Return of the prodigal angel - The Triumph of Grace

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And my encouragement is to not reduce the Bible by having a relationship with god without the boundaries established by His Inpsired Word.

You have no ability to know which of your new revelations are divine or not!

The balance in the relationship with God is this:

A relationship with god not tethered by His Word leads to hyper and pseudo spirituality.

A relationship with god thatr is just His Word alone leads to hyper legalism.

The conclusion of the matter is to know god and know He will not reveal anything in these days that will contradict His Inspired Word which has been preservered to pass down through the ages for us to judge and know the character of God and discern truth from error.

I'm encouraged by the lived out experience of a personal intimate relationship with the person, the Spirit, of Christ and His Father.

The revelation He gave me, mentioned above, is beyond the scope of the bible.

Are the revelations received by John, Paul, Daniel beyond the scope of what was documented in the 66, 73 or 81 book bibles? Of course they received more revelations than were scribed and later selected from amoung who knows how many other revelations they each received from the Spirit.

 

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Again, the Gospel of the redemption of Satan is the truth that can transform one's view of their Creators.

The knowledge of my personal redemption and being reconciled to Those who designed and made me is fantastic.

Yet compared to the redemption of the prodigal angels, and the elevation of Satan to sit on His Creators left is nothing short of incredible, wondrous, awe inspiring.

The thought of eternal, never ending torture doesn't quite conjure up the same adoration, praise, worship of God.

What do you think and believe?

 

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The conclusion of the matter is to know god and know He will not reveal anything in these days that will contradict His Inspired Word which has been preservered to pass down through the ages for us to judge and know the character of God and discern truth from error.

Just a quick question. What do YOU mean when YOU use the term, His Inspired Word?

 

[St. SteVen]

Yet compared to the redemption of the prodigal angels, and the elevation of Satan to sit on His Creators left is nothing short of incredible, wondrous, awe inspiring.

I was just thinking that Christianity has a view of Satan that erases his previous splendor in the kingdom. Imagine the new-found splendor of the restoration of all creation.

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I was just thinking that Christianity has a view of Satan that erases his previous splendor in the kingdom. Imagine the new-found splendor of the restoration of all creation.

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Absolutely. This is so exciting. To think that our Creators had a plan that spans the never ending eternity of ages. And in this They have designed, made, subjected to decay and restore all of Their creation. That's every last planet including this one.

The restored prodigal angels will participate with the faithful angels, together with us humans to undertake this grand task.

This brings so much joy when I consider Their master plan.

 

[St. SteVen]

This brings so much joy when I consider Their master plan.

One thing that the Bible shows us, is that God loves a good story with a triumphant ending.

The story the church told me is a tragedy of miserable and pointless proportions. A train wreck for humankind. A marvelous creation dashed to oblivion by a conflicted and angry deity.

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One thing that the Bible shows us, is that God loves a good story with a triumphant ending.

The story the church told me is a tragedy of miserable and pointless proportions. A train wreck for humankind. A marvelous creation dashed to oblivion by a conflicted and angry deity.

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Yes, that was the picture I was shown, the story I was told many times a week, year after year.

Isn't it so good to be liberated by hearing a new story of a merciful Creator, and been shown a new picture of a gracious Father Who accepts, redeems and excessively loves His prodigal created beings.

 

[St. SteVen]

Isn't it so good to be liberated by hearing a new story of a merciful Creator, and been shown a new picture of a gracious Father Who accepts, redeems and excessively loves His prodigal created beings.

Liberating is a good description.

I can see the person at the gas pump next to mine and smile. Because I know that they will be redeemed. I will see them again in glory.

The doctrinal alternative is to view them as someone that God probably hates. So, why should I show them any love? They're lost. I got mine. To hell with everyone else.

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[Ronald Nolette]

I'm encouraged by the lived out experience of a personal intimate relationship with the person, the Spirit, of Christ and His Father.

The revelation He gave me, mentioned above, is beyond the scope of the bible.

Are the revelations received by John, Paul, Daniel beyond the scope of what was documented in the 66, 73 or 81 book bibles? Of course they received more revelations than were scribed and later selected from amoung who knows how many other revelations they each received from the Spirit.

You are like all other wanna be cult leaders like Joseph Smith, David Karesh, Jim Jones, Charles Russell et al. You all say in some variation that the bible did not end what God had to say, you got some special revelation and people need to listen to you to find out the new things beyond the bible that He demands of people. All end badly and unless you give up these extra biblical revelations that would contradict what is the Inspired word of god, it shall end badly for you as well.

 

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You are like all other wanna be cult leaders like Joseph Smith, David Karesh, Jim Jones, Charles Russell et al.

Have we met before? You make it sound like you know me.

You all say in some variation that the bible did not end what God had to say

Who said that the bible brought an end to what God had to say? Who told you that?

you got some special revelation and people need to listen to you to find out the new things beyond the bible that He demands of people.

