The Lords 2 anointed witnesses

[CC7799]

Zechariah chapter 4

Two witnesses are at throne of God.

Moses is believed to be translated, as well as Elijah and Enoch.

I believe Elijah and Moses are the witnesses. They appeared at Mount transfiguration together.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Moses is believed to be translated, as well as Elijah and Enoch.

I believe Elijah and Moses are the witnesses. They appeared at Mount transfiguration together.

Yeah, I heard some people who suggested Elijah and Moses as Two Witnesses who will come back to Jersualem simply becasue they appeared with Christ at the transfiguration. That is not true.

Transfiguration means Moses and Elijah appeared in glory, not as human beings, and they talked to Christ about his death, not about witnessing to people in Jerusalem. Nor is that ever even implied by any scripture anywhere. It is someone's personal idea, a private interpretation. Just as if I were to prognosticate that the two angels that came to Sodom (Genesis 19:1) are the two witnesses because they warned Lot of the coming judgment. That would be my private interpretation, an idea by simple guesswork, not something the Bible actually says.

As for the transfiguration itself, I believe that Moses and Elijah there in glory represented "the law and the prophets" that was coming to an end by Christ's completion of it on the cross. It foreshadowed a new dispensation. The Old Testament "law of Moses" and the "Prophet Elijah" looked forward to Christ, and this appearance and metamorphosis was to illustrate the end of the Old Testament dispensation, and the ushering in of the New Testament by the death of Christ. Which scripture plainly tells us is what they spoke about. Not about them being two witnesses in Jerusalem:

Luke 9:30-31

• "And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
• Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."

There is no great mystery in what state Moses and Elijah appeared in, nor of why they spoke with Christ. They were in glory and spoke concerning His coming death. Because without it, they could not appear in glory. This great spiritual portrait illustrated that the long prophesied kingdom of God was at hand, and that the old dispensation of Israel (represented by the law and the prophet) was about to come to a close. And this needed to be accomplished by Christ's death. Moses and Elijah represented this end of the law and the Prophet dispensation.

And you also need to consider the truth that Moses and Elijah are absent from the body and present with the Lord, so they will not be given the body of this death again! Have you forgotten the scripture says these two witnesses were killed, and their dead bodies lay in the street for some 3 days? If you want to take this literally, then you have problems on top of problems. First, you have a reincarnation into mortal flesh "AFTER" they appeared with Christ at the transfiguration in a glorified state. Then you have them being killed in the Middle East and their bodies left in the streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days. Even in a literalist world, that doesn't make sense. How does one appearing in Glory leave that glory to become mortal, except they are God become man as Christ? Yes, I've heard the doctrine that it must be Moses and Elijah because they didn't die? But first, who said Moses didn't die? and second, who said people must all die in the first place? Certainly not God, as we will not all die.

1st Thessaloniamns 4:15-18

• "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
• For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
• Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
• Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

There is no requirement of death, that is yet another doctrine, a private interpretation invented to account for the alleged Moses and Elijah coming back to witness. It is not something that God said.

Selah!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Zechariah chapter 4

Two witnesses are at throne of God.

Moses is believed to be translated, as well as Elijah and Enoch.

I believe Elijah and Moses are the witnesses. They appeared at Mount transfiguration together.

What do you mean "translated"? If you think Moses was resurrected and already has an immortal body, then that would contradict 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 which says that Jesus was the first to be resurrected with an immortal body.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yeah, I heard some people who suggested Elijah and Moses as Two Witnesses who will come back to Jersualem simply becasue they appeared with Christ at the transfiguration. That is not true.
Transfiguration means Moses and Elijah appeared in glory, not as human beings, and they talked to Christ about his death, not about witnessing to people in Jerusalem. Nor is that ever even implied by any scripture anywhere. It is someone's personal idea, a private interpretation. Just as if I were to prognosticate that the two angels that came to Sodom (Genesis 19:1) are the two witnesses because they warned Lot of the coming judgment. That would be my private interpretation, an idea by simple guesswork, not something the Bible actually says.

