Amigo's Question and Answer Thread

[amigo de christo]

I think we approach the study of Scripture with different hermeneutics. Some people simply read, while others engage in deeper study.

Different Methods of Studying the Bible:

**1. Literal/Grammatical-Historical Method
Focus: Understanding the text by considering its plain meaning in its original historical and cultural context. This method emphasizes the author's intended meaning, the grammatical structure, and historical background.
Application: Often used in traditional evangelical circles to interpret Scripture based on the belief that the Bible should be taken at face value unless context clearly indicates a figurative meaning.

**2. Expository Method
Focus: In-depth analysis of specific passages or books of the Bible, verse by verse, to extract meaning and application.
Application: Commonly used in preaching and teaching to unpack the meaning of a passage in a systematic way, often integrating historical context and theological themes.

**3. Topical/Thematic Study
Focus: Studying the Bible by focusing on specific topics or themes across different books and passages, such as grace, faith, or the character of God.
Application: Useful for understanding what the entire Bible says about a particular subject, leading to a more holistic understanding of biblical teachings.

**4. Allegorical Method
Focus: Interpreting the Bible by finding deeper, often symbolic or spiritual, meanings behind the literal words. This method is rooted in the belief that Scripture has multiple layers of meaning.
Application: Historically used in early Christian writings and in some theological traditions to draw out moral or spiritual lessons that go beyond the literal sense of the text.

**5. Devotional Method
Focus: Using the Bible for personal edification and spiritual growth, often involving reading short passages and reflecting on how they apply to one's life.
Application: Common in personal or small group Bible studies, where the focus is on drawing closer to God and applying biblical principles in daily living.

**6. Inductive Bible Study
Focus: Engaging with the text through observation (what does the text say?), interpretation (what does the text mean?), and application (how does the text apply to my life?).
Application: Encourages a hands-on approach to Bible study, allowing the text to speak for itself before consulting commentaries or other resources.

**7. Canonical/Theological Method
Focus: Interpreting the Bible with an emphasis on its unity and the theological themes that run throughout Scripture. This method views the Bible as a coherent whole, with an emphasis on the progression of revelation and the unfolding of God's plan.
Application: Often used by theologians and scholars who seek to understand how different parts of the Bible contribute to overarching theological concepts, such as covenant, kingdom, or redemption.

**8. Historical-Critical Method
Focus: Analyzing the Bible by examining its historical context, sources, and literary forms. This method often involves questioning traditional interpretations and considering the human element in the writing of Scripture.
Application: Common in academic and liberal theological circles, where the emphasis is on understanding the Bible within its historical context and recognizing the influence of culture, politics, and religion on its composition.
These methods reflect different hermeneutical approaches to Scripture, each with its own emphasis and application. Depending on one's perspective and goals, different methods can offer unique insights into the Bible's meaning and relevance.

This will work better my friend .
Rather than telling me my approach , hermenitics is different .
SHOW me my error . Show me where i am wrong . use simple plain words IN said BIBLE to show me my error .
Because others who i Know teach falsehoods , NOT SAYING YOU , have said the same thing to me
That my exogegis or hermenuties or etc is off . And yet even their own so called stuff
contradicts one the other . SO HOW are we gonna know who is right or wrong .
SHOW THE Person his or her error . Dont just say things like you hermeutics or etc is off
SHOW THEM the ERROR . now lets go back to what i orginally wrote that you responded too .
And you show me by the bible where i am wrong . And i will show you by the bible where i might just be right .
This is the only way things are gonna get cleared up .
If you love me , show me my error , just as if i love you i would show you yours .
LETS do this through the bible itself .

 

[amigo de christo]

Israel received her kingdom back in 1948.......but it isn't necessarily all for good because sadly they still reject their true Messiah (except for a remnant). They are still looking for an earthly kingdom ruled by an earthly messiah king which is what caused them to reject Jesus when He came the first time. We must not follow them. Jesus tried to correct their wrong thinking...telling them the truth that His kingdom comes not with careful observation that we can say lo here it is or lo there....but it is within/among us.