Did God give you some special revelation telling you that He stopped communicating with His children?

All end badly and unless you give up these extra biblical revelations that would contradict what is the Inspired word of god, it shall end badly for you as well.

I guess your response is fairly common, common throughout the life of the body of Christ.

Actually the God fearing people in Jesus's day went even further than you have. They accused this new wanna be Jewish leader as a false teacher and a prince of demons.

Then this guy Saul who was also known as Paul started a new teaching and religious practice of interacting with Gentiles, teaching that God loved the Barbarians and wanted to make His mercy and grace available to them. Why, so He could include them in His family.

The gospel of Christ is beautiful. The good news is that the blood of Christ has already redeemed ALL in the never ending ages.

 

[Jack]

Therefore, from a biblical perspective it is possible that Satan will be forgiven and restored as the ULTIMATE triumph of grace.

Not even close to being "biblical"!

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[St. SteVen]

Who said that the bible brought an end to what God had to say? Who told you that?

Reminded me of this question.
"Who told you that you were naked?" - Genesis 3:11

Did God give you some special revelation telling you that He stopped communicating with His children?

LOL
That's a great question.

The gospel of Christ is beautiful. The good news is that the blood of Christ has already redeemed ALL in the never ending ages.

Agree.
Not what the church taught in my religious upbringing. I had to discover this.

It came to a head for me when a sister-in-law told her Mom that she couldn't "believe in a God that put people in hell."
I came back with all the hell-supporting apologetics that I knew. But all my answers seemed hollow and meaningless.
The hell doctrine had always been like a fly in the ointment of church doctrine.

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[St. SteVen]

Not even close to being "biblical"!

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Let's check. Compare YLT with the Greek.

Revelation 20:10 Young's Literal Translation
and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.



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[Ronald Nolette]

Who said that the bible brought an end to what God had to say? Who told you that?

God still speaks, but He will not contradict His Inspired Word we call the bible. Nir will He redefine it.

Have we met before? You make it sound like you know me.

No, but I have met your basic type hundreds of times in my 50 years of walking with God

I guess your response is fairly common, common throughout the life of the body of Christ.

Actually the God fearing people in Jesus's day went even further than you have. They accused this new wanna be Jewish leader as a false teacher and a prince of demons.

Then this guy Saul who was also known as Paul started a new teaching and religious practice of interacting with Gentiles, teaching that God loved the Barbarians and wanted to make His mercy and grace available to them. Why, so He could include them in His family.

The gospel of Christ is beautiful. The good news is that the blood of Christ has already redeemed ALL in the never ending ages.

Paul validated his ministry and apostleship with the founders of the faith. We are now 2 millennia from our founding. God is not going to add to His word. He still speaks, but not in what I would call a canonized way. by this I mean He is no longer inspiring Scripture.

You rlast line above lets all here know that you are not receiving new revelation from god. Not ALL will be redeemed. Just the elect.
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God still speaks, but He will not contradict His Inspired Word we call the bible. Nir will He redefine it.

No, but I have met your basic type hundreds of times in my 50 years of walking with God

So you weren't with me when I received the revelation of the fantastic scene of Satan leading a mass repenting of all the prodigal angels?

Paul validated his ministry and apostleship with the founders of the faith. We are now 2 millennia from our founding. God is not going to add to His word. He still speaks, but not in what I would call a canonized way. by this I mean He is no longer inspiring Scripture.

To be honest I don't really care what people identify and agree on as inspired canonised scripture.

What i care about is when people reject the Spirit Who is commissioned by Jesus to deliver never before revealed truth. Truth that Jesus said His disciples 2000 years ago could not bear.

Another revelation He gave was that truth will be given in its right context. When we can bear it. Not before.

Eg. My heart was starting to be filled with compassion for the prodigal angels including Satan. Over a few years i began asking my Father in heaven, the sovereign Judge to have mercy on these angels who became His enemies.

After these few years where my heart and my attitude had been changed towards my enemies, God revealed the beautiful truth in a vision where i saw that Satan repented, was forgiven by his Creator and was given a throne at His left.

If someone tried to shared this truth with me 10 years ago I would've outright rejected it. Even if God Himself did, I probably would have rejected it.

God required time to prepare me for this particular truth. Therefore at the right time and context it landed in good, fertile soil prepared to receive this seed of truth.

You rlast line above lets all here know that you are not receiving new revelation from god. Not ALL will be redeemed. Just the elect.
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The elect will be saved and prepared to undertake a specific task. Redeemed from every tongue tribe people and nation to reign as kings and priests on this planet until their King has put everything under His feet.

The Spirit revealed to John that this task would be for a limited time (1,000 years) and would involve specific people (those elected and redeemed).

Some time after this takes place, those who weren't chosen for redemption previously will be prepared to repent and be forgiven, saved, redeemed, reconciled and given a new task to carry out.

