestors, your rellies, back to the third and fourth generations. Why? Because the sins of the forefathers i.e. those in authority over you, are visited down to the third and fourth generation i.e. to YOU. For example, do you know with certainty that there are no spirits of filthy speech or drunkenness or murder or adultery or witchcraft in your family line? No, you do not, so you must stand in the gap and FORGIVE THEM UNCONDITIONALLY nonetheless. Doing so closes the door to those generational demons, bringing the authority issue up-to-date where the buck now stops with you personally. YOU ARE REMOVING THEIR LEGAL RIGHT TO TORMENT YOU AND YOUR OFFSPRING when you forgive your rellies. The first to forgive is the first to get set free.
Remember that God sees and records all. ALL will be held accountable for their own sins,
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (Rom. 12:19)
5-claim and appropriate his authority, and EXPEL
Claim Jesus Christ as your Saviour AND Lord. Be absolutely certain that you are his.
There is only one thing more powerful that satan and/or his demons, and that is Jesus Christ. When we come into OBEDIENCE thru REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS, then we can effectively appropriate Christ's authority and deal victoriously with the enemy.
Now that you have proclaimed your Authority, you may call out i.e. EXPEL the unclean spirit. You do not need to know its name, but only what it does. Example: In Jesus Christ's name, demon of filthy speech, GET OUT. ("Get out" is precisely the words that Jesus Christ said - simple and to the point.)
In like manner with other bondages: e.g. Demon of rejection, in Jesus' name, GET OUT; demon of pride, GET OUT; demon of pharmakeia/drug use, suicide, sexual impurity; witchcraft; occult; vulgar language; envy; jealousy; fear; etc. etc.
After expelling, give the demon time to come out by not saying anything more, IOW, give it time to come out without blocking it. You can have BELIEVER friends there praying for you, quoting the word of God aloud. If you have friends with you, be sure they are of one accord, i.e. they must be in complete agreement, lest the enemy will take advantage of their lack of unity and perhaps stop the deliverance.
When a demon comes out, you might cough and/or bring up sputum, or yawn widely, or feel a great weight removed, or a brightness experienced, or perhaps nothing noticeable at all. Listen for the Holy Spirit, follow his guidance. Others may get a word of knowledge about the situation from the Lord.
Godspeed, my friend.
Words are not some poorly defined emotional thing. Words have power; it's how we express our spirituality (among other things). We live and die by the words of our mouth.
And there's nothing wrong with anger of itself. It's all about what you decide to do with it. Anger is useful; it's purpose is to spur you on to proper spiritual battle.
Further, "cussing" is not necessarily a sin. When folks think of cussing, they usually equate it with the use of various culturally "vulgar" words. Actually, swearing is using God's name to invoke his power - never to be taken lightly.
As one involved in a deliverance ministry, my suggestion is as follows.
You are dealing not only with demons, but also with curses - some or all of which are not of your own doing (i.e. generational). You can crucify your flesh all day long, but you cannot crucify a demon! Nor can you cast out your flesh! So the order of events is this: First, you crucify your flesh, THEN you cast out the demon(s) (and their curses with them).
It's time to get set free. Are you motivated? Do you truly want to be set free? The question is not rhetorical. Recall the lame man at the pools of Bethesda (read John chap 5), who had his friends carry him to the pools annually, in hopes of being the first into the water after an angel had stirred it up. The first in, was the first to be healed. But he could never be the first one in, because others would always beat him to it. When Jesus saw him, the first thing Jesus said to him was "Do you want to be healed?" To us, it seems like an obvious thing, but IT IS VITAL that you WANT to be healed. Imagine the annual ritual, probably a great deal of partying and revelry, to make that trip with his friends to the pools every year. He had been infirmed for 38 YEARS. IOW, he had become "comfortable" with the trek; he had become habitualized to it all; maybe he didn't want to give it up...
This is not a game, this is spiritual warfare.
I prefer that deliverance take place among other true believers, because I want to be held accountable and I covet their support. But self-deliverance is also a possibility.
Short version:
Your words are the vehicle by which you can effect change in the spiritual realm; we live and die by them. So SPEAK THIS OUT LOUD, so there be no doubt, in a place of no distraction, in your prayer closet.
1- humility
God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. So when you come to him, you must come with an attitude of complete humility. Ask the Holy Spirit to be present with you and to bring to your remembrance all that is necessary for deliverance.
2- confess
God already knows your entire story, but he requires that you bring it into the light. Confess all your sins, known and unknown, to the Lord. Call a spade, a spade - not an agricultural implement. IOW, keep it direct, simple and honest. Don't worry about your dignity; it will return later.
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech...Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (2 Cor. 3:12, 17)
I keep what I call my "Laundry List" - a listing of my sins, everything I can remember, presently about 30 items/sins going all the way back. It's on my thumb drive. I call it a laundry list because laundry will eventually get washed clean! I pray over EVERY item.
3- repent
You must detest your sin. Tell the Lord you hate it. Turn completely away from it.
4-forgive
For many, this is the hardest part because some have been horribly harmed (e.g. rape, incest, etc.). But, if you do not forgive ALL OTHERS, God will not forgive you. Remember that this is NOT an emotion, it is a CHOICE. Yes, you may be holding a lawful I.O.U., but now you are CHOOSING to tear up that I.O.U.!!! Also remember to forgive your forefathers, your ancestors, your rellies, back to the third and fourth generations. Why? Because the sins of the forefathers i.e. those in authority over you, are visited down to the third and fourth generation i.e. to YOU. For example, do you know with certainty that there are no spirits of filthy speech or drunkenness or murder or adultery or witchcraft in your family line? No, you do not, so you must stand in the gap and FORGIVE THEM UNCONDITIONALLY nonetheless. Doing so closes the door to those generational demons, bringing the authority issue up-to-date where the buck now stops with you personally. YOU ARE REMOVING THEIR LEGAL RIGHT TO TORMENT YOU AND YOUR OFFSPRING when you forgive your rellies. The first to forgive is the first to get set free.