This might help to clear it up . Israel did not recieve her kingdom back in nineteen forty eight .
What isreal did was return to the land .
but that kingdom is still not the KINGDOM of GOD of HEAVEN .
oh i know what you meant sister .
But the truth is , while the jews might now be back in the LAND , the LAND
that kingdom is still under the darkness and sway of satan . And i know you know that .
SO the better way of saying it is , the jews are coming back into the land . BUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
many have not yet COME TOO . Earthly jersualem is every bit in bondage
as it was in pauls days . That kingdom is still in bondage , but the heavenly KINGDOM we must preach to them and to the gentiles
WE must continue to do so . cause that kingdom we see right now . IT TOO gonna be destroyed as will all on the DAY of
the LORD .
But i do know what you are trying to say sister and to imply . I just thought it better to explain it a bit more .
THE JEWS are coming back to the LAND . but not all the jews are JEWS
and the KINGDOM they have established and built , STILL IS NOT THE KINGDOM OF GOD .
That one is still heavenly . actually we are about to witness a total deceptoin once again COME OUT of earthly jerusalem
who is under the influence of the dark one and the RCC and etc . THIS KINGDOM they build
is of darkness sister . NOT all of israel IS STILL NOT OF ISRAEL either .
You might want to duck out of this conversation cause i am sure a lot of folks that read this
are about to hurl some serious stones at me . MEN aer too in love WITH THE EARTHLY and NOT THE HEAVENLY .

 

[Johann]

Love sure does warn . so now lets examine something .
When i warn against the deadly dangerous place , such as the RCC , catholic church
To COME out of her . That aint judgmental or hateful .
OH i dont accuse anyone in it , I just say COME THE HECK OUT OF IT .
as i would the mormon camp , the JW , yeah i said JW too .
But just cause i warn against such places , somehow that makes me the extermist and enemy .
I dont condemn one mormon , one catholic , one jw or adventist or anyone .
BUT no man gonna stop me from warning anyone in dangerous places that teach deadly doctine
THEY GOT NO business in said place , nor TRYING TO UNIFY and find common ground with such .
Rather WARN a brother or sister . THAT is what i do .
SO allow me some parting words . and this is not to accuse anyone who might be influenced by it
but rather to warn them . THE ALL INCLUSIVE COMMON GROUND UNITY is OF SATAN . THERE i said it .
But i said it cause i i love the people and they better get back into the BIBLE for Themselves .

As if the lambs are NOT going to and remain in the Scriptures and search the Scriptures to see if these things are thus-I have nothing against you or @Marvelloustime but I do feel drained every time you respond with such vehemence.

Matthew 7:1-2: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

John 7:24: "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

James 4:11-12: "Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and

Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 2:1: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

Romans 14:13: "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

1 Corinthians 4:5: "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God."

Galatians 6:1: "Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

 

[Johann]

This will work better my friend .
Rather than telling me my approach , hermenitics is different .
SHOW me my error . Show me where i am wrong . use simple plain words IN said BIBLE to show me my error .
Because others who i Know teach falsehoods , NOT SAYING YOU , have said the same thing to me
That my exogegis or hermenuties or etc is off . And yet even their own so called stuff
contradicts one the other . SO HOW are we gonna know who is right or wrong .
SHOW THE Person his or her error . Dont just say things like you hermeutics or etc is off
SHOW THEM the ERROR . now lets go back to what i orginally wrote that you responded too .
And you show me by the bible where i am wrong . And i will show you by the bible where i might just be right .
This is the only way things are gonna get cleared up .
If you love me , show me my error , just as if i love you i would show you yours .
LETS do this through the bible itself .

Easy--

Matthew 7:1-2: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

John 7:24: "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

James 4:11-12: "Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and

Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 2:1: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

Romans 14:13: "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

1 Corinthians 4:5: "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God."

Galatians 6:1: "Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct Sister-and praise God for His mercy and grace.

Romans 13:10: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."

Romans 7:12: "So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good."

