When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?

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Satan was bound, defeated, incapacitated, divested of power,
Only because you think he was ever given all that power.

You are wrong, because Satan never had that power ever, to have it all taken away. Satan was called the prince of this world, and the power of the air. That was not power over humans, but the ability to roam freely between heaven, earth, and sheol. None of that access changed at the first century coming of the Messiah.

Satan was always "on a leash", as you say, even back in Job's day. The only time Satan will be given any power over humans will be after the Second Coming. You know that time that post tribbers deny that Satan will have his own one world government for 42 months, after the 7th Trumpet? Those 42 months are the third woe connected to the 7th Trumpet. Revelation 11:14-15

"The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

"And the seventh angel sounded."
 

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The term "a thousand" is used in most languages in a general figurative sense to represent a large number or a large indefinite period. Certain common numbers are frequently used in Scripture as valuable symbols to represent particular divine truths or ideas; a thousand and ten thousand are two such numbers. They are employed as familiar figures to impress deep spiritual principles in a distinctly comprehendible and identifiable way. It is not necessarily the exact numerical size of the figure outlined that is important but the spiritual idea that it represents. In fact, English dictionaries recognize the indefinite nature of a thousand defining it variously as a very large number or a great number or amount. This use is very common in our daily language.

One and a thousand are brought together in a metaphorical sense in Psalm 84:9-10 to represent a similar illustrative thought as that of Deuteronomy 32:30. Using a comparable idea, although applying it to a specific measure of time, we learn, “Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.”

Comparing ‘one’ to ‘a thousand’ is common in Scripture; however, it is not simply a concept that is narrowly restricted to the subject of time, or exact time at that. This figurative statement in essence asserts that a day in the Lord’s presence is more blessed than untold ordinary ones outside of such. It in no way indicates that one (twenty-four hour) day in God’s presence exactly represents one thousand days elsewhere, such a limit would be an unfair restriction upon the meaning intended. Such a literal interpretation is at clear variance with the undoubted general usage of the phrase in Scripture and the specific import of the reading under analysis.

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 to denote the greatness of God’s providence, saying, “For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.”

Does Christ only own the cattle on one thousand hills or does he own them all? Of course there is no way that this passage suggests that Christ only owns the cattle on one thousand hills. Rather, He owns every beast on every hill, thus revealing His omnipotence. The statement reference the “thousand hills” is preceded y the introductory comment: “For every beast of the forest is mine.” This is simply presented in such a way as to express the unfathomable authority and power of the living God. It beautifully correlates with the truth expressed in 1 Corinthians 10:28, which states, “the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.”

The term “a thousand” is thus used to in some way express the nature and awesome power of Almighty God. The phrase is used to portray the Sovereignty of God and His supreme kingship over all creation. We must clearly acknowledge that the figure ‘a thousand’ is consistently and symbolically employed, throughout the Word of God, to denote an unfathomable amount or a vast period.

Even the figurative every-day statement ‘one in a thousand’ has emanated from the fountainhead of Scripture. It is found in Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 where Solomon laments, “one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.”

Solomon laments over the fact that he barely found any upright man in his travels. They were the exception rather than the rule. The thought here intended is that the man under consideration is of a particular choice character, being, as it where, the pick-of-the-bunch. The usage of the numbers one and a thousand is thus employed to represent a particular truth rather than specifically describing an accurate numerical equation.

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, “If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness.” The same two common numbers are used here in the form of a contrast to simply portray the picture of a special vessel. Again, it is not the numbers that are important but the idea they represent.

As we have already discovered in our studies, the same kind of function is repeatedly afforded to the use of the term ‘ten thousand’ as is ‘a thousand’ in Scripture. It is often used in the same context and in the same way as a symbol to represent an immense figure. Thus, the Song of Solomon 5:10 declares, “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.”

Ten thousand is here used to, in some way, portray the deep-rooted emotions that a man feels towards his sweetheart. The usage of the number ‘ten thousand’ thus indicates the idea of the deep affection of the man rather than specifically describing an exact numerical computation.

The same idea is presented in 2 Samuel 18:2-3 where David is seen preparing for battle. He tells the people, “I will surely go forth with you myself also.” To which the people responded, “Thou shalt not go forth: for if we flee away, they will not care for us; neither if half of us die, will they care for us: but now thou art worth ten thousand of us: therefore now it is better that thou succour us out of the city.”

Jesus employs the number ten thousand as a general figure in Luke 14:31 to relate the necessity of wisdom, asking, “what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with TWENTY THOUSAND?”

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, “I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.”

This passage is contrasting the infinite knowledge of God to the finite knowledge of God. This language is stating the enormous depth of God's understanding rather than limiting God to the capacity to only answer a thousand questions.