Remember that God sees and records all. ALL will be held accountable for their own sins,
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (Rom. 12:19)
5-claim and appropriate his authority, and EXPEL
Claim Jesus Christ as your Saviour AND Lord. Be absolutely certain that you are his.
There is only one thing more powerful that satan and/or his demons, and that is Jesus Christ. When we come into OBEDIENCE thru REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS, then we can effectively appropriate Christ's authority and deal victoriously with the enemy.
Now that you have proclaimed your Authority, you may call out i.e. EXPEL the unclean spirit. You do not need to know its name, but only what it does. Example: In Jesus Christ's name, demon of filthy speech, GET OUT. ("Get out" is precisely the words that Jesus Christ said - simple and to the point.)
In like manner with other bondages: e.g. Demon of rejection, in Jesus' name, GET OUT; demon of pride, GET OUT; demon of pharmakeia/drug use, suicide, sexual impurity; witchcraft; occult; vulgar language; envy; jealousy; fear; etc. etc.
After expelling, give the demon time to come out by not saying anything more, IOW, give it time to come out without blocking it. You can have BELIEVER friends there praying for you, quoting the word of God aloud. If you have friends with you, be sure they are of one accord, i.e. they must be in complete agreement, lest the enemy will take advantage of their lack of unity and perhaps stop the deliverance.
When a demon comes out, you might cough and/or bring up sputum, or yawn widely, or feel a great weight removed, or a brightness experienced, or perhaps nothing noticeable at all. Listen for the Holy Spirit, follow his guidance. Others may get a word of knowledge about the situation from the Lord.
Godspeed, my friend.
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@Zeth4500....I use to have this problem as a young person and basically new to the church body. A lady was talking with me once and I was cussing away until she mentioned that every second word I said was a cuss word. I did not realise that until she mentioned it. It struck me like a revelation. Like God just said that it is not appropriate in his environment. Suddenly I was aware before I spoke anything out of my mouth. I was not aware previously and I began to change my words. You do not need to cuss to string a sentence together, you just need to be aware of who your audience is and respect their space. After a while, you mouth will train it'self with the help of the convicting Holy Spirit and you'll find that those words disappear from your vocabulary. As a matter of fact, it will begin to sound uncomfortable to your ears when others speak that way in front of you.
Be Blessed!
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It most certainly can be considered; but God is still not found within the contents of the book. He is outside of it. I believe the issue is that people start to look at the bible and see Jesus as a character and not a real-life breathing human being. Or Paul was writing to people, but it's just characters.
I have a question about that...
I have heard it said before when you tell the truth about Jesus, people come to you, but the reality is people can also desire to not even be around you.
Was Jesus, judgmental to all the cussing people which he had ate food with, like the Pharisees were judgmental towards him for even being there to begin with.
Sure, you can eliminate vocabulary from your usage but it doesn't make you anymore faithful. It doesn't make you look any better in front of Yahavah, just because you do or do not use a slang word...
It's just language... whether or not you use it is up to you. Whether or not it offends you is not the fault of the other person is it? Just really curious @Angelina. I suppose if you have addressed it with them one on one, they may choose not to use those words around one but I don't get how people believe they are saved by ...
not using cuss words,
not drinking coffee,
holding the sabbath day,
going to homeless shelters to provide food,
when they are saved by faithful... believing that Yahavah even exists, and they are saved to the Kingdom in and through Yeshua.
Etc... I get it, the more we draw near Yahavah, the more we exhibit his character (mind/heart/soul), but those are from him the Holy Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ within us, and not from us ourselves.
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Hi brother @MatthewG it's not really about being faithful but rather about personal sanctification. God was leading me to a place of no-longer being like the person (me) who came out of the world. I do not think that Jesus had a problem with non believers cussing around him if they ever did.
I think that without his presence, they would not be able to see the difference between their world and his world and how much he loved them. Sanctification is the process that the Holy Spirit leads you through as a new believer. Someone who has accepted the salvation message by faith and recieved forgiveness of past sins and are walking towards being more like God and less like the world. Someone that has the Holy Spirit dwelling within them and convicts you of something that you are unaware of and helps you through it.... Be Blessed!
It took practice for me to swear and it took practice to stop....
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Right, but that "personal" sanctification, shouldn't make us look down on others. I get what you are saying in the end it is ultimately up to the person, that is for sure. It didn't take practice to cuss, you just had to say the word. But none-the-less. The older we get, surely the less rambunctious we become. It still doesn't mean that wolves can't hide in sheep's clothing... sometimes it's not even the cuss words that cause a problem...
It's mental abuse,
or psychical,
the downing of others,
hoping your neighbor's car dies, because it is loud and wakes you up,
or their dog dies because it barks and wakes you up,
Keeping secrets not meant to be kept,
The lust,
obsession,
Getting mad, at someone needing help calling at 11pm, and you just had went to sleep,
etc... Those are issues just as well.
It is most certainly that heart... isn't it?
Well I don't think I said that personal sanctification had made me look down on others? People still cussed around me after dealing with that issue in my life however, it was painful to my ears because it had been removed from me. It had changed the way I heard it but that did not mean I rejected my friends who still talked that way. As a matter of fact, the changes in me became so obvious and pronounced that they also stopped cussing and eventually all my friends became cuss free lol!
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