PS95
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You absolutely do not BELIEVE HIM. YOUR faith is in 8 men in NY who should never go near the scriptures.
No idea what baptists have to do with anything.. READ THE BIBLE IN CONTEXT. Put down your stupid magazines!
Who did Christ always point to?
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No idea what baptists have to do with anything.. READ THE BIBLE IN CONTEXT. Put down your stupid magazines!
and the Word. FS101, +Deu_32:42, By Hyperbaton, the subject, "the Word," being defined by the article which is prefixed to it, can be placed at the end of two of the clauses, and in each case we are to put the stress on "the Word." FS77, +Exo_3:19, Bengel notes that "when the predicate precedes the subject, there is an epitasis (an emphatic enlargement of the subject)" as also in Joh_4:24 (New Testament Word Studies, vol. 1, p. 543). *Joh_10:30-33; +**Joh_20:28, +*Psa_45:6, +*Isa_7:14; +*Isa_9:6; Isa_40:9-11, Mat_1:23, *Rom_9:5, **Php_2:6 note. *1Ti_3:16, **Tit_2:13, *Heb_1:8-13, **2Pe_1:1 g. 1Jn_5:7; 1Jn_5:20.
was God. Not "a god," for the lack of the Greek article here does not make "God" indefinite, but determines which term ("Word" or "God") is to be the subject of the linking verb "was." Greek word order is somewhat more flexible than English, for in English statement sentences the predicate nominative always follows the linking verb. But the literal order of the Greek words here is "and God was the Word" (kai theos ēn o logos), the subject "Word" follows the verb, and the predicate nominative "God" precedes the verb, the reverse of English word order. Since this clause uses a linking verb, both the subject and the predicate nominative are in the nominative case, so case endings do not serve to identify the subject in this construction; rather, the article "the" points out the subject of the clause. Greek uses the article "the" to accomplish what English does by word order. Thus, if John had placed the article "the" before "God," the meaning would be "God was the Word;" if he had placed the article "the" before both "Word" and "God," the meaning would be convertible or reversible: it would mean equally "God was the Word," and "The Word was God," but this John did not do. By placing the article "the" before "Word," "Word" must be the subject of the linking verb "was," and the statement can only be rendered "the Word was God." Just as mistaken is the rendering "the Word was divine," for "God," lacking the article, is not thereby an adjective, or rendered qualitative when it precedes a linking verb followed by a noun which does have the article. See the note on Mat_27:54 for scholarly documentation and an explanation of this construction known technically as the "anarthrous noun." Translators and translations which choose to render this phrase "a god" or "divine," are motivated by theological, not grammatical, considerations. The phrase "a god" is particularly objectionable, because it makes Christ a lesser "god," which is polytheism, and contrary to the express declaration of Scripture elsewhere (Deu_32:39). For clearly if Christ is "a god," then he must be either a "true god" or a "false god." If "true," we assert polytheism; if "false," he is unworthy of our credence. John’s high view of Christ expressed throughout his Gospel, climaxing in the testimony of Thomas, who addressed Christ as "my Lord and my God," is asserted from this opening statement, "the Word was God." There is no legitimate basis for understanding his declaration in any lesser sense than affirming the full deity of our Savior. **Joh_5:18; +*Joh_8:35; +*Joh_8:58; +*Joh_8:59; +*Joh_10:30; +*Joh_10:33; +*%+Joh_10:34; Joh_14:7; +**Joh_20:28, +*Deu_32:39, +*Job_19:26, Isa_7:14; Isa_9:6; *Isa_43:10; **Isa_44:6, **Jer_23:5; **Jer_23:6, +*Mic_5:2, %Act_12:22; **Act_20:28, Rom_9:5, %*2Co_4:4, Eph_5:5 g. **Php_2:6 note. 2Th_1:12 g. 1Ti_3:16, **Tit_2:13 g. +*Heb_1:8, **2Pe_1:1 g. Rev_21:7.
Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13]
You sit with a problem from the get go-checkmate.
PS95
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Of course I do. Jesus was on the earth praying to God His Father. The reason you get stuck is.. Ahh yes, the Word was a god. Michael's impersonal life-force put into Mary's ovum... Michael went out of existence. When Jesus died and Michael's life force went back to Jehovah so he could re-create Michael. Jesus is dead forever- He did not rise- His body was dissolved into gases...
You deny the Son of everything. Therefore, you dont have the Father either.
You are all fouled up!
Without the Holy Spirit you know nothing in fact in regards God !
So that's the key point to understand God is it not ?
Then you need the Son or you can not see the Father !
For the Son does only the will of the Father !
Now with out the 3 one is lost in fact, for all 3 are as one in fact, you must understand all 3 are the workings of God.