The same idea is intended in Isaiah 60:21-22, where the prophet instructs, in relation to the New Earth, “Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.”

This passage is expressed in such a manner to in some way describe the great standing, wealth and supernatural power that is found in them that are God’s. God magnifies them in such a manner that the world cannot remotely comprehend. The expressions thus indicate magnitude:

A little one = a thousand
A small one = a strong nation
Revelation 20 is not comparing this time with something else.

That alone should indicate a specific amount of time.

If you offered me a 1,000 dollar bill with Grover Cleveland's face on it, can I demand that you give me 2,000 dollars? Should we compare that specific offer with something without limitation? Satan is bound for a specific amount of time. Yet you demand God bind Satan for a longer than specified amount of time.

You are comparing Scripture that has no comparisons written in the text, out of context, to context that is comparing the use of a thousand with something else.

You are also using vague general concepts from the OT to change and interpret the specific meaning of a NT passage.
 

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Revelation 20 is not comparing this time with something else.

That alone should indicate a specific amount of time.

If you offered me a 1,000 dollar bill with Grover Cleveland's face on it, can I demand that you give me 2,000 dollars? Should we compare that specific offer with something without limitation? Satan is bound for a specific amount of time. Yet you demand God bind Satan for a longer than specified amount of time.

You are comparing Scripture that has no comparisons written in the text, out of context, to context that is comparing the use of a thousand with something else.

You are also using vague general concepts from the OT to change and interpret the specific meaning of a NT passage.
It does not say "one thousand." It say the more figurative "a thousand."
 
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Revelation 20 is not comparing this time with something else.

That alone should indicate a specific amount of time.

If you offered me a 1,000 dollar bill with Grover Cleveland's face on it, can I demand that you give me 2,000 dollars? Should we compare that specific offer with something without limitation? Satan is bound for a specific amount of time. Yet you demand God bind Satan for a longer than specified amount of time.

You are comparing Scripture that has no comparisons written in the text, out of context, to context that is comparing the use of a thousand with something else.

You are also using vague general concepts from the OT to change and interpret the specific meaning of a NT passage.
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Does God only keep His promises literally to a thousand generations? If time went on long enough and we reached the 1,001st generation, they would be out of luck because God wouldn't keep His promises to those who love Him any more at that point?

Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

Is this saying that only the cattle upon a thousand hills are God's, but the cattle on the rest of the hills are not?

Don't try to act as if verses like these can't be relevant to "a thousand years" referenced in Revelation 20. These verses show that "a thousand" is used figuratively sometimes in scripture, so there's no reason why that can't be the case in Revelation 20 as well.
 

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Interestingly, the only place outside of Revelation 20 that the term a thousand years is mentioned in the New Testament is in 2 Peter 3. There, it is significantly used in an entirely figurative sense. In this chapter, Peter is specifically addressing the cynics who live in the last days that doubt the appearing of the Lord at His Second Advent and indeed harbour the foolish notion that He will not come at all. It is in this context that he addresses these misguided doubters, saying, “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation” (2 Peter 3:3-4).
Peter does not use a thousand in a figurative sense. Why would Peter compare two figurative items? The Day of the Lord is the figurative term compared to a specific amount, a thousand years.

Peter was talking about the coming Day of the Lord. He was not talking about how long it would be until the Day of the Lord.

You don't agree with Peter that his figurative use of "day" means a thousand. You apply to the word "day" another meaning altogether.
 

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It does not say "one thousand." It say the more figurative "a thousand."
Are you figuratively reigning or literally reigning? Is Jesus a figurative being or literal? Is time figurative or literal? Why is every part of this chapter literal to you, except the length? Is a thousand dollars as literal as a thousand years?
 

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Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Does God only keep His promises literally to a thousand generations? If time went on long enough and we reached the 1,001st generation, they would be out of luck because God wouldn't keep His promises to those who love Him any more at that point?

Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

Is this saying that only the cattle upon a thousand hills are God's, but the cattle on the rest of the hills are not?

Don't try to act as if verses like these can't be relevant to "a thousand years" referenced in Revelation 20. These verses show that "a thousand" is used figuratively sometimes in scripture, so there's no reason why that can't be the case in Revelation 20 as well.
Obviously you can believe whatever pops into your head. Most people do.
 
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Are you figuratively reigning or literally reigning? Is Jesus a figurative being or literal? Is time figurative or literal? Why is every part of this chapter literal to you, except the length? Is a thousand dollars as literal as a thousand years?

LOL. Really?

Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
Does imprisonment mean immobility?
Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
Do you believe Satan has 7 literal heads and 7 literal necks (Revelation 12:3)?
Do you believe Satan has 10 literal horns poking out of his 7 literal heads (Revelation 12:3)?
 
