Who did Christ always point to?

[theJW]

3 Gods- there you go again...being obtuse. You're the one with a big God and a little god.
My God is ONE.

YHWH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YHWY out of heaven.. Gen 19
YHWH can do stuff & we can't understand how. Imagine that.

You have a nice night.

No. A 'Three-in-One' God, coined b y the Catholic Church to get out of polytheism!

 

[Johann]

My interest is gone. ...
Nite Johann.

Goodnight--signing off.
God bless.
J.

 

[Johann]

No. A 'Three-in-One' God, coined b y the Catholic Church to get out of polytheism!

Give me the definition between Echad and Yachid-shouldn't be a problem. And why in the Shema Echad is used and not Yachid.

 

[theJW]

Give me the definition between Echad and Yachid-shouldn't be a problem. And why in the Shema Echad is used and not Yachid.

I don't speak Hebrew. You tell ME- and I'll double check it!

 

[Johann]

I don't speak Hebrew. You tell ME- and I'll double check it!

Done! 02:37 AM [morning] here and I need my sleep-see you later then?
Shalom Achi.
J.

 

[theJW]

Done! 02:37 AM [morning] here and I need my sleep-see you later then?
Shalom Achi.
J.

Agape, friend!

 

[Beebster]

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Himself?
The 'Holy Ghost?
Or... someone ELSE?

Jesus certainly new that his Father was greater that he.

With that said Jesus Christ most certainly is God, he's just not "his Father", but he is "our Father" make no doubt about it.

And no, he is not one part of a three part deity.

He is the "son "of God"."

Peace.

 

[ReChoired]

Who did Christ always point to?

It depends on the context and timing.

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[1] Joh_14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.​

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[2] Joh_10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.​

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[3] Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:​

 

[ReChoired]

Jesus certainly new that his Father was greater that he.

Sure, but not in nature (Zec. 13:7; Php. 2:6; Heb. 1:3). Greater doesn't mean better (morally, etc), neither does it mean superior in nature. It simply means that the Father is in a heirarchial higher position, as being the Father, and Jesus is the Son. See Exo. 20:12. See also the type: Gen_41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

Joh_14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.​

 

[theJW]

Sure, but not in nature (Zec. 13:7; Php. 2:6; Heb. 1:3). Greater doesn't mean better (morally, etc), neither does it mean superior in nature. It simply means that the Father is in a heirarchial higher position, as being the Father, and Jesus is the Son. See Exo. 20:12. See also the type: Gen_41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

Joh_14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.​

You mean that God is inferior? (heh)

 

[theJW]

You see Churchianity believes OPPOSITE of the Bible!
(And is sneaky about it!)

 

[amadeus]

I believe him when he said "You, the ONLY True God!"
Do YOU?

Joh 17:3

And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, [even] Jesus Christ.

 

[Beebster]

Sure, but not in nature (Zec. 13:7; Php. 2:6; Heb. 1:3). Greater doesn't mean better (morally, etc), neither does it mean superior in nature. It simply means that the Father is in a heirarchial higher position, as being the Father, and Jesus is the Son. See Exo. 20:12. See also the type: Gen_41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

Hello, ReChoired.

Yes, Joseph certainly is typical of Christ.

Can you explain what “only in the throne will I be greater than thou” means?

I believe it means the Father does have greater power than the Son.

Are you saying that the only thing greater is the title “Father?”

Do you not believe that “the Son” is submissive to “the Father?”

Peace.

 

[Johann]

Jesus certainly new that his Father was greater that he.

With that said Jesus Christ most certainly is God, he's just not "his Father", but he is "our Father" make no doubt about it.

And no, he is not one part of a three part deity.

He is the "son "of God"."

Peace.

This is error-and you don't even work with the Scriptures.

 

[Beebster]

This is error-and you don't even work with the Scriptures.

Well since you believe this is in error, prove the opposite. Show me that:

Jesus didn't know his Father was greater that he.

and that Jesus Christ is not God,

and that he is not our Father,

and he is not "son "of God"."

 

[Ziggy]

Equality:

Isa 40:25
To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

Isa 46:5
To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?

Jhn 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Phl 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

So prior to being found in the fashion of a man, Jesus was in the form of God.

Other translations:

NIV
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

NASB20
who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

So to me this is saying that Jesus is God in the natural form. That God became a man to show himself to us.
And as a man he showed us how we should do the Father's will through the flesh which is the same as doing in the name of Jesus after the Spirit.

Jesus is the Father in Spirit and the Son in the flesh. They are one in the same except one is spiritual and the other carnal.
And his death was carnal. And all carnal men must die, he tasted death himself for all mankind.

It definately is a hard thing to grasp.
I guess you could say it takes faith.

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