As for the transfiguration itself, I believe that Moses and Elijah there in glory represented "the law and the prophets" that was coming to an end by Christ's completion of it on the cross. It foreshadowed a new dispensation. The Old Testament "law of Moses" and the "Prophet Elijah" looked forward to Christ, and this appearance and metamorphosis was to illustrate the end of the Old Testament dispensation, and the ushering in of the New Testament by the death of Christ. Which scripture plainly tells us is what they spoke about. Not about them being two witnesses in Jerusalem:

Luke 9:30-31

• "And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
• Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."

There is no great mystery in what state Moses and Elijah appeared in, nor of why they spoke with Christ. They were in glory and spoke concerning His coming death. Because without it, they could not appear in glory. This great spiritual portrait illustrated that the long prophesied kingdom of God was at hand, and that the old dispensation of Israel (represented by the law and the prophet) was about to come to a close. And this needed to be accomplished by Christ's death. Moses and Elijah represented this end of the law and the Prophet dispensation.

And you also need to consider the truth that Moses and Elijah are absent from the body and present with the Lord, so they will not be given the body of this death again! Have you forgotten the scripture says these two witnesses were killed, and their dead bodies lay in the street for some 3 days? If you want to take this literally, then you have problems on top of problems. First, you have a reincarnation into mortal flesh "AFTER" they appeared with Christ at the transfiguration in a glorified state. Then you have them being killed in the Middle East and their bodies left in the streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days. Even in a literalist world, that doesn't make sense. How does one appearing in Glory leave that glory to become mortal, except they are God become man as Christ? Yes, I've heard the doctrine that it must be Moses and Elijah because they didn't die? But first, who said Moses didn't die? and second, who said people must all die in the first place? Certainly not God, as we will not all die.

1st Thessaloniamns 4:15-18

• "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
• For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
• Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
• Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

There is no requirement of death, that is yet another doctrine, a private interpretation invented to account for the alleged Moses and Elijah coming back to witness. It is not something that God said.

Selah!

Good post. Yes, Moses and Elijah did not represent Christian witness, they represented the old covenant law and prophets. Also, as you pointed out, Moses died. As scripture clearly teaches.

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

As you pointed out, when Moses and Eljah appeared with Jesus at His transiguration they did not appear with changed, immortal bodies. That's impossible. Only Jesus currently has an immortal body. No one else will until His coming at the last trumpet (1 Cor 15:22-23;51-52). So, Moses and Elijah's souls were alive and they must have appeared as apparitions.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Anyway, while I do think your interpretation of the two witnesses is viable, my current take on the two witnesses is a little different than what you described. But, I do see them as being symbolic, not representing two individuals, and representing the preaching of the gospel throughout the world during the symbolic 1,260 days just as you do.

So, Yes, I believe Two Witnesses are God's people in the New Testament with the power of the Spirit to preach the Gospel to the World.

You old boys have veered into the right ball park, but it's sad you're not going to get this one by wrestling the meaning out of the text alone.

There are 18 prophetic time periods in Daniel and Revelation, and none of them are symbolic. Biblically speaking, in Apocalyptic Prophecy, there is no such thing as symbolic "time". The closest variable is the one "hour" of Revelation 17:12. As you know, it's translated from the Greek "hora", it reaches back before the 60 minute hour we now know. It can also mean season, or a specific, or a designated space of time, but it's still literal time. Like Winston Churchill's "this is our finest hour. It might not have been a literal 60 minutes, but he's talking about a very real time period. You can have a thousand symbolic cattle on a thousand symbolic hills, but 1000 years are speaking to time. I hate to tell you this, but Amillennialism is an erroneous theology.

And in the case of the Two Witnesses we are blessed with, not one, but two prophetic time periods, the 1260 days, and the 3.5 days. I think I remember a guy on here not too long ago who suggested the 3.5 days were 3.5 years. I think he will probably soon be proven to be correct. There is the translation of prophetic time, day for a year, but it is still literal time. This is one of the specifications which makes Apocalyptic Prophecy unique from the other Biblical Prophecy types. Why would any theology want to erase, ignore, or deem these time periods to be symbolic?

The night cometh, when no man can work.