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LOL. Really?

Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
Does imprisonment mean immobility?
Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
Do you believe Satan has 7 literal heads and 7 literal necks (Revelation 12:3)?
Do you believe Satan has 10 literal horns poking out of his 7 literal heads (Revelation 12:3)?

Good questions!
 

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Don't ever again try to teach anyone to stop using the vague OT passages to interpret the more specific NT passages either, then?
LOL! Are you a comedian for a living?

You know this scenario doesn't apply to that concept when we're just talking about the use of certain words in scripture and not concepts that were purposely made obscure in the OT and being made clear in the NT such as in Ephesians 3:1-6 which says it was a mystery in OT times that Gentile believers would be fellow heirs with Israelite believers of God's promises. Comparing what we're doing by looking at how the word "thousand" is used in scripture does not compare to things like that. LOL!
 

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Obviously you can believe whatever pops into your head. Most people do.
Well, you definitely believe a lot of random things that pop into your head, such as believing that the stars in the sky are angels. LOL!!! Keep the laughs coming. You are good for comic relief on this forum.
 

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when did he get cast out?

He has not yet. the world will know when he is, Because the word says he will be angry. and inflict his own wrath on this earth.

we have not seen anything like this yet..
 

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when did he get cast out?

He has not yet.

Wrong. Satan was indeed cast out at the Cross. Satan, a spirit of disobedience of men, was cast out of God's congregation so that He can build a church! Selah
the world will know when he is, Because the word says he will be angry. and inflict his own wrath on this earth.

Please read the Scripture again:

Rev 12:12
(12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The earth and sea are symbolic of the world. Just as the ships are symbolic of the Church in the world (sea) or as when Jesus said, I will make you fishers of men. The fish were men in the sea (world). Get it? Our job as Christians is to go fishing for them. Where? Earth and the Sea! By no stretch of the imagination was God talking about literal fish or sea creatures when He said "Woe unto the inhibitors of the sea". Again, the inhabitors of the sea are a symbolic term for peoples of the world. The Devil is cast out of the Kingdom of heaven, and he has great wrath, and it's woe unto those messengers cast out with him to inhabit the sea/earth (world). For they have been "cut off" and will perish in the earth and in the sea. Though Satan is bound for the kingdom of Heaven's sake, for the world, he goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour (1st peter 5:8). The two third (2/3) have been cut off, one third (1/3rd) has been brought through the fire and purified. Satan knows the time is short. The wrath of satan is revealed in those cut off to inhabit the earth. Woe unto those people, for they will die in their sins. This symbolism can be seen in passages such as Matthew chapter 8 as Jesus comes upon "2" men possessed with devils and heals them (They are illustrative of the church before we are saved). And we read:

Matthew 8:29-31
  • "And, behold, they cried out, saying, what have we to do with thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

  • and there was a good way off from them a herd of many swine feeding. So the Devils besought Him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

  • and He said unto them, Go, and when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine; and behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters."
A careful demonstration of what happens when Satan is cast out. It is a spiritual picture. It's Glorious for the two men who are set free, but it's woe to those of the swine of the earth who he is allowed to go into. Swine and Dogs are symbolic of those MEN opposed to the gospel. Remember in the scripture where Christ said, "Cast not your pearls before swine". Woe unto these, because Satan inhabits them with wrath, and they perish in the sea. And note that the devils say to Jesus in Matthew 8:29, "Have you come to torment us before the time?" You see, they know what time it is. This is what Revelation 12:12 is illustrating when it says Satan knows that he hath but a short time, and it's woe to the inhabitors of the sea.


we have not seen anything like this yet..

Because you missed the point Christ was talking about.
 

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when did he get cast out?
Around the time Christ's death and resurrection. He ascended to heaven shortly after that and Satan had to be cast out before Jesus ascended there since there was no place for him there with Jesus there. It indicates that Satan accused believers before God in heaven day and night before being cast out. What does he have to accuse us of now that our sins have been covered by the blood of Christ?

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

Who will bring any charge/accusation against those whom God has chosen? No one. Including Satan. He has been cast out of heaven long ago and cannot make any accusations against believers anymore. He can't accuse believers of sins that have been forgiven.

He has not yet. the world will know when he is, Because the word says he will be angry. and inflict his own wrath on this earth.

we have not seen anything like this yet..
Yeah, because there hasn't been hardly any persecution in the world for the past almost 2,000 years. Just ask Stephen. And the thousands of Christians who are persecuted in different places around the world every day. I'm sure they will agree with you about this....or maybe not.

Paul was obviously not in his right mind when he said the following, right?

2 Timothy 3:10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

Peter obviously was just imagining things when he said the following, right?

