Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[CTK]

There is no mention of the cross in the verses associated with the AOD in Matthew, Mark, or Luke.

It is true that the AOD was judgment and punishment for Israel's rejection of Messiah, which included sending Him to the cross.

However, Luke specifically identifies the AOD as the armies which desolated Jerusalem.

The abomination that causes the complete desolation of the Jews with their God for the next 2000 years was their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah. Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 is spoken by Jesus and He is telling His disciples that when you see the AOD standing or where it ought not be standing..... Jesus is telling them they will indeed see this abomination take place. They should look to the Book of Daniel to understand what that means.... Is Jesus directing us back to 9:27 - and on the wing of abomination, shall be one who makes desolate?

This certainly is not an end time event and it certainly can not mean the destruction of or defilement of any physical structure, Temple, Sanctuary etc. God had already shown us the complete destruction of everything by the Babyloinians.... and after the cross, the Temple, the Sanctuary, the 4 Spring feast days, the offerings and sacrifices, etc., which were a "type and shadow" of things to come have now been fulfilled by the Messiah. They are no longer needed within His plan of salvation. In fact, God would allow the Jews to continue worshipping in their Temple, and continue their sacrifices and offerings for another 40 years after the cross - this was another symbolic 40 years in the desert. They would continue but it was all meaningless since the Messiah had indeed come and they rejected Him. After those 40 years, God declared that was enough, they would not repent and accept Jesus as their Messiah. He was not going to allow this to continue any further and they would indeed be made desolate for the next 2000 years.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When you are saying temple - you are inferring the temple sanctuary building that was divided into two chambers, separated by thick heavy curtain.

which is exactly where we are told the abomination Thats makes desolate will happen.

Inside the temple sanctuary was the two chambers - one called the holy place and the other where the ark of the covenant was placed, the most holy place.

But the entire temple complex is also considered the holy place, because in Daniel 11:45, the temple mount was referred to as...

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Satan is going to indwell the abomination of desolation statue image that the false prophet will have made in Revelation 13:14-15.

I am not sure where you get this, But I can not agree.. This happens after the man of sin reveals who he is. And after the people of Jerusalem run because they have seen the abomination of desolation spoken of by Jesus

For Satan to exposed for the the kings of the earth, and all them present that day, to see at Jesus's return - the abomination of desolation statue image must be out in the open - not inside a building.

Your trying to make 2 different objects 1 object, I can not do this

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

The statue image is going to go up in flames and turned to ashes - and there will be Satan on the temple mount for everyone present to see that day.

Again, I can not make these two objects the same.

The image comes after the antichrist reveals who he is. And he does this only when he placed an idol in THE Holy place of the temple.

the world will see it. And if they have been listening to God, they will run (those in Judea).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The abomination that causes the complete desolation of the Jews with their God for the next 2000 years was their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah. Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 is spoken by Jesus and He is telling His disciples that when you see the AOD standing or where it ought not be standing..... Jesus is telling them they will indeed see this abomination take place. They should look to the Book of Daniel to understand what that means.... Is Jesus directing us back to 9:27 - and on the wing of abomination, shall be one who makes desolate?

This certainly is not an end time event and it certainly can not mean the destruction of or defilement of any physical structure, Temple, Sanctuary etc. God had already shown us the complete destruction of everything by the Babyloinians.... and after the cross, the Temple, the Sanctuary, the 4 Spring feast days, the offerings and sacrifices, etc., which were a "type and shadow" of things to come have now been fulfilled by the Messiah. They are no longer needed within His plan of salvation. In fact, God would allow the Jews to continue worshipping in their Temple, and continue their sacrifices and offerings for another 40 years after the cross - this was another symbolic 40 years in the desert. They would continue but it was all meaningless since the Messiah had indeed come and they rejected Him. After those 40 years, God declared that was enough, they would not repent and accept Jesus as their Messiah. He was not going to allow this to continue any further and they would indeed be made desolate for the next 2000 years.

Not sure where you get your info. But this is so far out in left field. It does not even fit what scripture says.

 

[CTK]

lol. This is an abomination to God.

Not an abomination that makes a holy place in the wing of a temple desolate. And it is the same greek word.

An idol. Detestable thing, anhorance, something that makes the person or place unclean




But thats not an abomination that causes desolation, standing in the holy place.

Still does not prove your point

An abomination that causes desolation is an idol, unclean thing, something filthy which renders the holy place of a temple unclean. And causes sacrifice and burnt offering to cease because of the desolation

I agree with you regarding your definition of an unclean thing - and abomination... I responded to your comment in #247... certainly God looked at Jesus on the cross and unclean....

 

[CTK]

Not sure where you get your info. But this is so far out in left field. It does not even fit what scripture says.

Sorry, it does speak to the cross. Did Jesus tell them they would see the AOD standing..... meaning they would be alive to see this... it is not an end time event and doesn't tie into to Daniel 9:27? If not, tell me why not just that you do not accept it...