On top of the 1260, and 3.5 days, we also have the 1000 years of Revelation 20. Why does that matter to the Two Witnesses? Because the gravity of what these Witnesses are doing can not be realized, unless the state of the earth during the 1000 year millennium is understood. God is not going to trust the salvific ability of human instruments and methods, with a matter of this magnitude. Do you think God would trust the church, mere mankind, with the sealing of the His servants prior to the end of probation? The Gospel was already preached by man, to the ends of the earth in 2018. The night then came when no man can work. We are in the end which has come. Power was then given to the Two Witnesses, that stand before the Lord of the whole earth, they do not stand before the men of earth.

This is the prime case where price action makes for market commentary. This is when we trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. The skilled pilot flies by his instrumentation, when poor visibility makes ground flight rules inappropriate. We see through the glass dimly. Some more dimly than others. Some will shine like the brightness of the firmament forever and ever. Our price action, our charts, our instrumentation and gauges are in those 18 prophetic time periods. You must know this from Daniel 9 alone. Find me the 7 and the 62 weeks, and I will show you when to be looking for His Star in the east. Was Daniel 9 symbolic time? The Amils are trying to tackle this with one arm tied behind their back, attending a knife fight with symbolic knives. Lol. I'll take a two edged sword that cuts to the marrow. For the Word of God is alive and powerful. It's how the Bible, a seemingly inanimate article, can be laying dead in the streets now. Or how a "bill", a legislation, can be "killed" in congress.

First find WHEN the Two Witnesses are given their power, then through the process of elimination, we can have a better idea of what they are not.

The dead are judged already. But when Christ appears, the people living at that time must be either sealed by God and His angels, or have taken the mark. Winepress time for the outer court. For when He appears we will be like Him. John, by and through his written Word, has already measured the inner court. Like the old bartender says at closing time, "you might not have to go Home, but you can't stay here".

The saints then proceed with the Pauline phase of that judgement process in the Father's House with many rooms. It's the first time we, the saints, are all alive again. Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? I hope we finish this before the thousand years are up.

And the earth was without form and void.

And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,

If anyone would harm them,

That is how they are doomed to be killed.

The Bible speaks of fire.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You old boys have veered into the right ball park, but it's sad you're not going to get this one by wrestling the meaning out of the text alone.

LOL. Here we go again with another arrogant, condescending know-it-all who is here to set everyone straight.

There are 18 prophetic time periods in Daniel and Revelation, and none of them are symbolic. Biblically speaking, in Apocalyptic Prophecy, there is no such thing as symbolic "time". The closest variable is the one "hour" of Revelation 17:12. As you know, it's translated from the Greek "hora", it reaches back before the 60 minute hour we now know. It can also mean season, or a specific, or a designated space of time, but it's still literal time. Like Winston Churchill's "this is our finest hour. It might not have been a literal 60 minutes, but he's talking about a very real time period. You can have a thousand symbolic cattle on a thousand symbolic hills, but 1000 years are speaking to time. I hate to tell you this, but Amillennialism is an erroneous theology.

I don't hate to tell you this, but you are wrong.

Scripture explicitly teaches that Christ reigns now (Matthew 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6). Do you disagree?

Scripture teaches that all of the dead, saved and lost, will be raised at in the same hour on the last day (John 5:28-29, John 6:40, Acts 24:15, Daniel 12:2). Do you disagree?

Scripture teaches that all people will be judged at the same time when Jesus returns at the end of the age (Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46). Do you disagree?

Scripture teaches that Jesus took the power of death away from Satan at the cross and bound him from keeping the world in spirtual darkness the way he was able to do before that (Matthew 12:28-29, Luke 10:18, John 12:31, 1 John 3:8, Hebrews 2:14-15, Acts 26:18). Do you disagree?

Scripture teaches that all believers will be changed to have immortal bodies and all unbelievers will be destroyed on the day Christ returns (1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Revelation 19:17-18). I actually think you agree with that because it appears that you are SDA. Is that correct?

And in the case of the Two Witnesses we are blessed with, not one, but two prophetic time periods, the 1260 days, and the 3.5 days. I think I remember a guy on here not too long ago who suggested the 3.5 days were 3.5 years. I think he will probably soon be proven to be correct. There is the translation of prophetic time, day for a year, but it is still literal time. This is one of the specifications which makes Apocalyptic Prophecy unique from the other Biblical Prophecy types. Why would any theology want to erase, ignore, or deem these time periods to be symbolic?