Colossians 2:17: "These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

Jeremiah 31:33: "'This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,' declares the LORD. 'I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.'"

Romans 7:6: "But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

Matthew 5:7: "Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy."

John 15:12: "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."

As I HAVE LOVED YOU . did HIS LOVE let his own remain in error or DID HE CORRECT THEM .
Love corrects . and if we think grave words are wrong
then allow me to SHOW you what JESUS TOLD THOSE HE LOVED . what he even told PETER
when peter tried to rebuke him and say OH LORD this shall not come upon you .
Take note . sit down and read this .
What did JESUS say to peter .
A . oh peter thank you for seeming so loving and trying to look out for my welfare .
B . peter , your right , may this not come to pass upon me .
C . GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN for you savour not the THINGS OF GOD but the things of men .
I might not be the extremist and monster a lot of folks think me to be just cause i am grave and do warn .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Love sure does warn . so now lets examine something .
When i warn against the deadly dangerous place , such as the RCC , catholic church
To COME out of her . That aint judgmental or hateful .
OH i dont accuse anyone in it , I just say COME THE HECK OUT OF IT .
as i would the mormon camp , the JW , yeah i said JW too .
But just cause i warn against such places , somehow that makes me the extermist and enemy .
I dont condemn one mormon , one catholic , one jw or adventist or anyone .
BUT no man gonna stop me from warning anyone in dangerous places that teach deadly doctine
THEY GOT NO business in said place , nor TRYING TO UNIFY and find common ground with such .
Rather WARN a brother or sister . THAT is what i do .
SO allow me some parting words . and this is not to accuse anyone who might be influenced by it
but rather to warn them . THE ALL INCLUSIVE COMMON GROUND UNITY is OF SATAN . THERE i said it .
But i said it cause i i love the people and they better get back into the BIBLE for Themselves .

 

[Marvelloustime]

As I HAVE LOVED YOU . did HIS LOVE let his own remain in error or DID HE CORRECT THEM .
Love corrects . and if we think grave words are wrong
then allow me to SHOW you what JESUS TOLD THOSE HE LOVED . what he even told PETER
when peter tried to rebuke him and say OH LORD this shall not come upon you .
Take note . sit down and read this .
What did JESUS say to peter .
A . oh peter thank you for seeming so loving and trying to look out for my welfare .
B . peter , your right , may this not come to pass upon me .
C . GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN for you savour not the THINGS OF GOD but the things of men .
I might not be the extremist and monster a lot of folks think me to be just cause i am grave and do warn .

Judging / correcting someone is completely different to condemning someone. Let the Lord be praised.

 

[Johann]

As I HAVE LOVED YOU . did HIS LOVE let his own remain in error or DID HE CORRECT THEM .
Love corrects . and if we think grave words are wrong
then allow me to SHOW you what JESUS TOLD THOSE HE LOVED . what he even told PETER
when peter tried to rebuke him and say OH LORD this shall not come upon you .
Take note . sit down and read this .
What did JESUS say to peter .
A . oh peter thank you for seeming so loving and trying to look out for my welfare .
B . peter , your right , may this not come to pass upon me .
C . GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN for you savour not the THINGS OF GOD but the things of men .
I might not be the extremist and monster a lot of folks think me to be just cause i am grave and do warn .

Matthew 7:1-2: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."


John 7:24: "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

James 4:11-12: "Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 2:1: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

Romans 14:13: "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

1 Corinthians 4:5: "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God."

Galatians 6:1: "Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

 

[amigo de christo]

As if the lambs are NOT going to and remain in the Scriptures and search the Scriptures to see if these things are thus-I have nothing against you or @Marvelloustime but I do feel drained every time you respond with such vehemence.