 

[Douggg]

Again, I can not make these two objects the same.

The image comes after the antichrist reveals who he is. And he does this only when he placed an idol in THE Holy place of the temple.

The Antichrist going into the temple sanctuary building, into the most holy chamber, sitting claiming to have achieved God-hood will be the transgression of desolation, not the abomination of desolation.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

The transgression of desolation will be an act of transgression against the Mt. Sinai covenant to worship the One True God.

Differently, the abomination of desolation will be a statue image set up on the temple mount.

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The transgression of desolation act will get the Antichrist killed, assassinated.

Then, after his soul in hell, for a couple days, God returns his soul back to his body - at which time he become the beast.

Come back to life, the false prophet has the statue image made of him (the beast) and has it set up on the temple mount out in the open - the abomination of desolation - and the Jews in Judea seeing it, will begin fleeing to the mountains.

 

[covenantee]

This certainly is not an end time event and it certainly can not mean the destruction of or defilement of any physical structure, Temple, Sanctuary etc

You are correct that it is certainly not an end time event.

However, the AOD armies physically destroyed Jerusalem, which included the temple/sanctuary.

 

[Douggg]

The abomination that causes the complete desolation of the Jews with their God for the next 2000 years was their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah.

Daniel 12:11 says the abomination that makes desolate will be "set up".

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

 

[CTK]

You are correct that it is certainly not an end time event.

However, the AOD armies physically destroyed Jerusalem, which included the temple/sanctuary.

I believe the people of the prince who is to come destroys the city in 70 AD... I am not sure I understand what the AOD armies mean. The AOD is or is not the act that causes the desolation ... and the destruction in 70 AD are from pagan Rome.

 

[CTK]

Daniel 12:11 says the abomination that makes desolate will be "set up".

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Dougg, I have already given you a very detailed interpretation of this... if you do not agree with it then please provide your reasoning for your disagreement... that is no problem. But to just come back with the same comment without any support - it really it just you saying so... sorry, but define the two different time periods that account for the 2300 days, link that to the purpose of the 2300 days period. Who does it apply to and why... what is God revealing to us with this unbelievable prophecy.... thanks.

 

[covenantee]

I believe the people of the prince who is to come destroys the city in 70 AD... I am not sure I understand what the AOD armies mean. The AOD is or is not the act that causes the desolation ... and the destruction in 70 AD are from pagan Rome.

The AOD was an entity; the armies. (Luke 21:20)

They were an abomination to the monotheistic Jews because of the pagan idolatrous blasphemous ensigns which they worshiped and carried in battle.

They were a desolation because they physically desolated Jerusalem.

 

[CTK]

The AOD was an entity; the armies. (Luke 21:20)

They were an abomination to the monotheistic Jews because of the pagan idolatrous blasphemous ensigns which they worshiped and carried in battle.

They were a desolation because they physically desolated Jerusalem.

I did not realize we were so far apart on what is the AOD... but that is okay. But once again, Jesus mentioned to His disciples to look who is standing in the holy place (Matthew), or is standing where he should not be (Mark)... that is a man standing there AND they will soon come to the time of the cross when they will literally see this take place. And also, once again, the Gospels are speaking about the Messiah and identifying just who He was to two very different audiences - the Jews and the Gentile... this can not be linked to a physcial army... And further, Jesus Himself is linking this definition or event directly back to Daniel 9:27... on the wing of the abomination --- desolation....

That is only referring to the cross... the most abominable event in the history of mankind... Jesus was indeed see by God on the cross as unclean when He took on the sin of the world.....

But everyone has their own interpretations and that is what makes things interesting... as long as people are willing to provide their reasoning for their interpretations as opposed to just crying out... your wrong or I don't agree or things along thaose lines. No one learns anything from those kinds of responses.

 

[covenantee]

this can not be linked to a physcial army

Luke (via Holy Spirit inspiration) linked it.

 

[CTK]

Luke (via Holy Spirit inspiration) linked it.

does Luke negete that AOD is the cross or the cause of the desolation? Does it negete the connection to Daniel with Matthew and Mark?
Do you believe the physical destruction of the city, the Temple is the cause of the desolation? The Babylonians had already completely destroyed everything once... the 70 AD destruction of the physical elements can not compare to the spiritual desolation the Lord would impose on His people for rejecting and crucifying Him... and He has indeed become desolate with His people for the time of the Gentiles...

The rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah would result in the destruction of the physical elements that were restored after Babylon., but in 9:27, it is Gabriel telling us "on the wing of the abomination.....in other words, it is the abominable act that will cause the destruction... the fact that God would use the Roman army as his hand against the people is no different that when He used the Babylonians to do away with the Assyrians, the Medes-Persians that would to away with the Babylonians, the Greeks who would not only do away with the Persians but also all of the nations that mistreated the Jews prior to their exile.... God will indeed use whomever He will ... but they are the sword not the cause for using the sword.