The Creators doing everything for a purpose They have predetermined that has, is and will be according to Their pleasure. Oh, glory to Them for They are worthy of all praise. No wonder the 24 elders John saw cast their crowns before Them, worship them without ceasing.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So you weren't with me when I received the revelation of the fantastic scene of Satan leading a mass repenting of all the prodigal angels?

Didn't have to be! I have the Bible so I can dismiss any revelation that goes against the Words God inspired. YOu should compare your visions and revelations against Gods Word as well. that way you can learn what are from god and what are from demons or your own fallen nature.

 

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Didn't have to be! I have the Bible so I can dismiss any revelation that goes against the Words God inspired. YOu should compare your visions and revelations against Gods Word as well. that way you can learn what are from god and what are from demons or your own fallen nature.

The religious leader opposed this new revelation that Paul bought, that the God of the Jews would extend His favour to non Jews.

After all only Jesus the Christ was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel to be their Redeemer only. No one else ONLY His own. No one from another tongue, tribe, people or nation.

But then we read the revelation that Peter received of the unclean and clean animals. What, this is not what is written, taught and practices. We can have nothing to do with this man and his cultish beliefs. This is not in our scriptures! Away with this heretic, this demon influenced person.

Then this deceived guy with obvious mental illness who claims he heard voices. Voices saying, that some false messiah will redeem not just our God chosen people but from every people, nation, tongue, tribe unto OUR God.

Arent you glad these 2 guys went beyond what was written, taught and practiced way back then.

 

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Didn't have to be! I have the Bible so I can dismiss any revelation that goes against the Words God inspired. YOu should compare your visions and revelations against Gods Word as well.

What about the revelations that dont contradict what is written, but go beyond what was previously received?

that way you can learn what are from god and what are from demons or your own fallen nature.

Why haven't we learnt from history.

God said He was going to destroy Sodom/Gomorrah for their wrongdoing. God said He was going to destroy Nineveh for their evil practices. If Abraham and Job took God at His word then these cities and their inhabitants are certainly annihilated by God. No question there. Push the stop button as that's the end of the story. NO!

But we know from gaining further information (revelation) that that's definatly NOT where the story ends. Thanks be to God for this truth.

Then there's us Gentiles, barbarians, sinners. .... ALL who are in Adam who are on the broad road that leads to destruction. For all have sinned and have fallen.

Was this the end of God's story? The end of the manifestation of His endless mercy and grace?
The end. Period. NO!

And then there's those who are destined to hell and the lake of fire. The devil, his angels and those whose names aren't written in the book of life. Is this the end of God's story? The End. Period! NO!

I have more information (revelation) that reveals beyond these scenes mentioned above.

Redemption is going to be seen at its greatest when Satan and all in the lake of fire are shown mercy and will receive God's grace. This is fantastic news!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The religious leader opposed this new revelation that Paul bought, that the God of the Jews would extend His favour to non Jews.

After all only Jesus the Christ was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel to be their Redeemer only. No one else ONLY His own. No one from another tongue, tribe, people or nation.

But then we read the revelation that Peter received of the unclean and clean animals. What, this is not what is written, taught and practices. We can have nothing to do with this man and his cultish beliefs. This is not in our scriptures! Away with this heretic, this demon influenced person.

Then this deceived guy with obvious mental illness who claims he heard voices. Voices saying, that some false messiah will redeem not just our God chosen people but from every people, nation, tongue, tribe unto OUR God.

Arent you glad these 2 guys went beyond what was written, taught and practiced way back then.

Paul and Peter were charged as master builders of the church and the foundation on which the church was laid. Now that we have that foundation, we no longer need "new revelation" We have the revelation we need, it is called the bible.

You are no apostle.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What about the revelations that dont contradict what is written, but go beyond what was previously received?

Why haven't we learnt from history.

God said He was going to destroy Sodom/Gomorrah for their wrongdoing. God said He was going to destroy Nineveh for their evil practices. If Abraham and Job took God at His word then these cities and their inhabitants are certainly annihilated by God. No question there. Push the stop button as that's the end of the story. NO!

But we know from gaining further information (revelation) that that's definatly NOT where the story ends. Thanks be to God for this truth.

Then there's us Gentiles, barbarians, sinners. .... ALL who are in Adam who are on the broad road that leads to destruction. For all have sinned and have fallen.

Was this the end of God's story? The end of the manifestation of His endless mercy and grace?
The end. Period. NO!

And then there's those who are destined to hell and the lake of fire. The devil, his angels and those whose names aren't written in the book of life. Is this the end of God's story? The End. Period! NO!

I have more information (revelation) that reveals beyond these scenes mentioned above.

Redemption is going to be seen at its greatest when Satan and all in the lake of fire are shown mercy and will receive God's grace. This is fantastic news!

Well show from Gods INpired word that He gave us for doctrine, instruction, exhortation and instruction in righteousness that God is going to save all anglels and people cast into teh lake of fire and we can discuss. Other than that all we have is you saying it is true.