Matthew 7:1-2: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

John 7:24: "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

James 4:11-12: "Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and

Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 2:1: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

Romans 14:13: "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

1 Corinthians 4:5: "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God."

Galatians 6:1: "Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

My responses are serious , YES , grave yes . but not hateful .
And i do study the scrips daily . I have done much research my friend . Did my own homework in the library itself
for hours and for years . But i dont want to say that so as anyone will think i am something great or wise .
Rather just to respond to let you know I DO and i have . so now
the only way we gonna have a break through . We have to do it through the simple scriptures .
SHOW me my error . i have not yet once accused you , said to you , you are extreme , you are this or that .
I have tried to just get us to sit down and talk to one another . Sure i do understand why you might have
seen what i first said as an attack , EVEN though it was not . But if you would slow down
and really see what i have been saying to you , ITS THIS . I am not saying TO LEARN GREEK or HEBREW is wrong .
I am saying if anyone tries to use that mindset and say things like
one cannot learn or know the bible lest they do sit under such
or that somehow the older writers of the kjv , geneva , wycliff or tyndale
DIDNT have the knowledge of greek we do today , TO RUN FROM THEM .
THIS IS a means to get the trust of men OFF the scrips and onto men and scholars .
AND it is a means by which MANY , i never said you , but many ARE DECEIVING the people .

 

[Johann]

Judging / correcting someone is completely different to condemning someone. Let the Lord be praised.

The Scriptures says otherwise.
Yeah-Let the Lord Christ Jesus be praised and eulogized Olam Olam!

 

[amigo de christo]

Matthew 7:1-2: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."


John 7:24: "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

James 4:11-12: "Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 2:1: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

Romans 14:13: "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

1 Corinthians 4:5: "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God."

Galatians 6:1: "Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

but who is judging who by appearance . i never once accused you of anything .
I never said once you are extreme , you are this or that .
ALL i said was LETS do this through the bible itself .
Think about that . You somehow think i have been accusing you.
Yet how often i have said , NOT SAYING YOU .
The bible can easily be learned if a man never knew hebrew or greek .
that is a fact .
BUT I do not say that it cannot BE USED TO HELP . and i do say MANY MEN ARE DECIEVING the people
through the greek , through the hermenuitics , through their commentaries and etc .
Now this is a fact johann .
I have watched it . group a says this , group b says this , they all claim the right hermenuetice exogies and etc
and yet they twisted the scrips . THAT IS A FACT johann .

 

[Marvelloustime]

but who is judging who by appearance . i never once accused you of anything .
I never said once you are extreme , you are this or that .
ALL i said was LETS do this through the bible itself .
Think about that . You somehow think i have been accusing you.
Yet how often i have said , NOT SAYING YOU .
The bible can easily be learned if a man never knew hebrew or greek .
that is a fact .
BUT I do not say that it cannot BE USED TO HELP . and i do say MANY MEN ARE DECIEVING the people
through the greek , through the hermenuitics , through their commentaries and etc .
Now this is a fact johann .
I have watched it . group a says this , group b says this , they all claim the right hermenuetice exogies and etc
and yet they twisted the scrips . THAT IS A FACT johann .

 

[Johann]

My responses are serious , YES , grave yes . but not hateful .
And i do study the scrips daily . I have done much research my friend . Did my own homework in the library itself
for hours and for years . But i dont want to say that so as anyone will think i am something great or wise .
Rather just to respond to let you know I DO and i have . so now
the only way we gonna have a break through . We have to do it through the simple scriptures .
SHOW me my error . i have not yet once accused you , said to you , you are extreme , you are this or that .
I have tried to just get us to sit down and talk to one another . Sure i do understand why you might have
seen what i first said as an attack , EVEN though it was not . But if you would slow down
and really see what i have been saying to you , ITS THIS . I am not saying TO LEARN GREEK or HEBREW is wrong .
I am saying if anyone tries to use that mindset and say things like
one cannot learn or know the bible lest they do sit under such
or that somehow the older writers of the kjv , geneva , wycliff or tyndale
DIDNT have the knowledge of greek we do today , TO RUN FROM THEM .
THIS IS a means to get the trust of men OFF the scrips and onto men and scholars .
AND it is a means by which MANY , i never said you , but many ARE DECEIVING the people .