1 Peter 5:8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
 

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Wrong. Satan was indeed cast out at the Cross. Satan, a spirit of disobedience of men, was cast out of God's congregation so that He can build a church! Selah
um wrong

He is at the throne accusing the brethren till this day.
Please read the Scripture again:
I have, and I can not come to what you see
Rev 12:12
(12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
This proves he has not been cast out yet A short time.. Your talking 2000 years..
The earth and sea are symbolic of the world. Just as the ships are symbolic of the Church in the world (sea) or as when Jesus said, I will make you fishers of men. The fish were men in the sea (world). Get it? Our job as Christians is to go fishing for them. Where? Earth and the Sea! By no stretch of the imagination was God talking about literal fish or sea creatures when He said "Woe unto the inhibitors of the sea". Again, the inhabitors of the sea are a symbolic term for peoples of the world. The Devil is cast out of the Kingdom of heaven, and he has great wrath, and it's woe unto those messengers cast out with him to inhabit the sea/earth (world). For they have been "cut off" and will perish in the earth and in the sea. Though Satan is bound for the kingdom of Heaven's sake, for the world, he goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour (1st peter 5:8). The two third (2/3) have been cut off, one third (1/3rd) has been brought through the fire and purified. Satan knows the time is short. The wrath of satan is revealed in those cut off to inhabit the earth. Woe unto those people, for they will die in their sins. This symbolism can be seen in passages such as Matthew chapter 8 as Jesus comes upon "2" men possessed with devils and heals them (They are illustrative of the church before we are saved). And we read:

Matthew 8:29-31
  • "And, behold, they cried out, saying, what have we to do with thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

  • and there was a good way off from them a herd of many swine feeding. So the Devils besought Him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

  • and He said unto them, Go, and when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine; and behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters."
A careful demonstration of what happens when Satan is cast out. It is a spiritual picture. It's Glorious for the two men who are set free, but it's woe to those of the swine of the earth who he is allowed to go into. Swine and Dogs are symbolic of those MEN opposed to the gospel. Remember in the scripture where Christ said, "Cast not your pearls before swine". Woe unto these, because Satan inhabits them with wrath, and they perish in the sea. And note that the devils say to Jesus in Matthew 8:29, "Have you come to torment us before the time?" You see, they know what time it is. This is what Revelation 12:12 is illustrating when it says Satan knows that he hath but a short time, and it's woe to the inhabitors of the sea.




Because you missed the point Christ was talking about.
I got the point clearly.

And I can not see it your way
 

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He is at the throne accusing the brethren till this day.

Is that what you think? LOL. Sorry, according to Scripture, you are wrong. How? Read carefully:

Rev 12:9-10
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

How can Christians obtain salvation if Satan has not yet been cast out and is still sitting on his throne, accusing the brethren? Your beliefs lack biblical sense. It's your false doctrine that blinds you!


I have, and I can not come to what you see

And yet, you have not refuted anything I said biblically." refuted anything I said biblically."

This proves he has not been cast out yet A short time.. Your talking 2000 years..

No it does not. Per Revelation 12 above, if Satan, our accuser, has not cast out at the Cross, we are not saved today, nor any Christians since Pentecost! This is why Satan had to be bound, cast out, and restrained from deceiving FIRST before Christ could establish His Kingdom through the church so salvation could come! Duh!

I got the point clearly.

Doubtfully!

And I can not see it your way

In other words, you are spiritually blind to Revelation 12:9-10.
 
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LOL. Really?

Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
Does imprisonment mean immobility?
Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
Do you believe Satan has 7 literal heads and 7 literal necks (Revelation 12:3)?
Do you believe Satan has 10 literal horns poking out of his 7 literal heads (Revelation 12:3)?
Where is "minions found in Scripture? Could you at least address Scripture?

If the length of your reign with Christ is figurative, then so is your reign. It is not literal, but in thought only.

You are not reigning with Christ on the earth. But after physical death, you are seated in heavenly places in your figurative state, as you deny there is a literal application to Scripture.

John is describing a literal event with symbolism. You then say there is no literal event, but the symbolism is figurative of other figurative ideas. Ideas that you then insert into Scripture of your own imagination.
 

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LOL! Are you a comedian for a living?

You know this scenario doesn't apply to that concept when we're just talking about the use of certain words in scripture and not concepts that were purposely made obscure in the OT and being made clear in the NT such as in Ephesians 3:1-6 which says it was a mystery in OT times that Gentile believers would be fellow heirs with Israelite believers of God's promises. Comparing what we're doing by looking at how the word "thousand" is used in scripture does not compare to things like that. LOL!
The Day of the Lord was obscure in the OT. They did not Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. You deny the Day of the Lord like those in the OT did, and all those who reject the clear NT teachings on the Day of the Lord.