LOL. You say the 3.5 days is actually 3.5 years but you also try to say it's not symbolic? LOL. Hilarious.

The night cometh, when no man can work.

On top of the 1260, and 3.5 days, we also have the 1000 years of Revelation 20. Why does that matter to the Two Witnesses? Because the gravity of what these Witnesses are doing can not be realized, unless the state of the earth during the 1000 year millennium is understood. God is not going to trust the salvific ability of human instruments and methods, with a matter of this magnitude. Do you think God would trust the church, mere mankind, with the sealing of the His servants prior to the end of probation? The Gospel was already preached by man, to the ends of the earth in 2018. The night then came when no man can work. We are in the end which has come. Power was then given to the Two Witnesses, that stand before the Lord of the whole earth, they do not stand before the men of earth.

This is the prime case where price action makes for market commentary. This is when we trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. The skilled pilot flies by his instrumentation, when poor visibility makes ground flight rules inappropriate. We see through the glass dimly. Some more dimly than others. Some will shine like the brightness of the firmament forever and ever. Our price action, our charts, our instrumentation and gauges are in those 18 prophetic time periods. You must know this from Daniel 9 alone. Find me the 7 and the 62 weeks, and I will show you when to be looking for His Star in the east. Was Daniel 9 symbolic time? The Amils are trying to tackle this with one arm tied behind their back, attending a knife fight with symbolic knives. Lol. I'll take a two edged sword that cuts to the marrow. For the Word of God is alive and powerful. It's how the Bible, a seemingly inanimate article, can be laying dead in the streets now. Or how a "bill", a legislation, can be "killed" in congress.

First find WHEN the Two Witnesses are given their power, then through the process of elimination, we can have a better idea of what they are not.

The dead are judged already. But when Christ appears, the people living at that time must be either sealed by God and His angels, or have taken the mark. Winepress time for the outer court. For when He appears we will be like Him. John, by and through his written Word, has already measured the inner court. Like the old bartender says at closing time, "you might not have to go Home, but you can't stay here".

The saints then proceed with the Pauline phase of that judgement process in the Father's House with many rooms. It's the first time we, the saints, are all alive again. Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? I hope we finish this before the thousand years are up.

And the earth was without form and void.

And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,

If anyone would harm them,

That is how they are doomed to be killed.

The Bible speaks of fire.

Peaceful Sabbath.

That's all Seventh-day Adventist nonsense. You are unable to explain your view in a clear and concise way, which says a lot. The SDA doctrine makes the thousand years completely pointless.

Who exactly do you believe will be the ones who number as the sand of the sea and oppose "the camp of the saints" on the earth in Revelation 20:7-9 after Satan is loosed when the thousand years ends? It's not clear from what you said.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I’m not seeking people to turn to me, I tell people to turn to Christ.

So they all say. But you have teh "new revelation" according to you, so people must turn to you if they wish to know the truth about what is written. YOu say the same as all the other cult leader wanna-bes.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

But you have teh "new revelation" according to you, so people must turn to you if they wish to know the truth about what is written. YOu say the same as all the other cult leader wanna-bes.

I didn’t say it was a “new revelation”, perhaps to those who have been taught by the doctrines of men it is new, but the Truth has always been the same. And it is hard to be a “cult leader” if no one knows who you are, and no one follows.

 

[tailgator]

Yes, I followed his train of thought, thank you for asking!

Much love!

Following my train of thought.
The two witnesses ascend into heaven in a cloud,the same hour as the great earthquake.

What kind of cloud ascends into heaven that is accompanied by an earthquake?

Revelation 11
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


I will give you a hint.The cloud is full of fire and brimstone.


Revelation 14
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:




What kind of cloud full of fire and brimstone, ascends into heaven that is accompanied by an earthquake?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

What kind of cloud ascends into heaven that is accompanied by an earthquake?

Revelation 11
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


I will give you a hint.The cloud is full of fire and brimstone.


Revelation 14
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:




What kind of cloud full of fire and brimstone, ascends into heaven that is accompanied by an earthquake?

The cloud represents the saints/angels that come with Christ when the dead in Christ are caught up meet them in the air.

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

 

[tailgator]

The cloud represents the saints/angels that come with Christ when the dead in Christ are caught up meet them in the air.

