Eat my flesh, drink my blood, discerning the body and blood of Christ.

[RedFan]

1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

"Discerning the Lord's body" in a communion wafer isn't easy!

 

[Marymog]

1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Well, I can see this is a waste of time....

 

[Marymog]

"Discerning the Lord's body" in a communion wafer isn't easy!

Hey RedFan.

It is very easy IF you believe what He said: You must eat my body to have life in you. This (communion wafer as you call it) IS my body!

It appears YOU don't believe Him, so it isn't easy YOU.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"Discerning the Lord's body" in a communion wafer isn't easy!

Its impossible actually

Jesus said whoever eats will never die.. yet they eat a wafer at times weekly. and are not assured they will never die.

They eat it like the fathers ate manna, and they too will die.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Steward: Your 'answer' leaves me more questions. How does one eat from the tree of life?

John 6:53-57

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53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 6:53-57​

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53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

and how do we do this?

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Peter agreed.

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

To eat is to feed on his words. the words of eternal life. which we must believe.

whoever believes is no longer condemned, whoever does not believe is condemned already

 

[Marymog]

Its impossible actually

Jesus said whoever eats will never die.. yet they eat a wafer at times weekly. and are not assured they will never die.

They eat it like the fathers ate manna, and they too will die.

Hey EG,

Sooo good to hear from you again. Yes, He did say that. What do you think He meant when he said that? I already have my thoughts on it but I am curious about yours.

Curious Mary

EDIT: I just noticed post #26 so I will respond via it

 

[Marymog]

and how do we do this?

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Peter agreed.

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

To eat is to feed on his words. the words of eternal life. which we must believe.

whoever believes is no longer condemned, whoever does not believe is condemned already

Hey EG,

Yup, He said the flesh profits nothing. And right before that He told us that eating his flesh does profit something, eternal life. Are we to understand that Christ had just commanded his disciples to eat his flesh, and then say doing so would be pointless? Your theory....or what your men have taught you....would make Jesus a very confusing teacher. But He isn't. Let me help you out. In John 6:63 “flesh profits nothing” refers to mankind’s inclination to think using only what their natural human reason would tell them rather than what God would tell them. Thus in John 8:15–16 Jesus tells his opponents: “You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and he who sent me.” So natural human judgment, unaided by God’s grace, is unreliable; but God’s judgment is always true. Also in John 6:63, “The words I have spoken to you are spirit” does not mean “What I have just said is symbolic.” The word “spirit” is never used that way in the Bible. The line means that what Christ has said will be understood only through faith; only by the power of the Spirit and the drawing of the Father (cf. John 6:37, 44–45, 65).

No where at no time does Scripture EVER say that if we "feed on his words" we will have eternal life. It just isn't there.

So, Paul has a question for you EG. Thirty years after Jesus held up the cup and said this IS my blood and then he held up the bread, broke it, and said this IS my body Paul asked the members of the Church in Corinth, The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

What is your answer to Paul's question?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

As you already know, Jesus’ flesh and blood are not meant to be understood literally, but rather as a metaphor for spiritual nourishment and union with Him. Those who partake in Him through faith and obedience will experience eternal life and be raised up at the last day. This passage underscores the importance of believing in Jesus as the Son of God and the source of salvation. We are living this everyday.

Hey APAK,

Paul didn't take it as a metaphor: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? What is your answer to Paul's question APAK?

If you read the writings of Ignatius, a student of the Apostle John, he didn't take it as a metaphor. If you read 1,900 years of writings from The Church, they didn't take it as a metaphor.

So why, 2,000 years later, do YOU take it as a metaphor?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

John 6:53-57​

King James Version​

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Got it. By Eating his body and drinking his blood we eat from the tree of life. I for one am glad that he SHOWED us how to eat his body and drink his blood at the Last Supper: bread and wine.

Mary

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No where at no time does Scripture EVER say that if we "feed on his words" we will have eternal life. It just isn't there.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Jeremiah 15:16
Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LordGod of hosts.

 

[Marymog]

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Jeremiah 15:16
Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LordGod of hosts.

Thank you for making my point.

What you quoted doesn't say that if we "feed on his words" we will have eternal life. What you quoted isn't even close to your theory.

The word out of His mouth is that if we eat His body and drink His blood we will have eternal life. Thats it. Stop press. Don't add more words.