The Jews OT did not know God ! they knew of him ? but they did not know him.
Jesus is the Key and without the Holy Spirit you have nothing.
Jesus said that people will not believe him and he was ok with that, as one can say things about Jesus, only because they are carnal ? but in regards the Holy Spirit you can not say anything against that in fact or you will be cursed ?
So the only reson why Jesus says he understands that a carnal person will reject such as he, is that they are carnal, period ! like what do you expect from carnal ! carnal is as carnal does. Religion does not cut it ! for you need the Holy Spirit ! for the Holy Spirit is the Key !
No one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son ! that's a fact ! and anyone who rejects that is not worthy of God in fact.
Without Jesus the first worthy Jews who were with true regards Holy Moses, they had faith in Jesus at the time ! but they only knew he was the Christ Jesus when Jesus went to Heaven and they got the message then ! So they became the first Christians in fact ! for they were worthy of God in fact ! and the rest of the Jews were lost ! for they did not have the Holy Spirit in fact and were of mans works period !
For they needed Christ Jesus so as to come to God the Father in fact ! for only then they would have Grace in fact !
One must truly be born again to recive Grace in fact ! for to recive Grace is through the Holy Spirit and Jesus is the Holy Spirit ! the two are of one in the same in fact, for they have the same function ! and Jesus has the same function as the Father in regards us.
If someone bypasses Jesus to get too God the Father, then one is serving the wrong God in fact, for if it's not in Christ Jesus it is not worthy of God in fact ! for they have another spirit ! that is not the Holy Spirit in fact ! The spirit of mans works playing as God ? It's look what we have done or we are doing ? can you not see the works ? they say Look ! but i can see past the works of Man and such as they can not fool me ! for i know of their works in fact ! for i know them by their works !
So that's the key point to understand God is it not ?
Then you need the Son or you can not see the Father !
For the Son does only the will of the Father !
Now with out the 3 one is lost in fact, for all 3 are as one in fact, you must understand all 3 are the workings of God.
The Jews OT did not know God ! they knew of him ? but they did not know him.
Jesus is the Key and without the Holy Spirit you have nothing.
Jesus said that people will not believe him and he was ok with that, as one can say things about Jesus, only because they are carnal ? but in regards the Holy Spirit you can not say anything against that in fact or you will be cursed ?
So the only reson why Jesus says he understands that a carnal person will reject such as he, is that they are carnal, period ! like what do you expect from carnal ! carnal is as carnal does. Religion does not cut it ! for you need the Holy Spirit ! for the Holy Spirit is the Key !
No one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son ! that's a fact ! and anyone who rejects that is not worthy of God in fact.
Without Jesus the first worthy Jews who were with true regards Holy Moses, they had faith in Jesus at the time ! but they only knew he was the Christ Jesus when Jesus went to Heaven and they got the message then ! So they became the first Christians in fact ! for they were worthy of God in fact ! and the rest of the Jews were lost ! for they did not have the Holy Spirit in fact and were of mans works period !
For they needed Christ Jesus so as to come to God the Father in fact ! for only then they would have Grace in fact !
One must truly be born again to recive Grace in fact ! for to recive Grace is through the Holy Spirit and Jesus is the Holy Spirit ! the two are of one in the same in fact, for they have the same function ! and Jesus has the same function as the Father in regards us.
If someone bypasses Jesus to get too God the Father, then one is serving the wrong God in fact, for if it's not in Christ Jesus it is not worthy of God in fact ! for they have another spirit ! that is not the Holy Spirit in fact ! The spirit of mans works playing as God ? It's look what we have done or we are doing ? can you not see the works ? they say Look ! but i can see past the works of Man and such as they can not fool me ! for i know of their works in fact ! for i know them by their works !
Hmnmm!
So the 3 Gods sent One of Themselves, and the One God went out of existance. When he pretended to die, He returned to the Other Two to become the Trin---- once again?
My, my you church goers are so JUDGEMENTAL and ASSUMING!
You've got to have the Ghost-God to understand the Two Others?
Very familiar with Koine Greek--I want you to give me your understanding of this verse with the Grammar and Morphology-what is pros and En?
Can you exegete this for me?
Ziggy
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2Co 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
What did God see when he created the Light?
1Co 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Jhn 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Jhn 14:20
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
And God created man in his image and in his likeness...
Jhn 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
We are the reflection of God.
1Jo 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
From the foundation of the world.
Hugs
PS95
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3 Gods- there you go again...being obtuse. You're the one with a big God and a little god.
My God is ONE.
YHWH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YHWY out of heaven.. Gen 19
YHWH can do stuff & we can't understand how. Imagine that.
You have a nice night.
PS95
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