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

This is a cloud that ascends into heaven from.the earth.It departs from.the earth like a scroll being rolled together.
The departing cloud is accompanied by an earthquake.


Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.



John saw the cloud and described it and the great earthquake .
It's a very good description.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The cloud represents the saints/angels that come with Christ when the dead in Christ are caught up meet them in the air.

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Revelation 11
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

This is showing the resurrection of the dead in Christ ascending up to heaven in a cloud.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[tailgator]

Revelation 11
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

This is showing the resurrection of the dead in Christ ascending up to heaven in a cloud.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

They are definitely ascending to the presence of the lamb.


10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They are definitely ascending to the presence of the lamb.


10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Are you trying to say that you think the two witnesses "shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb"?

 

[tailgator]

Are you trying to say that you think the two witnesses "shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb"?

Mathew ,7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.



If your going to spend your life tormenting and killing other people in Jesus name,when Jesus told you to be meek and humble,then things are probably not going to go as you planned.

 

[tailgator]

Somebody been to doing what they shouldn't do and not doing what they should have when Jesus comes.
Who been doing things they shouldn't be doing?

Mathew 24

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Mathew ,7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.



If your going to spend your life tormenting and killing other people in Jesus name,when Jesus told you to be meek and humble,then things are probably not going to go as you planned.

Good grief. You couldn't be further from the truth about this if you tried. The two witnesses are obviously doing God's will. Do you not know that God commanded His people to kill His enemies on multiple occasions in the Old Testament times? If God wants to use His people to do His bidding, what is that to you? Who are you to tell Jesus/God what to command His people to do? Do you not understand that killing, in and of itself, is not sin? Killing, if not ordained by God, is sin. God Himself has killed many people, including all but 8 people in the world in Noah's day. Did God sin by doing so? No, of course not. So, who are you to condemn people for merely doing what God commands them to do?

It's all symbolic, anyway. It's not even talking about them literally killing people. But, if God told them to, they would be obeying God, so it's not sin. I've never seen anyone try to say the two witnesses would end up in the lake of fire. This is a new one. Total nonsense.

 

[tailgator]

Good grief. You couldn't be further from the truth about this if you tried. The two witnesses are obviously doing God's will. Do you not know that God commanded His people to kill His enemies on multiple occasions in the Old Testament times? If God wants to use His people to do His bidding, what is that to you? Who are you to tell Jesus/God what to command His people to do? Do you not understand that killing, in and of itself, is not sin? Killing, if not ordained by God, is sin. God Himself has killed many people, including all but 8 people in the world in Noah's day. Did God sin by doing so? No, of course not. So, who are you to condemn people for merely doing what God commands them to do?

It's all symbolic, anyway. It's not even talking about them literally killing people. But, if God told them to, they would be obeying God, so it's not sin. I've never seen anyone try to say the two witnesses would end up in the lake of fire. This is a new one. Total nonsense.

Show me in the bible where their Lord Jesus Christ commands his servants to kill his enemies.

Their Lord Jesus words can be found in the New testament .The four gospels are a good source for their lords words if you are not familiar with the word of their Lord Jesus.


Here is an example of their Lords words

Mathew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

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Good grief. You couldn't be further from the truth about this if you tried. The two witnesses are obviously doing God's will. Do you not know that God commanded His people to kill His enemies on multiple occasions in the Old Testament times? If God wants to use His people to do His bidding, what is that to you? Who are you to tell Jesus/God what to command His people to do? Do you not understand that killing, in and of itself, is not sin? Killing, if not ordained by God, is sin. God Himself has killed many people, including all but 8 people in the world in Noah's day. Did God sin by doing so? No, of course not. So, who are you to condemn people for merely doing what God commands them to do?

It's all symbolic, anyway. It's not even talking about them literally killing people. But, if God told them to, they would be obeying God, so it's not sin. I've never seen anyone try to say the two witnesses would end up in the lake of fire. This is a new one. Total nonsense.

Just remember,you are the one saying Jesus wants his disciples to torment and kill other people.
This is the gospel you are preaching.

 

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Fire,fire fire
Kill kill kill

That's not the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
It's no better than the Jesus loves nukes doctrine.