The word out of His mouth at the last supper is that the bread IS His body, and the wine IS His blood and that if we eat His body and drink His blood, we will have eternal life. That IS what Scripture says. That IS what Jesus said. Why have you have twisted His words?

Can you really not see how YOU or the men who are teaching you are fulfilling 2 Peter 3:16?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

What you quoted doesn't say that if we "feed on his words" we will have eternal life. What you quoted isn't even close to your theory.

The word out of His mouth is that if we eat His body and drink His blood we will have eternal life. Thats it. Stop press. Don't add more words.

The word out of His mouth at the last supper is that the bread IS His body, and the wine IS His blood and that if we eat His body and drink His blood, we will have eternal life. That IS what Scripture says. That IS what Jesus said. Why have you have twisted His words?

Can you really not see how YOU or the men who are teaching you are fulfilling 2 Peter 3:16?

1 Corinthians 10

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10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Stewardofthemystery,

I have always seen "eating the flesh of Christ" is par-taking in dying to self.
I have always seen "drinking the blood of Christ" is par-taking in the risen life of Jesus Christ. (While remembring of what he had done.)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Thanks for joining the conversation VIJ. However, I don't have a clue how what you wrote has anything to do with the topic at hand. Would you care to try again and be clearer this time?

Mary

It does (I think) have a lot to do with the topic. A member commented to you ‘Eating a wafer and drinking grape juice does not give someone eternal life.’

To which you returned ‘You believe it is a wafer and grape juice. We believe what He said: This IS my body and blood.

Why don't you believe Him? Why don't you believe Paul?’

Same with why God has no pleasure in animal sacrifices, or burnt offerings. Does God take pleasure in that one sees a wafer and grape juice. And another believes it is His body and and His blood? To me it has to do with the topic in …first …the Nature of God where He has no pleasure in animal sacrifices and burnt offerings. To me it tells of His Nature and answers the question concerning if it’s a wafer and grape juice or His body and His blood?

 

[RedFan]

Hey RedFan.

It is very easy IF you believe what He said: You must eat my body to have life in you. This (communion wafer as you call it) IS my body!

It appears YOU don't believe Him, so it isn't easy YOU.

Hi Marymog:

I think the consecrated wafer IS the body of Christ. I am just saying that "discerning" that fact from looking at it, or putting it through a chemical lab for that matter, is not easy to do! One must have faith.

Discernment from appearances is the problem I am focusing on.

 

[Marymog]

It does (I think) have a lot to do with the topic. A member commented to you ‘Eating a wafer and drinking grape juice does not give someone eternal life.’

To which you returned ‘You believe it is a wafer and grape juice. We believe what He said: This IS my body and blood.

Why don't you believe Him? Why don't you believe Paul?’

Same with why God has no pleasure in animal sacrifices, or burnt offerings. Does God take pleasure in that one sees a wafer and grape juice. And another believes it is His body and and His blood? To me it has to do with the topic in …first …the Nature of God where He has no pleasure in animal sacrifices and burnt offerings. To me it tells of His Nature and answers the question concerning if it’s a wafer and grape juice or His body and His blood?

It's not grape juice, its wine as made clear by Scripture. Stop adding to Scripture what is not there. There is no animal Sacrifice and I don't understand your theory on that.

You and every other PROTESTant on this forum that I have dealt with has not answered Paul's question: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Will you be the first to answer?

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

Hello Stewardofthemystery,

I have always seen "eating the flesh of Christ" is par-taking in dying to self.
I have always seen "drinking the blood of Christ" is par-taking in the risen life of Jesus Christ.

Scripture does not say that it is " par-taking in dying to self" or that "drinking the blood of Christ" is par-taking in the risen life of Jesus Christ. That is not in Scripture and is something you added.

 

[Marymog]

1 Corinthians 10​

King James Version​

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

You and @Eternally Grateful are truly 2 peas in a pod. You "like" what the other says but can't and haven't' answered Paul's question: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

What is your answer to Paul's question? It is not a question I have asked; it is what Paul asked. What is your answer? You are not answering Marymog, you are answering Paul.

You sit in your basement eating your Doritos, drinking your Pepsi, reading Scripture feeling righteous and at some point you have read that passage. While eating your Doritos and drinking your Pepsi I ASSUME that in your brain you answered that question from Paul. What was your answer in your brain? If you have not taken the time to answer Paul, now is the time of reconciliation. What is your answer?

Curious Mary

PS: I have a feeling you are both going to dodge Paul, but I have hope you won't.