 

[Earburner]

lol. This is an abomination to God.

Not an abomination that makes a holy place in the wing of a temple desolate. And it is the same greek word.

An idol. Detestable thing, anhorance, something that makes the person or place unclean




But thats not an abomination that causes desolation, standing in the holy place.

Still does not prove your point

An abomination that causes desolation is an idol, unclean thing, something filthy which renders the holy place of a temple unclean. And causes sacrifice and burnt offering to cease because of the desolation

Anyone can get a rigid, literal interpretation of words from Strongs etc., but the understanding of what God teaches, is going to come from His Holy Spirit. (all of 1 Cor. 2), and not by the wisdom of men!!

Now, this thread is ripping along hot and heavy, but apparently to no avail, even though everyone can support their stand with scripture. However there is one facet about prophetic scripture that none here are open minded about, and that is typology.
Once a prophecy has been fulfilled, it cannot be fulfilled again. But,... it can be used in typology.

Jesus did that a number of times. One example is His useage of Jonah and the whale. Though some won't understand right away, that event was definitely only about Jonah. However, Jesus used it in typology to point to Himself, in comparison of Jonah being 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale, and Jesus Himself being 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. Please see Mat. 12:39-41.

The same applies to "THE abomination that maketh desolate" in Daniel, of which was fulfilled by king Antiochus Epiphanes lV, of the Seleucid kingdom, during the Grecian Empire.
Jesus used that event also, to point to Himself. Please see John 2:18-21.

 

[Douggg]

The same applies to "the abomination that maketh desolate" in Daniel, of which was fulfilled by king Antiochus Epiphanes lV, of the Seleucid kingdom, in the Grecian Empire.
Jesus used that event to point to Himself also.

Antiochus had a statue of Zeus placed in the temple. How does that pertain to Jesus as a typology ?

Fulfilled, Daniel 11:31, the Antiochus event.

Unfulfilled, Daniel 11:36 thru Daniel 12:13 is time of the end. Daniel 11:35 the transition verse to the time of the end.

Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation set up is time of the end.

 

[Keraz]

Not sure where you get your info. But this is so far out in left field. It does not even fit what scripture says.

This kind of belief is very prevalent.
Like Amill and the fable of a rapture to heaven, now added to by the unscriptural idea of the Cross being the abomination of desolation. Those theories are simply at variance with plainly stated scripture. Why even consider such nonsense?

As CTK says: one has to be wrong, when 2 people have differing beliefs. But with the proliferation of ideas on what could happen in the end times, it seems that everybody has a little right, like the Way to Salvation, and a lot wrong, about what the Lord has planned for the future of His people.
This state of affairs is unfortunate but understandable, as God could not have all and sundry knowing it all.
Only after the Day of the Lords fiery wrath, the day no one knows, will people then know Gods Plans. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 32:3-4, +

 

[CTK]

This kind of belief is very prevalent.
Like Amill and the fable of a rapture to heaven, now added to by the unscriptural idea of the Cross being the abomination of desolation. Those theories are simply at variance with plainly stated scripture. Why even consider such nonsense?

As CTK says: one has to be wrong, when 2 people have differing beliefs. But with the proliferation of ideas on what could happen in the end times, it seems that everybody has a little right, like the Way to Salvation, and a lot wrong, about what the Lord has planned for the future of His people.
This state of affairs is unfortunate but understandable, as God could not have all and sundry knowing it all.
Only after the Day of the Lords fiery wrath, the day no one knows, will people then know Gods Plans. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 32:3-4, +

Hey, wait a minute my friend, don’t you want to offer and discuss your interpretations? What are your interpretations on 9:27? What is your definition of the AOD and why? Look forward to hearing from you.

 

[CTK]

Thinking that Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:31, and Matthew 24:15 were fulfilled by the Crucifixion of Jesus, is gross error and a serious misinterpretation of plainly stated scriptures.

It seems to me that people here are making desperate attempts to avoid the possibility that they will experience the trials of the end times, as is so comprehensively Prophesied throughout the Bible.
Some people are going to see it all. Many indications show how close we are now, to the Day the Lord will take action in His fiery wrath.

Knowing what will happen, is the best way to be prepared and be ready to stand firm in our faith thru it all.

Looking forward to discussing your interpretations…

 

[CTK]

This kind of belief is very prevalent.
Like Amill and the fable of a rapture to heaven, now added to by the unscriptural idea of the Cross being the abomination of desolation. Those theories are simply at variance with plainly stated scripture. Why even consider such nonsense?

As CTK says: one has to be wrong, when 2 people have differing beliefs. But with the proliferation of ideas on what could happen in the end times, it seems that everybody has a little right, like the Way to Salvation, and a lot wrong, about what the Lord has planned for the future of His people.
This state of affairs is unfortunate but understandable, as God could not have all and sundry knowing it all.
Only after the Day of the Lords fiery wrath, the day no one knows, will people then know Gods Plans. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 32:3-4, +

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