I have shown you the Scriptures-
Matthew 7:1-2: "Do not judge (κρίνετε, krinete), or you too will be judged (κριθήσεσθε, krithēsesthe). For in the same way you judge (κρίνετε, krinete) others, you will be judged (κριθήσεσθε, krithēsesthe), and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

John 7:24: "Stop judging (κρίνετε, krinete) by mere appearances, but instead judge (κρίνατε, krinate) correctly."

James 4:11-12: "Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges (κρίνων, krinōn) them speaks against the law and judges (κρίνει, krinei) it. When you judge (κρίνων, krinōn) the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge (κριτής, kritēs), the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge (κρίνων, krinōn) your neighbor?"

Romans 2:1: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment (κρίνων, krinōn) on someone else, for at whatever point you judge (κρίνεις, krineis) another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment (κρίνων, krinōn) do the same things."

Romans 14:13: "Therefore let us stop passing judgment (κρίνωμεν, krinōmen) on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

1 Corinthians 4:5: "Therefore judge (κρίνετε, krinete) nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God."

Galatians 6:1: "Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted." (Here, "judge" is not explicitly mentioned, but the concept of correction is implied. The Greek word for "restore" here is καταρτίζετε (katartizete), which means to mend or repair.) Gently!

1 Corinthians 5:12-13: "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. 'Expel the wicked person from among you.'"

1 Corinthians 6:2-3: "Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!"

Matthew 18:15-17: "If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector."

Galatians 6:1: "Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted."

 

[Johann]

but who is judging who by appearance . i never once accused you of anything .
I never said once you are extreme , you are this or that .
ALL i said was LETS do this through the bible itself .
Think about that . You somehow think i have been accusing you.
Yet how often i have said , NOT SAYING YOU .
The bible can easily be learned if a man never knew hebrew or greek .
that is a fact .
BUT I do not say that it cannot BE USED TO HELP . and i do say MANY MEN ARE DECIEVING the people
through the greek , through the hermenuitics , through their commentaries and etc .
Now this is a fact johann .
I have watched it . group a says this , group b says this , they all claim the right hermenuetice exogies and etc
and yet they twisted the scrips . THAT IS A FACT johann .

And I just show you what the Scripture says--Do not to judge-not to pass judgement before the time and I don't say you are CONDEMNING others and now you paddle backward, on the defensive-why?
Scripture is clear-right?

You might have missed these Scrips. And now you are playing the fox with me.
Do you have a good reading comprehension?

 

[amigo de christo]

The Scriptures says otherwise.
Yeah-Let the Lord Christ Jesus be praised and eulogized Olam Olam!

you might want to explain that one .
because if correcting one is condmening then you just silenced the mouth of CHRIST and every apostel that did so correct
the church , johann they were quite serious against sin in the church .
SO i am just asking you to explain what You mean by this .

 

[Johann]

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Let's see if you are right-quoting a verse here a little-there a little, that's called eisegesis.

In Leviticus 19:17, the Hebrew word for "rebuke" is תוֹכִיחַ (tōkhiakh). The root of this word is יָכַח (yakach), which generally means to reprove, correct, or argue. The form in Leviticus 19:17 is a verb in the Hifil stem, which is causative, implying that one should cause the other to be reproved or corrected.

The verse in Hebrew is as follows:

לֹא־תִשְׂנָ֤א אֶת־אָחִ֙יךָ֙ בִּלְבָבֶ֔ךָ הוֹכֵ֤חַ תּוֹכִ֙יחַ֙ אֶת־עֲמִיתֶ֔ךָ וְלֹ֥א תִשָּׂ֖א עָלָ֥יו חֵֽטְא׃

Here, "rebuke" (תוֹכִיחַ) is in the imperative form, commanding the act of correction.

Leviticus 19:17 is part of a section in the Bible that gives the Israelites rules for living a holy life. This verse focuses on how people should treat each other in their community.

Here’s what it means:

Don’t Hate: The verse starts by saying you shouldn’t hate someone in your heart. Instead of holding onto bad feelings, you should deal with the situation.

Correct with Care: If someone is doing something wrong, you have a responsibility to speak up and correct them. This should be done in a caring way, not to hurt or embarrass them, but to help them do the right thing.

Don’t Share in Their Guilt: If you stay silent and don’t correct someone, you might be seen as sharing in their wrongdoing. Speaking up is a way to prevent sin from spreading in the community.

Overall, the verse teaches that caring for others sometimes means gently correcting them, and that staying silent can be harmful to both you and the person doing wrong.

Speaking to whom?

Now what does the New Testament say?

 

[Hepzibah]

Matthew 7:1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Jesus is talking here about being a hypocrite - judging others when you are sinning yourself.

It does not say never judge, it says be ye perfect then ye shall judge correctly.

The church is wrong when it bans judging outright.

 

[Johann]

you might want to explain that one .
because if correcting one is condmening then you just silenced the mouth of CHRIST and every apostel that did so correct
the church , johann they were quite serious against sin in the church .
SO i am just asking you to explain what You mean by this .

3x I have posted you the Scriptures-3x you missed it and I did say you are NOT condemning BUT--4th time now and let's see if you GET it.


Leviticus 19:17 (Old Testament)

Verse: "You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him." (NKJV)
Explanation: This verse emphasizes the responsibility to correct someone when they are wrong, doing so out of love and concern rather than hatred.
Matthew 18:15-17 (New Testament)

Verses: "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.' And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector." (NKJV)
Explanation: Jesus provides a step-by-step guide for dealing with a brother who sins. The process begins privately, then involves witnesses, and finally, if necessary, the church community.

Galatians 6:1

Verse: "Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted." (NKJV)
Explanation: Paul instructs believers to restore a brother caught in sin gently and humbly, being mindful of YOUR own vulnerabilities.
James 5:19-20

Verses: "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins." (NKJV)
Explanation: James emphasizes the importance of turning a brother back to the truth, highlighting the spiritual impact of such an action.
2 Timothy 2:24-25

Verses: "And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth." (NKJV)
Explanation: Paul advises Timothy to correct others with gentleness and humility, trusting that God will lead them to repentance.
Hebrew and Greek Meanings of "Judge"

Hebrew: שָׁפַט (Shaphat)

Meaning: In the Old Testament, "judge" is often translated from the Hebrew root שָׁפַט (shaphat), which means to govern, judge, or render a verdict. It implies the act of discerning right from wrong, often in a legal or moral sense.

Greek: κρίνω (Krino)

Meaning: In the New Testament, "judge" is commonly translated from the Greek word κρίνω (krino), which also means to separate, decide, or judge. It can refer to making a decision, discerning between good and evil, or passing judgment.
Application in Context
In the context of correcting a brother, "judging" involves discernment and the responsibility to address wrongdoing. However, scripture also warns against hypocritical or harsh judgment:

Matthew 7:1-5: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?" (NKJV)
Explanation: Jesus teaches that judgment should be done with self-awareness and humility, avoiding hypocrisy.

 

[amigo de christo]

3x I have posted you the Scriptures-3x you missed it and I did say you are NOT condemning BUT--4th time now and let's see if you GET it.


Leviticus 19:17 (Old Testament)

Verse: "You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him." (NKJV)
Explanation: This verse emphasizes the responsibility to correct someone when they are wrong, doing so out of love and concern rather than hatred.
Matthew 18:15-17 (New Testament)

Verses: "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.' And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector." (NKJV)
Explanation: Jesus provides a step-by-step guide for dealing with a brother who sins. The process begins privately, then involves witnesses, and finally, if necessary, the church community.

Galatians 6:1

Verse: "Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted." (NKJV)
Explanation: Paul instructs believers to restore a brother caught in sin gently and humbly, being mindful of YOUR own vulnerabilities.
James 5:19-20

Verses: "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins." (NKJV)
Explanation: James emphasizes the importance of turning a brother back to the truth, highlighting the spiritual impact of such an action.
2 Timothy 2:24-25

Verses: "And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth." (NKJV)
Explanation: Paul advises Timothy to correct others with gentleness and humility, trusting that God will lead them to repentance.
Hebrew and Greek Meanings of "Judge"

Hebrew: שָׁפַט (Shaphat)

Meaning: In the Old Testament, "judge" is often translated from the Hebrew root שָׁפַט (shaphat), which means to govern, judge, or render a verdict. It implies the act of discerning right from wrong, often in a legal or moral sense.

Greek: κρίνω (Krino)

Meaning: In the New Testament, "judge" is commonly translated from the Greek word κρίνω (krino), which also means to separate, decide, or judge. It can refer to making a decision, discerning between good and evil, or passing judgment.
Application in Context
In the context of correcting a brother, "judging" involves discernment and the responsibility to address wrongdoing. However, scripture also warns against hypocritical or harsh judgment:

Matthew 7:1-5: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?" (NKJV)
Explanation: Jesus teaches that judgment should be done with self-awareness and humility, avoiding hypocrisy.

so now i do have another question .
Do you see me as doing this pattern or do you think i am not doing that pattern . cause you are correct
on this . IF someone does me wrong , sins against ME , i take it to them .and them alone .
And not because i am angry at them , but for their own good that they themselves repent of the wrong .
There are cases however , when people are in sin , that sin is not against me .
But still they are in sin . What do you think paul wrote to titus .
Those who sin REBUKE before all that others may fear .
Save some with compassion and others with fear hating even the garment spotted by the flesh . Jude wrote the latter one .
You see if one is simply in sin , depending on HOW i am led is how i am going to warn .
But as far as if one sins against me personally , you bet i aint gonna gosspip or etc , I GO to them and them alone .

 

[Johann]

so now i do have another question .
Do you see me as doing this pattern or do you think i am not doing that pattern . cause you are correct
on this . IF someone does me wrong , sins against ME , i take it to them .and them alone .
And not because i am angry at them , but for their own good that they themselves repent of the wrong .
There are cases however , when people are in sin , that sin is not against me .
But still they are in sin . What do you think paul wrote to titus .
Those who sin REBUKE before all that others may fear .
Save some with compassion and others with fear hating even the garment spotted by the flesh . Jude wrote the latter one .
You see if one is simply in sin , depending on HOW i am led is how i am going to warn .
But as far as if one sins against me personally , you bet i aint gonna gosspip or etc , I GO to them and them alone .

There are times when you seem to be edging towards a downward slope. Just my observation and personally-I don't think we are qualified to judge correctly-with discernment since we ourselves are still prone to sin and we ourselves don't know what is in the heart of others.

this a listen.


Scriptures on Judgment in the Church and Greek Meanings
1 Corinthians 5:12-13

Verses: "For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore 'put away from yourselves the evil person.'" (NKJV)
Greek Meaning:
Judge (κρίνω, krino): To separate, decide, or judge; to discern or pass judgment.
1 Corinthians 6:1-5

Verses: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?" (NKJV)
Greek Meaning:
Judge (κρίνω, krino): To separate, decide, or judge; to discern or pass judgment.
Addressing Sin and Correction


Personal Offenses: As you correctly follow, when someone sins against you, the Bible advises that you address it directly with them, in private, as taught in Matthew 18:15. This is to seek reconciliation and their repentance, ensuring that personal issues are handled with integrity and without gossip.

Public or Unrepentant Sin: When sin is not personally against you but is evident within the church community, the New Testament provides guidance on handling such situations. Paul's letters, particularly to Titus and Jude, emphasize different approaches based on the nature of the sin and the context:

Titus 1:13; 2:15: "This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith" (NKJV). Paul instructs Titus to rebuke false teachers and those in error sharply to maintain the purity of the doctrine.

1 Timothy 5:20: "Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear" (NKJV). This public rebuke serves as a deterrent to others and underscores the seriousness of the sin.

Jude 1:23: "But others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh" (NKJV). Jude advocates a more urgent and cautious approach, reflecting the need to address serious issues with both compassion and firmness.

The question is-Do you deem yourself qualified as such?